Light in the diesel tunnel

dekeman

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I know this might be a dead horse, and optimism is probably blinding me.
But Toyota is touting its new line of clean and efficient diesels in the new HiLux and Land Cruiser Prado overseas. And at the bottom of its press release says: By 2016, production will reach approximately 700,000 units a year with introduction in approximately 90 markets, set to expand to at least 150 markets by 2020.

Reason to hope?

This one definitely seems clean enough for NA markets, though infrastructure is still lacking. The 2.8L 1GD-FTV has a respectable 331 lb.-ft. of torque and seems a decent choice for the 2017, 6th Gen 4R.
Ok, back to the dark.

Full press release below the video...

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Toyota's Revamped Turbo Diesel Engines Offer
More Torque, Greater Efficiency and Lower Emissions
New engines feature next-generation advanced thermal insulation diesel combustion1
World-first2 use of Thermo Swing Wall Insulation Technology (TSWIN3)
Top-class maximum thermal efficiency of 44 percent4
15 percent more fuel efficient; 25 percent more maximum torque
Eliminates up to 99 percent of NOx emissions
Production of 700,000 units a year; available in approx. 90 markets by the end of 20165

Toyota's newly developed direct-injection turbo diesel engines raise the bar for fuel efficiency, power and quietness.

The world's first use of Thermo Swing Wall Insulation Technology (TSWIN) makes the 2.8-liter 1GD-FTV engine one of the most thermally efficient in existence, with a maximum thermal efficiency of 44 percent. Despite smaller engine displacement in comparison to the current KD engine, maximum torque is improved by 25 percent and low speed torque improved by 11 percent, while fuel efficiency has received a 15 percent boost.

The engines also have Toyota's first-ever urea Selective Catalytic Reduction (SCR)6 system that can eliminate up to 99 percent of emissions of NOx (nitrogen oxide), one of the main causes of air pollution.

The newly developed 1GD-FTV is currently available in the new Hilux small pickup truck launched in Thailand in May 2015, and in the partially redesigned Land Cruiser Prado launched in Japan on June 17. The same engine lineup includes the 2GD-FTV 2.4-liter direct-injection turbo diesel engine.


Main Specifications (specifications vary according to market)
1GD-FTV 2GD-FTV
Displacement 2,754 cc 2,393 cc
Bore/stroke ratio 92×103.6 mm 92×90 mm
Compression ratio 15.6 15.6
Maximum output 130 kw (177 PS)/3,400 rpm 110 kw (150 PS)/3,400 rpm
Maximum torque 450 N・m (45.9 kgf・m)/1,600-2,400 rpm 400 N・m (40.8 kgf・m)/1,600-2,000 rpm
Low speed torque 370 N・m (37.7 kgf・m)/1,200 rpm 330 N・m (33.7 kgf・m)/1,200 rpm

Features of the new GD engines

The new engines have proven their high thermal efficiency, quiet operation, and powerful performance around the world, including extremely cold areas where air temperatures can fall to -40˚C and altitudes exceeding 4,500 meters above sea level.

By adjacent positioning of the catalyst for cleaner performance and other improvements, catalyst size has been reduced by roughly 30 percent and number of exhaust system layouts reduced from 18 to just three, vastly simplifying the global deployment process and lessening the environmental burden.

Next-generation advanced thermal insulation diesel combustion

Thanks to the world-first use of Thermo Swing Wall Insulation Technology and the use of silica-reinforced porous anodized aluminum (SiRPA) on the pistons, cooling loss during combustion is reduced by approximately 30 percent. SiRPA is a high insulation and dissipation material that is easy to heat and easy to cool.

A port shape more conducive to air intake drastically increases the amount of air flow into the cylinders. Additionally, a newly developed piston combustion chamber shape and a common-rail fuel injection system that achieves higher pressure and more advanced control of fuel injection pressure are used to optimize the injection of fuel into the combustion chamber. This maximizes air consumption, enabling high thermal efficiency and low emissions.

Precise pilot injection matching the state of the ambient air occurs before the main injection to shorten ignition delay, achieving stable combustion even in the world's harshest environments, while ensuring quiet operation and high thermal efficiency.

Compact high-efficiency variable geometry turbocharger (produced in-house by Toyota)

The new turbocharger used by the GD engines is 30 percent smaller than its current equivalent, and features a newly developed turbine that improves efficiency, and a newly developed impeller that provides instantaneous acceleration response and produces maximum torque over a wide range of RPM.

Toyota-first urea selective catalyst reduction (SCR) system

Use of Toyota's proprietary, compact, high-dispersion urea selective catalyst reduction system eliminates up to 99 percent of emissions of NOx (nitrogen oxide), one of the main causes of air pollution. This will help vehicles conform to Euro 6 and the 2010 emissions standards set by Japan's Ministry of Land, Infrastructure and Transport.

The current globally deployed KD engines will be gradually phased out and replaced with GD engines. By 2016, production will reach approximately 700,000 units a year with introduction in approximately 90 markets, set to expand to at least 150 markets by 2020.

Toyota will continue to position diesel engines as a key component of the Toyota engine lineup, based on the philosophy of providing the right vehicles for the right places at the right time. The entire Toyota group, including Toyota Industries Corporation, will combine its energies to develop cleaner and more competitive diesel engines across a wide-range of vehicle types, taking into account the varying needs of people around the world.

1 Combustion that drastically reduces cooling loss. Japanese specifications
2 Based on TMC data as of June 2015
3 Technology that reduces cooling loss during combustion. Japanese specifications only at present.
4 In-house measurements
5 Including both the 2.8-liter 1GD-FTV and the 2.4-liter 2GD-FTV engines
6 European and Japanese specifications
 
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It sure is, even the 5 per cent low sulphur. But apparently Toyota's urea catalyst reduction system (like VW's, Mercedes' Audi et al) now eliminates up to 99 percent of emissions of NOx. And making these engines more globally palatable is a small catalyst married to a simplified exhaust layout. At least that's what Toyota is saying.
 
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This one definitely seems clean enough for NA markets, though infrastructure is still TOTALLY NONEXISTANT.....

I guess it's amusing to speculate, but there's no service training, no parts, no nothin'. I can't imagine owning this engine in this scenerio.
 
ASSuming we get a diesel in the future, can you imagine the cost of a diesel 4R? Take a $40K truck and add what 10K? 20K? Once they're done adding all the wonderful emission parts to it. 38K was tough enough as it was, couldn't imagine more...
 
ASSuming we get a diesel in the future, can you imagine the cost of a diesel 4R? Take a $40K truck and add what 10K? 20K? Once they're done adding all the wonderful emission parts to it. 38K was tough enough as it was, couldn't imagine more...

Agreed.

Also:

When I think Toyota, I think reliable.

When I think diesels built since 2007 and newer, I think unreliable... Diesel exhaust filters, urea, regeneration cycles, crazy fuel rail pressures, etc...

Give me a gas engine in my next 4Runner please!
 
the fact of the matter is that nissan and chevy (among others) either already have or are about to introduce diesels to the us.

these engines offer greater driving ranges, better mpg, and much better towing capabilities than gas engines.

aussie overlanders for example rely exclusively on diesels because they can travel further and because they can load up their rigs without destroying their fuel economy.

i dont think toyota is far behind on this trend and anyone who actually offroads their 4runner should be excited.
 
ASSuming we get a diesel in the future, can you imagine the cost of a diesel 4R? Take a $40K truck and add what 10K? 20K? Once they're done adding all the wonderful emission parts to it. 38K was tough enough as it was, couldn't imagine more...

For sure, a diesel would cost extra, but not 10 and certainly not $20k more, unless they make it from the petrified bones of unicorns. But, by and large, consumers are willing to pay extra for diesel engines — Chrysler is only just meeting demand for its EcoDiesel in the Ram, and Ford buyers happily shell out more for plain old turbos in the EcoBoost. Not to mention all those who pay more for VW's diesel. You might not be able to imagine paying more, but plenty can and do.
 
I guess it's amusing to speculate, but there's no service training, no parts, no nothin'. I can't imagine owning this engine in this scenerio.

Yep, it's hard to imagine such a scenario — the same thing we saw 20 years ago when some speculated that everyone would be walking around with a phone in his or pocket. What a bunch of nutters they were. And unlike Elon Musk, most could never imagine a world where electric cars could be half decent to drive. What a bunch of naive dreamers.
 
Yep, it's hard to imagine such a scenario — the same thing we saw 20 years ago when some speculated that everyone would be walking around with a phone in his or pocket. What a bunch of nutters they were. And unlike Elon Musk, most could never imagine a world where electric cars could be half decent to drive. What a bunch of naive dreamers.

Anything is possible. I do it every day. The key, and the only key, is "Is there a strong enough business case?" If there is then there will be a Toyota diesel option in North America. If not, then we won't. Simple. It's all about the money guys.
 
If I were King, I'd restrict these romantic postings on diesels to ppl who've owned one in a 'passenger' (read non-HD/non-commercial) vehicle for at least 3 years.

After about that length of time the dew is off the lily, ala noise, stink, maintenance costs, fuel costs, parts costs, USA emissions BS, etc etc.
And this 'save money on fuel costs' is just horse-puckey until weighed against long-term maintenance costs and up front purchase cost.

Guy in a diesel VW pulled in behind me at the pumps just this week. Sounded like a monkey was in the back seat rattling a can of marbles (only slight exaggeration).

Bah!
 
Anything is possible.

“Impossible is just a big word thrown around by small men who find it easier to live in the world they've been given than to explore the power they have to change it. Impossible is not a fact. It's an opinion. Impossible is not a declaration. It's a dare. Impossible is potential. Impossible is temporary. Impossible is nothing.”

— Muhammad Ali.
 
ASSuming we get a diesel in the future, can you imagine the cost of a diesel 4R? Take a $40K truck and add what 10K? 20K? Once they're done adding all the wonderful emission parts to it. 38K was tough enough as it was, couldn't imagine more...

I'd guess more like $5000 more.

If Toyota does it, they will be competative in the market, and that's about how much more a Diesel GC costs than it's gas powered sibling.
 
horse-puckey. Going to adopt use of that one.

I'll need to see a copy of your next article that uses it.

Horse-puckey was one of this guy's favorite swear-words.

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Plagiarism is a wonderful thing.
 

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the fact of the matter is that nissan and chevy (among others) either already have or are about to introduce diesels to the us.

these engines offer greater driving ranges, better mpg, and much better towing capabilities than gas engines.

aussie overlanders for example rely exclusively on diesels because they can travel further and because they can load up their rigs without destroying their fuel economy.

To the extent that small diesel trucks are popular over there it's because rural Aussies work those trucks, while we get big diesel trucks because rural Americans work those trucks. It has nothing to do with travelling across the Outback.

And Nissan and Chevy are behind Jeep in terms of reintroducing diesel in midsize utility rigs, and they're going to learn what Jeep is learning - they don't sell well in the US. Those other companies are forced to gamble and play to smaller markets to try and keep up, but Toyota is ultraconservative and already sits on top of most of the hills they want to sit on top of. They will not enter the diesel market in the US until it's a proven moneymaker, and if that ever happens it'll be a long time from now.
 

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