June 2016 Meet and Run

[CrazyNorwegian]

Sounds like my kind of run. Thanks for pre running the trail. It looks doable for most 2wd with the right line and a little speed bump.

Hint for 2wd guys without locker:

If you lift a rear wheel and it starts to spin. Slowly start to engage the parking brake until it puts enough force onto the open diff to trick it into thinking both wheels are on the ground. I've gotten out of many tricky situations even with 4wd vehicles using this.

 

[85straight]

yo! put me down as a maybe, gonna try to switch work days so I can make this meet. Thanks!

+1 to the wienie list
J/k hope you can make it

 

[Mjno87]

+1 to the wienie list
J/k hope you can make it

vienna sausages ftw!

 

[Oneluv13T4R]

Sounds like my kind of run. Thanks for pre running the trail. It looks doable for most 2wd with the right line and a little speed bump.

Hint for 2wd guys without locker:

If you lift a rear wheel and it starts to spin. Slowly start to engage the parking brake until it puts enough force onto the open diff to trick it into thinking both wheels are on the ground. I've gotten out of many tricky situations even with 4wd vehicles using this.

Your the only other person that I know personally and have wheeled with who has said/known this method for wheeling. This is how I learned and is also the final reason for installing my locker when I did, cause I had no more parking brake/emergency brake left after a couple years of doing this with my rig so I installed my locker then of course since I had the rear torn apart I rebuilt my parking brake with all new components and shoes, funny thing is I did this method a couple times during the pre run to hold me in place and let my tires settle in to bump up the front tires over the next hump to help pull the rear traction forward to bite. Most E brakes go down 5-7 clicks once locked use those clicks like gears when releasing and applying the brake.
Anytime I have mentioned this to someone for them to try while wheeling or has seen me do this they always say, huh? Do what now? Like I was crazy.
The [MENTION=60694]TheSentinel[/MENTION] has seen me do this a few times when we are out wheeling to get myself out of situations or with his assistance.
It works and like I said I still do this and always will.

 

[CrazyNorwegian]

Your the only other person that I know personally and have wheeled with who has said/known this method for wheeling. This is how I learned and is also the final reason for installing my locker when I did, cause I had no more parking brake/emergency brake left after a couple years of doing this with my rig so I installed my locker then of course since I had the rear torn apart I rebuilt my parking brake with all new components and shoes, funny thing is I did this method a couple times during the pre run to hold me in place and let my tires settle in to bump up the front tires over the next hump to help pull the rear traction forward to bite. Most E brakes go down 5-7 clicks once locked use those clicks like gears when releasing and applying the brake.
Anytime I have mentioned this to someone for them to try while wheeling or has seen me do this they always say, huh? Do what now? Like I was crazy.
The [MENTION=60694]TheSentinel[/MENTION] has seen me do this a few times when we are out wheeling to get myself out of situations or with his assistance.
It works and like I said I still do this and always will.

If you have a locker, left foot braking is a perfect method of controlling speed. But yeah the parking brake thing is the best kept secret. I started wheeling 14 years ago in a 4wd pathfinder with lsd in the rear. I learn quickly once you lift a rear wheel the lsd is useless. Same thing in a 2wd. This is before we had fourms to learn from so it was learn it yourself or learn it from some random person on the trail. It's an old school thing that few people know. A-trac does pretty much the same thing but adds braking to a specific wheel.

 

[Spenny]

You can put me on the maybe/weenie/vienna sausage list

and [MENTION=119069]Mjno87[/MENTION] vienna sausage might be small, but they come 9 in a can!

 

[ChrisLe777]

Also for anyone who is unable to purchase a radio at this time to recieve it before this run PM me..I know money can be funny at times. I will order them and just get me back later. I want everyone to be able to go and have a good time, and to hear what's going on.
No body will know just me and that person/'s

Dude...youre awesome

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[ChrisLe777]

This time around we will take a vote/poll on the date either being Sat. 25th or Sun. 26th and the destination area for this months meet and run. The voting will only be open til the 9th of this month at which time whatever destination has the most votes at the end of the day, majority wins.

That will allow time to map/pre run if needed the proper trails, meeting spot, options, exiting point, camp spots for those who decide too and an estimated time frame needed to complete the run, for June's run.

1. Anza-Borrego

2. Big Bear NE Area

3. Joshua Tree (Old Dale Mining district area)

4.Meccatopia (Red Cloud, Box Canyon, Painted Canyon, and a few Most Difficult Slot Canyons)

5. Johnson Valley


Month:June
Dates: Sat. 25th or Sun. 26th

Voting: open til June 9th end of day.
Destinations: 5 options above (general areas)
Trails still needed to be determined once area is chosen by majority vote.

Note: This will be ...the last month for any of these hotter destination areas for our monthly meet and runs. July and Augest will be in the higher elevation areas.

Well the votes are in folks and it's gonna be:
Location: Big Bear NE Area
When: Saturday 25th, 2016

[MENTION=77357]85straight[/MENTION] has put together from start to finish a route for June's T4R Meet & Run in the NE Big Bear Area.

Round of Applause
And Thank You.



Current info as of 6/9/2016 [MENTION=89109]midnight[/MENTION]
JUNE MEET UP AND TRAIL RUN
The meet will be Saturday, 25th, June at 9:00am. The run will be from PIONEERTOWN to BIG BEAR LAKE
Difficulty: Easy (Green) and Moderate (Blue) trails with challenging (Black) side trails.

Organizer(s): Oneluv13T4R (Miah)
Trail Leader(s): 85Straight (Al), Oneluv13T4R (Miah), CrazyNorwegian(Andrew)

Meet Location: @ 9:00am-- we will begin the safety briefing and hit the trail by 9:15am
In PioneerTown at infamous Pappy and Harriots parking lot. From here we will take Pioneer Rd til it ends at the trail head and becomes Rimrock Rd.

Meet Location:
53688 Pioneertown Rd, Pioneertown, CA
http://https://maps.google.com/maps...ved=0ahUKEwibw4jmqZrNAhUT3GMKHWcgCYIQ_BIIJzAA


Route:
Starting out at rimrock/pioneer town north of Joshua Tree,
get onto Burns Canyon rd and head up the mountain( rated as a green circle).
The trails splits off into Smarts Ranch rd.
Take that to its end and onto hwy18 for a mile or so.
Get onto 3N61 (Jacoby canyon rd) rated as a blue square and take it to its end as it intersects 3N16 (green circle).
Head east on 3N16 and turn onto 3N32 (green circle) due north.
Just before it hits John Bull head south west onto 3N07A( blue square).
Take that onto 3N43( green circle) heading west.
Hop onto 3N10 heading south( this portion is a green circle).
Get back onto 3N16 heading east.
Then onto 2N09 due south to its end at Hwy 38 .

And some links to the offshoots, they all look pretty fun.
Tip top mountain (2N90) looks like the easiest of the 3
2N61Yhttp://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/...artbreak-ridge
2N70Yhttp://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/...ewinder-canyon
2N90http://www.trailsoffroad.com/trails/...p-top-mountain



Big Bear Area Route Map

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Communication:

CB Channel/ FMRS Chanel:
13/13.1
FRS 467.6875 PL 67.0 on simplex
HAM:
146.460 simplex

Roster:
0. [MENTION=60694]TheSentinel[/MENTION]
1 [MENTION=117408]Oneluv13T4R[/MENTION]
2. [MENTION=77357]85straight[/MENTION]
3. [MENTION=102715]CrazyNorwegian[/MENTION]
4 [MENTION=133319]MACT4R[/MENTION]
5. [MENTION=134758]SoSoRunner[/MENTION]
6. [MENTION=109205]mwray8909[/MENTION]
7. [MENTION=137418]VH3SURF[/MENTION]
8. @LMR
9. @J-S&CCoach
10 [MENTION=131270]socal-4runner[/MENTION]
11. [MENTION=1378]racepauly[/MENTION]
12. [MENTION=124821]Jahmiroquai[/MENTION]
13. [MENTION=122077]pokits[/MENTION]
14. [MENTION=84801]AKmoney[/MENTION]
15. @WFORacer
16. @QuatreCoureur
17. [MENTION=119761]RedRun85[/MENTION]
18. [MENTION=116732]ChaseRunner[/MENTION]
19. [MENTION=126185]2ndGenFlip[/MENTION]
20. @ECKO3429
21. [MENTION=54949]97FR_brad[/MENTION]
22. [MENTION=98598]Rattlesnake44[/MENTION]
23. @Sfsmedic - Tacoma Overland style
24.
25. [MENTION=112589]davester00[/MENTION]
26. [MENTION=68460]Dezert4Runner[/MENTION]
27. @1996ValenciaOwen
28.
29. [MENTION=142176]OperationRover[/MENTION]
30. [MENTION=128280]R4nnerR4nner[/MENTION]
31. [MENTION=128995]TK-422[/MENTION]

FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO, THERE IS STILL PLENTY OF TIME
Just post you would like to be added to the list or message me and I will get you added.

The "Maybe" (Weenie) List

1. [MENTION=119069]Mjno87[/MENTION] - "Vienna Sausge"
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If I have missed anyone, please PM me and I'll add you to the list. I would like to verify our numbers before heading out. If you want off the roster, let me know in a PM.

What to bring with you:
Good Attitude - This group is big...we'll need to be patient with each other
Bring food, beverages (no alcohol consumption en route please)
Spare fluids for vehicle
Recovery gear if you have it.
Recovery point front and rear (factory hook is fine)


Description: Burns Canyon Rd.

Burns Canyon Trail
Burns.jpg
Photo:
Trail Information
Other Names:
Part of:San Bernadino, ca
Trail Length:
Trail Time:18.3 miles
Terrain:3 hrs.
Off-Road Use:Limited Access
Difficulty:Easy Easy.gif
Geography
County:San Bernadino, CA
Nearest Cities:Big Bear City, CA
Map Links:Google Map
Satellite Map:Google Satellite
Special Map:Google Earth Hybrid
GPS Start:N34 11.88 W116 32.71
GPS End:N34 16.77 W116 47.78
Google Earth:2N02 Burns Canyon kmz


Road not fully recommended for 2WD trucks, although you can make it through. pretty rocky in some points (due to road being mostly dry lake bed) and high chances of finding yourself in a situation you dont want to be in. leave for high clearence or 4WD vehicles, although you are welcome to take it on with a 2WD basic truck if u desire.

From the staging area (Starting in Big Bear) there are local trails which you will have to enter to get to the main trail. The Joshua Trail is moderate, while the Vista Trail is for more experienced riders. The Pinyon Trail is the one you will want to take to enter NF 3N03, or Smarts Ranch Road. At road's entry there is a sign stating that OHVs are not allowed to the left. Stay to the right. The road is easy in spots but quite rugged in others. It is also open to street legal vehicles so watch out for oncoming (and sometimes oblivious) traffic on the narrow road.
About seven miles east of Cactus Flats the rocky trail softens and flattens out as you enter a large meadow bordered with a mixed forest of Joshua Tree, pinyon, and oak. There are trails here that make a short stay for localised hiking or riding worthwhile. Smarts Ranch Road (NF 3N03) continues its steady descent eastward for about another seven miles and, as the National Forest land ends, you will see small settlements along the road.It is in this area that the trail becomes Burns Canyon Road, or NF 2N02. To the north, Viscera Springs Road will connect you to the New Dixie Mine Trail.

Much of this final stretch is charred as the result of the fires that swept this region in August 2006. Continue through the burn zone until you reach the pavement. There are signs asking that you stay on the road and not venture into sensitive areas struggling to regrow vegetation.

If you choose to enter the trail from the direction of Yucca Valley, leave 29 Palms Highway from the center of Yucca Valley and head north on Pioneertown Road. Pioneertown was build from old movie sets established here in the 1940s. If you want to stop for a drink or meal, try Pappy and Harriet's. From Pioneertown make a turn on Rimrock Road and follow it until you reach Burns Canyon Road. Turn left. The trail begins where the pavement ends. Any OHV traffic beyond this point is illegal.
If you are coming to the area through Lucerne Valley to the north, take Highway 18 from Lucerne and head south towards Big Bear Lake.
The quickest way to get to Cactus Flats from Yucca Valley is north to Lucerne Valley on the 247, then south on the 18.


Description: Jacoby Canyon Rd.

View attachment 207197


Jacoby Canyon Coordinates: 34.314533° -116.837374° Coordinates: 34.314533° -116.837374°

Jacoby Canyon is a trail in Big Bear, California. It goes from 3N16 (Big Pine Flat Trail) on the west to highway 18 on the east.
12/09/2013: I drove this trail on 12/08/2013. It is rated as "More Difficult" but I was able to easily drive its length from Hwy 18 all the way to the main trail head off of 3N16(?) in my stock 4x4 Xterra Off-Road.
There were a couple of tight areas, but with some light work from my spotter, I was able to navigate through them with ease, and with no body damage. The trail is beautiful with a lot of turn out areas and places to stop, play and even camp if you are so inclined.
From Hwy 18, the journey is mostly uphill with only a few moderately steep downhill sections, a good opportunity to test my hill descent assist system. It started off on loose rocks, some sharp enough to possibly cause a puncture if you do not reduce the pressure in your tires. I hate changing tires on the trail so I took precaution and brought my tires down to 20psi. The vast majority of the trail can be accomplished in "4-HI", with only 2 small sections where I actually had to engage "4-LO", and it was mainly to get my tires to climb a loose rock. At no point did I have to engage my locker to get me through any obstical. There are a couple of off-camber sections that put a good lean on the vehicle, but nothing dangerous.
The scenery changed quite rapidly through the trail, from desert mountain with lots of loose rocks, Joshua trees and cacti, to pine trees and typical mountain forest settings. There is a lot of good scenery on this trail. I am inclined to come back and do some more exploring along it, and maybe even a bit of camping at some point as well.

Description: 3N07A "The Squeeze"

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3N07A - The Squeeze
Big Bear Lake, California (SanBernardino) Technical Rating: 5-7
Last Updated: 02-14-2016

Status: Open
Difficulty: Moderate
Length: 1.3 Miles
Category: Altitude, Desert, Forest, Overland, Rock, Sand, Snow Wheeling
Highest Elevation: 7,600 '
Duration: about 1 hour
Shape of Trail: Connector
Best Direction to Go: West
Connecting Trails:
3N32 - Union Flat
Nearest Town:
Big Bear Lake
Nearest Town w/ Service:
Big Bear Lake
Nearby Trails:
John Bull Gate Keeper, 3N17 - White Mountain, 3N69 – Gold Mountain, 3N93 - Holcomb Creek Trail, 3N10 – John Bull, 3N16 - Holcomb Valley, 3N32 - Union Flat
Forest Service Road: # 3N07A
Forest Service / Park District:
BLM

Map
Satellite
3N07A - The Squeeze Highlights
20150516 123840
A short trail close to John Bull, this fun little trail offers a very tight squeeze between two large rocks at the Coyote Crag rock formation. If you have a good spotter, you will likely squeeze through with no problems. If you don't, well you might loose a mirror or something worse.

Technical rating: (5-7) Moderate
Rocks frequent and large, 12" and may exceed hub height. Holes frequent or deep (12"). Shelves to 9". Mud 8" deep and may be present on uphill sections. Grades to 25 degrees and sidehill to 30 degrees. Water crossings to 18" and may have strong currents. 1-1/2 vehicles wide. 4WD required. Driver experience helpful.

Bring a lunch, we will be picnicking on the trails

Ranger Station Info:

Mountaintop Ranger District Office & Discovery Center
41374 North Shore Drive, Highway 38
Fawnskin, CA 92333
(909) 382-2790

San Bernardino National Forest Supervisor's Office: 909-382-2600

Note:

As always, I am open to all suggestions and comments.

Count me in.

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[Oneluv13T4R]

You can put me on the maybe/weenie/vienna sausage list

and [MENTION=119069]Mjno87[/MENTION] vienna sausage might be small, but they come 9 in a can!

Hahahaha..I Luv ya man!!

 

[Oneluv13T4R]

You can put me on the maybe/weenie/vienna sausage list

and [MENTION=119069]Mjno87[/MENTION] vienna sausage might be small, but they come 9 in a can!

Hey Spence,
What about Chris? Is he able to roll?

 

[TK-422]

OK I will spoil the wife a little to get her to enjoy our fun a bit. I got a mini cabin in Big Bear for two nights. Friday and Saturday. She has to work Sunday night so we will take off Sunday morning.

It makes it a little easier on me as well. I see it's still a 1 1/2 hour drive from Big Bear to Pioneer Town on the roads. It saves an hour or more from my house.

 

[J - S&C Coach]

Also for anyone who is unable to purchase a radio at this time to recieve it before this run PM me..I know money can be funny at times. I will order them and just get me back later. I want everyone to be able to go and have a good time, and to hear what's going on.
No body will know just me and that person/'s

now that good sir - is a man dedicated to having fun with the T4R - #RESPECT

 

[J - S&C Coach]

[MENTION=77357]85straight[/MENTION] Before I go any farther with this you guys must know something THIS RUN IS GONNA BE BADASS and YOU DONT WANNA MISS THIS I PROMISE. So I went and pre ran a couple of the newly added trails That [MENTION=77357]85straight[/MENTION] recently added and they are a Blast super fun Flexy,off camber, three wheel motion and the terrain is amazing the views are off the chain. I didn't want to leave I got out back to PioneerTown at 9pm started at 430 I videoed and photographed the entire couple of trails I did, which I went alone so doing all this took much longer. But had a great time probably one of the best trails I've done in a long time.
This is at the last 1/4 mile and a modest section of the trail notice how low my truck is at take off then how high I come up

thanks for making a pre-run & posting the videos! i'm looking forward to it... gonna be my last run with the crew before i'm locked down for a few months

 

[85straight]

My first truck was a 2wd tundra, I learned the ebrake trick pretty fast after getting stuck again, and again, and again. Wore the brake out in about a year haha

 

[85straight]

Also just received my ham yesterday, now to try to figure this thing out. This being my first radio it's like a foreign language to me. So lots of reading and toutube videos

 

[JD914]

With 30+ vehicles, will this run be split into separate smaller groups?


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[85straight]

Yes most definitely, even if we all decide to run the same offshoots we will be in groups of about 10 and leave 15-20 minutes between each group

 

[Dezert4Runner]

How many of you with the Baofeng's are running a CB? I finally got my CB all set up and now am wondering if it was a waste of time or if the handheld Ham radio is more for people who have no comms and are encouraged to get a Baofeng because they're cheaper than a CB setup and don't require mounting an antenna.

 

[ChaseRunner]

How many of you with the Baofeng's are running a CB? I finally got my CB all set up and now am wondering if it was a waste of time or if the handheld Ham radio is more for people who have no comms and are encouraged to get a Baofeng because they're cheaper than a CB setup and don't require mounting an antenna.

I have a CB and was wondering the same thing. Should I buy a Baofeng?

 

[CrazyNorwegian]

I have a CB and was wondering the same thing. Should I buy a Baofeng?

Absolutely buy the baofeng. It is still nice to have both. Some runs you go on will require cb, plus if your baofeng takes a dump you always have a backup form of communication. The cb with an outboard antenna will have a slightly larger range than a Handheld baofeng radio, but audio quality is much worse. I still monitor both. So if someone needs help and calls it over the cb we will be there. Most of the fun trash talking will be on the ham frequency so it will make your trip more entertaining. Also even more entertaining, if [MENTION=117408]Oneluv13T4R[/MENTION] ever gets stuck and needs to be strapped, everyone get your phones out and start recording. I hear he really likes that.