Legality of a Projector Retrofit

well that was tiring reading through all of that. Mostly misinformation, myths, and people talking about something they don't know about 100%.

I have done retros for about 2 years now on all different kinds of headlights. That is my experience and where my knowledge is coming from.

I don't really know where to start because i don't feel like quoting everyone who gave wrong info. I guess ill start with the HIDs in an open housing.

HIDs in open housing headlights are illegal, dangerous, and incredibly annoying. UNLESS they came from the factory with HIDs installed in the open housing. These(ie Lexus, infinity, Cadillac, Acura and so on) headlights are equipped with what is called a casper shield. This is a small metal shield formed in a specific shape and placed under the bulb to prevent glare and light from shining down in the housing thus in turn preventing it from reflecting out and up into other drivers eyes. The shape of the casper shield comes in with the headlights cut off, the shape will give a headlight a straight line cut off.

Doing a projector retrofit is perfectly legal too. When doing this, you are using a projector from another vehicle, as stated before such as an e46 or other common projectors, and installing it into your housing. These projectors are legal and there is nothing wrong with doing it.

getting into the technical aspects of projectors. The cutoff is the line where the light stops and is prevented from going any higher due to a shield inside the projector covering the bottom have so no light is projected out above the cutoff. People want HIDs that are purple and blue that's great but the output is going to suffer due to the high temp(color). The higher you go(in kelvin) the less output your going to have. The blue and the purple 'look' that people are after is the cutoff from a distance. The vehicles cutoff bounces in and out of your eyesight making the oncoming vehicles headlights appear to flash purple and blue. This color comes from the projector itself, when the light gets to the top or middle of the projector, because of the half dome lens, the color of the HID is bent across the spectrum causing it to show a purple line at the cutoff. BMW's, Range Rovers, and Acura's have the nicest cutoffs with the biggest segment of purple at the top, this is simply for looks and can be adjusted if your doing your own retro by bending your shield.

The person who said they get the same output having HIDs in their open housing compared to a projector is incorrect. It may look bright but it is not focused light. You have stray light beams shooting off in every direction. Where as with the projector, those beams are all focused and projected into one common direction cause the light to be more concentrated(brighter) and a hell of a lot better beam pattern that will go exponentially farther than an open housed HID.

Inspections your fine, like i said this is very legal. Plus like other people said, if your working at an inspection station, your either not a genius in the first place or you just don't care. They are not going to even notice as long as you do a decent job.

If you have any more questions about them id be glad to help you out or clear something up. Earlier you mentioned halos, they are a pita to install but well worth it. I have done halos both cffc and the bmw style.

here are some pictures of my other vehicle with projectors and halos as parking lights:

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Awesome info, thanks a ton for taking the time to post that. That retrofit on the prelude looks amazing! My end goal is projector lights with custom made halos around the projector... my only concern is temperature. How hot does the inside of the housing get with that HID lens burning?
 
not hot enough to damage anything. Assuming your using decent grade materials for your shroud, that would be my only concern. As far as your 4runner housing, the HID will put out less heat than your typical halogen plus its not directly in the 4runner housing but in the projector housing, which of course is made to handle whatever heat your HID puts out.
 
one other thing ill ask you, you may have answered or discussed this before but i cant reread the whole thread. Are you doing the retro in the 99 and up housings or are you using your 96-98 housing? I'm assuming its the 99 and up but just checking.
 
broncosi said:
one other thing ill ask you, you may have answered or discussed this before but i cant reread the whole thread. Are you doing the retro in the 99 and up housings or are you using your 96-98 housing? I'm assuming its the 99 and up but just checking.

I haven't got that far in my planning. I honestly don't know the pros and cons of each style.
 
its fairly simple, your housings now are frosted, the newer ones are not, they are clear. You would want to do the retro in the newer housings, or it would defeat the purpose.

You can pick up a set for about $170 on ebay.
 
$180. :D I just bought some.

And you might have to reaim them, which is a cost I didn't add in.

How much are projectors and where do you buy them?
 
Clemsonfan15 said:
$180. :D I just bought some.

And you might have to reaim them, which is a cost I didn't add in.

How much are projectors and where do you buy them?
projectors range from 125 to 2-300 depending on which projector you chose. most like the fx and do a lens swap to the tsx or any truly clear lens that isnt frosted.
 
you do have to reaim them if your keeping them stock, if your doing a retro, you aim the projector and not so much the housing itself.

I get a lot of my projects off totaled bmw and s2ks. I got an 07' 7 series headlights with 2 bi-xenon projectors and dual halos on each(so 4 total) for $38 on ebay!! hooray for deals!
 
broncosi, thank you so much for sharing the info with us all. it helped me in my decision a great amount. but i do have a request: if you would be able to back up your info about retrofits being legal, but with evidence... i.e. quotes from the vehicle code,

or rd4r being an officer and all..... what do you say?
 
SilverBullet01 said:
broncosi, thank you so much for sharing the info with us all. it helped me in my decision a great amount. but i do have a request: if you would be able to back up your info about retrofits being legal, but with evidence... i.e. quotes from the vehicle code,

or rd4r being an officer and all..... what do you say?
Plain and simple, they are not legal. A headlight has been certified by DOT for on road use and as such it has the DOT stamp on it. Once you alter its use/design, it is no longer DOT compliant. that includes retrofitting projectors or even changing the bulb type. If it was certified for a 9006 bulb, it is not certified for use with a D2S or D2R or even a 9005.
 
Daniel Stern is a well known lighting expert and this is what he says.

What about the law, what does it have to say on the matter? In virtually every first-world country, HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps are illegal. They're illegal clear across Europe and in all of the many countries that use European ECE headlight regulations. They're illegal in the US and Canada. Some people dismiss this because North American regulations, in particular, are written in such a manner as to reject a great many genuinely good headlamps. Nevertheless, on the particular count of HID "retrofits" into halogen headlamps, the world's regulators and engineers all say DON'T!

The only safe and legitimate HID retrofit is one that replaces the entire headlamp
 
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I have to agree with what others have said about the legality issue of projector retrofits. Just b/c the projector is oem, does not mean that if it's retrofitted into a non projector headlight, that somehow the transformed headlight is still legal?? That just does not seem feasible.

Like Daniel Stern's site says, baking the glass off and modifying the headlight housing to accept a projector, completely voids the DOT approval rating...thus making your new projector headlights illegal.

However, as far as legality issues are concerned, I seriously doubt a cop would ever pull you over and issue you a ticket based solely on your projector retrofit. If the projectors are properly installed, cops would have no reason too issue you a ticket. I also highly doubt an inspector would flag your vehicle for illegal headlights while performing a vehicle inspection. Again, I've dealt with some of these inspectors, and let me tell you, some of them are not the brightest crayon in the box. The ones I've dealt with were just doing good to know what make of vehicle I was driving.

So yes, I do not feel you would encounter any issues from law enforcement for projector retrofits, but IMO, they are illegal simply b/c the newly retrofitted headlights are no longer DOT approved as they were from the factory.

If this information can be proved false, I will gladly retract my statement.
 
Rock Slide said:
I do not feel you would encounter any issues from law enforcement for projector retrofits

I agree with basically every thing you said.

This is all relatively new stuff going on that states will alter their statutes for this specifically to make it illegal if they feel the need. Where as some states will not mess with their law and leave a loop hole there assuming there is one such as replacing the entire headlight with a DOT retrofit or maybe someone could look into how a headlight gets approved by DOT or whatever but just the fact that there would be a loop hole left. These headlight laws were probably not made with retrofits in mind where someone professionally improves the lighting, focus, beam pattern to current standards for projectors, with the new lights not only helping other drivers not be blinded by stray beams of light or misaligned lights, but also helping the driver see better, especially at night. I dont think i have ever used my high beams with my projectors, even down back country roads in the middle of no where. The improved visibility is worth the minimal chance of getting punished for this.

I'm not going to say that i would pay for someones ticket if they got one for a projector retrofit but i would say someone who has a good one done has a better chance of being struck by lightning. There is no reason, unless an leo is a car or light fanatic, that an officer would ever take note of your lights if everything is done correctly. And if an leo did note that and was a that into lighting, they would probably be giving you props and not a citation. Again though, it's all about where you live and how your laws are enforced in your area. But yes I can agree that most, if not all states, in some form or another have a statute where altering the headlights is illegal. So all of you 'if its illegal then its for a good reason people' can have at it about how your not going to do one because of that.
 
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Glad we agree! :bigok:

And just to point out for others who may be reading this, when I refer to projector retrofits as being "illegal", I'm simply referring to the DOT approval rating that is now void. Projector retrofits are not illegal in the sense that you'll get pulled over and given a citation simply for them.

IMO, there are no disadvantages to a properly installed retrofit. I've thoroughly enjoyed having mine. The light output, light spread and range of light simply blows away our stock halogen lights. I highly recommend them.

Now for those of you who prefer having an approved DOT headlight, either keep what you got or buy a vehicle that comes standard w/ projectors. :D
 
you have both brought up some very valid points, and i think i may have to do a retrofit now.........

but only after paying my speeding ticket..... :bash:
 

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