Just found out that my 4Runner does not have the correct engine oil!

T4RT

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I am about to have a FULL BLOWN FIT!!!! I purchased my 4Runner 2 weeks ago and I just found out that they didn't put Synthetic back in the TRUCK! I am trying to find out what oil weight they did put in when they did their so called 199 point inspection. HOW IN THE HECK DO YOU NOT SEE 0W20 ON THE OIL CAP!!! :mad2:

I need some feed back on how much damage if any could have been caused by the dealers screw up.

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T4RT
 
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I am about to have a FULL BLOWN FIT!!!! I purchased my 4Runner 2 weeks ago and I just found out that they didn't put Synthetic back in the TRUCK! I am trying to find out what oil weight they did put in when they did their so called 199 point inspection. HOW IN THE HECK DO YOU NOT SEE 0W20 ON THE OIL CAP!!! :mad2:

I need some feed back on how much damage if any could have been caused by the dealers screw up.

MORE TO COME!

T4RT

Well...

If they used Olive Oil, or 2-stroke Oil, or Canola Oil then you have a serious problem there.

If they used SAE Motor Oil then you do not. Just have them drain it, change the filter and refill with 0W20.

Keep Calm and Drive On.
 
damage? none. you might lose a little gas mileage, but its not like putting gas in a diesel engine or anything.
if you're really worried about it, crawl under there, drop out what they put in, and refill with 0w20. might take you 10 minutes.
 
The damage should be minimal so you can calm down. When's the last time you heard of wrong oil destroying someone's engine? You can never really tell what the dealer uses in your oil changes anyway which is why DIY is the safest bet.
 
No worries. As long as the viscosity is comparable (synthetic or dino) you will not have any damage whatsoever. Just have them drain and re fill with synthetic.
 
No worries. As long as the viscosity is comparable (synthetic or dino) you will not have any damage whatsoever. Just have them drain and re fill with synthetic.

Thanks guys. I am hoping they put in 5-20 conventional. My brother found out that the wrong engine oil was used in his honda causing the rings to become warn. He has to get rid of it at 70k miles. Ate two quarts of oil every 400 miles.

My wife has driven less than 400 miles since we purchased the 4Runner. She has hogged it and has kept close to the house.

Heading to the dealership now. Will update in a few hours.
 
well from what I remember, any 0wXX is synthetic but there is a rare brand that does 0wXX in conventional I think.

unless your paperwork shows they put in conventional 5wXX (btw 5wXX can be syn) I wouldn't worry about 1 time use of 5wXX.

unless your in cold climates that the 0wXX would be an advantage, otherwise I would stick with 5wXX for warmer climates.

the first number is mostly for starting in colder climates, once the engine is up to temp since they are both w20 they are operating at the same level.

that is just my general knowledge, enough to be dangerous.
 
"She's about to have a BF!"

The original post reminded me of this movie.



Anyways, I'd also change the oil out to synthetic and then would have Toyota reimburse me for the cost. No less...

If you take your truck to the dealer to have it changed, make sure they at least throw in another voucher for a free oil change.
 
The damage should be minimal so you can calm down. When's the last time you heard of wrong oil destroying someone's engine? You can never really tell what the dealer uses in your oil changes anyway which is why DIY is the safest bet.

Actually it can cause a lot of damage in other vehicles. In fact I've had it cause drivability issues in Mercedes because it screwed up the VVTi function, luckily an oil change fixed it. I had a couple Chrysler 300's have poor performance and misfires because of the wrong oil being used; a good friend of mine (who's a diagnostic technician) actually had one that had the wrong oil in it and the cylinder deactivation wouldn't function properly so cylinder 1 was just a dead hole. They ended up doing an oil change on a hunch before they recommended a $400 cylinder deactivation solenoid repair (imagine if it was a less informed shop that would have just gone with the initial knee-jerk diagnostics, that's an expensive "fix" since it wouldn't have really fixed the vehicle.) Oil, transmission fluid, and coolant is not the same "throw in whatever" stuff it used to be 20-30years ago, its far more complicated than most people realize. Typically an oil change fixes the issue, but not always if its very much the wrong oil for the vehicle; thankfully Toyota's seem to be pretty forgiving.

Anyways, back to Toyota; unlike some manufactures, Toyota is very lax on oil requirements. You just need to meet the SAE viscosity and API ratings and you're good to go. Chances are the only damage you sustained was in performance and fuel economy as the VVTi systems are somewhat sensitive to oil volume, but it shouldn't have done much damage (even less of an issue if it was 5w-20 as I believe that's an alternative oil option for severe temperatures)

Just get the oil changed to the proper 0w-20 oil and you should be fine.
 
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He probably found out when he read the receip.

...listed on little oil change reminder window sticker
or
listed the oil type on an invoice

After waiting two weeks, I finally got the dealership to provide me with the list of repairs they completed during their 99 point inspection that "I" had to pay for when I purchased the vehicle. When I asked what oil was put in it, they said they would look into it. When the salesman saw this (see below) he called me to bring it in to have the oil changed.



* Disclaimer* (I have learned my lesson about going to a dealership other than the maker of the vehicle) - I purchased the 4Runner from a local Jeep dealer who had someone trade in their 4Runner for a 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee - Just wanted to get that out of the way. *FLAME SUIT IS ON*

I know people have been wondering how a Toyota dealership put the wrong oil in... Well they didn't. The Jeep tech who didn't do their due diligence by reading the OIL CAP screwed it up. I use to think that these guys who claim to be ASE Certified Techs should understand how to read and understand directions and repair a vehicle correctly. I was wrong. They were about putting in whatever oil they had in house that would allow the truck to run. Keep Reading.. it gets better.

So I contact the dealership and after several calls between the salesman and myself they tell me to bring the 4Runner in today to get the oil changed. I even took time to call the service guy who was helping me to tell them the 4Runner takes a special filter and it comes with two rubber o-rings and an o-ring extraction tool. The service guy says "Hey Thanks! I will get it ordered and have the part here before you arrive! Cool. I am thinking they will fix the problem quickly...or so I thought.

I get to the dealership service bay and I check in. The service lady apologies for the mix up and says that they will change the oil and put Synthetic back in. Great.. No problem.

I walk out to see the two techs standing under the 4Runner staring at it like they were lost! I walk over and they ask, "where the heck is the filter?" I walked under the lift with them and showed them where to look for it. "How do you get to it?" Man...I was thinking they should have a way to find this out. I was wrong. They didn't. I pulled out the cell phone and showed them [MENTION=65614]Antman[/MENTION]'s write up (THANKS ANTMAN!) about how to change your oil. Amazing! The lead tech thanked me for teaching him something. 20 minutes later, we had access to the filter. I thought we were good...Almost...





The service lady calls me back to the main desk to do some paper work and I walk back into the bay to see the techs are backing off the filter and then SPLASH -OIL EVERYWHERE! I hear one tech say, "THIS ISN'T EASY... WHAT A MESS!" I looked at him and let him know that he didn't drain the oil from the filter first. "What are you talking about?" he says. I point to the plastic puller and the second o-ring. "Is that what that is for? I have seen this one time before but I didn't know what to do with it! THANKS!" I even had to show him how to insert the puller to remove the other old o-ring. I was just glad I was there.



So when they go to put oil back in the 4Runner. The tech goes over to the Synthetic barrel and starts pumping. I see no indication of what the oil is he is pumping so I ask what type of oil it was he was pumping. "Synthetic... just like you asked for." So immediately asked if it is 0W-20. "I have no idea. It is Synthetic. That is all I can tell you." HERE WE GO AGAIN! SERIOUSLY?? You just drained my oil to replace it with 0W-20 and you are about to put in some unknown type of synthetic back in my truck?? So we stopped to get the Service lady involved again. By this time it is 6:45pm and everyone had left to go home except for these two techs and the service lady. Service lady confirms that the oil is a 5w-20 Blend and that they needed to use 0w-20 just like the cap said on the truck. Cool issues resolved right?? NOPE.....GUESS WHAT? The parts department who had the 0w-20 is locked up and everyone went home. Truck is ready to have oil added... but now we have no OIL! I was about to suggest they give me a loaner and I would run up and get my own oil but the parts lady called a few more people. Four phone calls later, someone answered. Call the dealership manger and let them know. So we did.

I few more phone calls to the dealership manager by the service lady, we get the go ahead to enter the parts department and get the oil we needed. Next thing I know the tech jumps the parts counter, setting off the alarm and grabs a case of 0W-20 oil for my truck. As we are filling up the truck various dealer support staff are running to the Parts department to find out what was going on.

Talk about an interesting evening. They fill up the truck, back it out and I roll out. The entire time the alarm is sounding and no one on the dealership lot is able to reset it and turn it off. FUN TIMES!

I am just glad that is all behind me now! Thanks again to everyone who posted!
 
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To be fair many guys at our dealership never use the little plastic drain tube, something about it taking too damn long to do vs. just spraying it with parts wash.

Also, I am laughing at the Jeep techs because they have engines that use cartridge filters so they should be already versed on how this works.

I'd vet the Toyota Dealership you decide to go to, because while I'd love to blame this on them clueless Jeep Cavemen; this is somewhat typical of the dealership experience. Good Dealers are few and far between. Hell even independent shops are clueless, many places don't even understand the importance of proper fluid specifications and such. So as always, make sure you research where ever you take your vehicle to get serviced, I am glad you got it figured out, even though it sounded like way too much damn trouble.
 
LOL at your experience at the jeep dealership.

Hope you didn't get rude to these guys, first time I did the oil change on my truck, I was like ''???'' and I am mechanically inclined. Those guys are not superhumans :)

But that was a funny story there!
 
Another reason why you should change your own oil.

It is the most important maintenance task you'll ever do to your vehicle and it must be done numerous times during the life of your car in spite of reduced oil change frequency.

All it takes is one screw up and you can lose an engine and I'm not talking about someone using the wrong viscosity or refilling with conventional vs. synthetic. That is not going to kill a 1GR-FE.
 
Hope you didn't get rude to these guys, ....

Absolutely not! You get more bees with honey than you do vinegar! I was cool the entire time. I was very surprised they even did what I asked. To break into the parts area and set off an alarm to get oil for my truck.... man...those guys went the extra mile in my opinion. As far as my free oil changes for life is concerned at the Jeep dealership...... well I don't think I will be going back. I do my own work but it was the principle of the entire situation that had me contact them to do the work. I paid a fair price for my 4Runner and I expect for them to be honest and make right what is wrong. They did so I am happy.

I was just glad I did so much research before I purchased my Runner to have the knowledge and the ability (with my phone) to show them the write up to help them out. I think I surprised them when I said "Guys.. Check this out! Instructions with pictures!" I had them smiling. I might be laughed at tomorrow morning but hey.. I got what I wanted and I am good until the next oil change! :thumb3:
 
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