Marines had to surrender weapons.....
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Ol'Blue
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I'm about willing to bet you that the RSO didn't give any weapons up.
Let's recap this. RSO found alive after US Ambassador is dead along with three other Americans.
RSO gives order to give up weapons to Yemen when probable security threats .
WAKE UP AMERICA WHEN YOU VOTE!!!!! Just remember how many people have died so you can be ignorant and stupid when voting.
Rant over
Blue
Let's recap this. RSO found alive after US Ambassador is dead along with three other Americans.
RSO gives order to give up weapons to Yemen when probable security threats .
WAKE UP AMERICA WHEN YOU VOTE!!!!! Just remember how many people have died so you can be ignorant and stupid when voting.
Rant over
Blue
Doc2012
Senior Member
1) Rant not over.
2) MEU. Marine Expeditionary Unit. You should know this. Lol
3) See attached Pic.
4) This is what happens when you elect a "brother" into the WH. Working with them isn't going to make anything better, it's going to make it a LOT worse. Look at what's happening now.
a) Bowe Berghdal was traded for FIVE terrorists, AND ISN'T BEING CHARGED WITH DESERTION AFTER 13 SOLDIERS WERE KILLED LOOKING FOR THE ****ING TRATOR.
b) Shit like Yemen is happening all over, just not being heard about.
c) A Jordanian pilot is murdered by ISIS, Jordan launches strikes THE NEXT DAY, and vows “strong, earth-shaking and decisive” response until they run "out of fuel and bullets".
d) Two(Three?) AMERICANS are killed, and Osama does NOTHING.
The two times I was over there, it was so frustrating because we couldn't do ANYTHING. We would see people "dicking" us, basically their observers, and couldn't do anything about it because they weren't "engaging" us. What should have happened, was we should've put a bullet between his eyes.
They use to be afraid of us. They thought Marines were robots. The CamelBack we wore were our battery packs. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BACK DOWN. WE ****ED SHIT UP, LIKE MARINES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
"When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed over night."
You want to complain how many troops you're losing, but you want to do nothing about it??
LET US DO OUR JOB!!!! STOP TYING OUR HANDS BEHING OUR BACKS!!!
Iraq AND Afghanistan should've been like Iraq was at first. Do something shady, hearts and minds. Out past curfew, hearts and minds. Watching us then run, hearts and minds.
Nothing is going to change with this man in the office. We're going to be known as a ***** nation, because no one want's to do anything.
There use to be a time when we were able to stand up, take care of what needed to be taken care of. Where no one wanted to **** with us because we would DESTROY them. Now, everyone want's a piece of the USA. They all want to **** with us. Because they know that we won't do anything.
The sad part is that this pussification of our nation isn't just in politics.
There's "Time Out" cards in Boot Camp. These people aren't being trained to fight. They're being trained to *****. I can't tell you the number of times that I've yelled at some dumb ass boot for doing something stupid, and he/she has walked away crying, or has gotten an attitude right back, like their some entitled little shit. We use to be able to go out to the tree line and teach them a lesson. Now, it's called hazing. I'm sorry BOOT, you ain't got shit on me, or what I've done. And I know there are people out there that I don't have shit on. And I have no problem with that. BUT, I WILL respect them.
Not long ago, we had Medal of Honor recipient Major General James E. Livingston, USMC(RET), come speak at the hospital. I had a CHIEF (E7 for those that don't know Navy Ranks) come into my office to make sure everything was locked on for "this EX-Marine." I quickly corrected him, and reminded him that the ONLY EX-Marines are ones that get Dishonorably Discharged for drugs or stupid shit like that, and that he should know that. His response: "It doesn't matter." I told him to get the **** out of my office.
This shit is getting worse, and people need to WAKE UP AND SEE IT.
I wish these mother****ers would come here. I swear on all that is holy, I will raid the nearest armory, get on base somehow, raid the ASP, and build the Runner like you've NEVER seen a civilian vehicle.
@Ol' Blue:
Lets get the fams together and find some land in BFE. We'll work our stockpile up, and be ready for whatever happens, because it's getting worse.
And people wonder why Vets are so paranoid and "crazy".
Semper Fidelis Blue.
****EDIT****
I'm putting this in here because, yes, I know I was typing Osama, and his name is Obama. I don't care. He's a terrorist, so he will be referred to as Osama by me.
2) MEU. Marine Expeditionary Unit. You should know this. Lol
3) See attached Pic.
4) This is what happens when you elect a "brother" into the WH. Working with them isn't going to make anything better, it's going to make it a LOT worse. Look at what's happening now.
a) Bowe Berghdal was traded for FIVE terrorists, AND ISN'T BEING CHARGED WITH DESERTION AFTER 13 SOLDIERS WERE KILLED LOOKING FOR THE ****ING TRATOR.
b) Shit like Yemen is happening all over, just not being heard about.
c) A Jordanian pilot is murdered by ISIS, Jordan launches strikes THE NEXT DAY, and vows “strong, earth-shaking and decisive” response until they run "out of fuel and bullets".
d) Two(Three?) AMERICANS are killed, and Osama does NOTHING.
The two times I was over there, it was so frustrating because we couldn't do ANYTHING. We would see people "dicking" us, basically their observers, and couldn't do anything about it because they weren't "engaging" us. What should have happened, was we should've put a bullet between his eyes.
They use to be afraid of us. They thought Marines were robots. The CamelBack we wore were our battery packs. BECAUSE WE DIDN'T BACK DOWN. WE ****ED SHIT UP, LIKE MARINES ARE SUPPOSED TO DO.
"When it absolutely, positively, has to be destroyed over night."
You want to complain how many troops you're losing, but you want to do nothing about it??
LET US DO OUR JOB!!!! STOP TYING OUR HANDS BEHING OUR BACKS!!!
Iraq AND Afghanistan should've been like Iraq was at first. Do something shady, hearts and minds. Out past curfew, hearts and minds. Watching us then run, hearts and minds.
Nothing is going to change with this man in the office. We're going to be known as a ***** nation, because no one want's to do anything.
There use to be a time when we were able to stand up, take care of what needed to be taken care of. Where no one wanted to **** with us because we would DESTROY them. Now, everyone want's a piece of the USA. They all want to **** with us. Because they know that we won't do anything.
The sad part is that this pussification of our nation isn't just in politics.
There's "Time Out" cards in Boot Camp. These people aren't being trained to fight. They're being trained to *****. I can't tell you the number of times that I've yelled at some dumb ass boot for doing something stupid, and he/she has walked away crying, or has gotten an attitude right back, like their some entitled little shit. We use to be able to go out to the tree line and teach them a lesson. Now, it's called hazing. I'm sorry BOOT, you ain't got shit on me, or what I've done. And I know there are people out there that I don't have shit on. And I have no problem with that. BUT, I WILL respect them.
Not long ago, we had Medal of Honor recipient Major General James E. Livingston, USMC(RET), come speak at the hospital. I had a CHIEF (E7 for those that don't know Navy Ranks) come into my office to make sure everything was locked on for "this EX-Marine." I quickly corrected him, and reminded him that the ONLY EX-Marines are ones that get Dishonorably Discharged for drugs or stupid shit like that, and that he should know that. His response: "It doesn't matter." I told him to get the **** out of my office.
This shit is getting worse, and people need to WAKE UP AND SEE IT.
I wish these mother****ers would come here. I swear on all that is holy, I will raid the nearest armory, get on base somehow, raid the ASP, and build the Runner like you've NEVER seen a civilian vehicle.
@Ol' Blue:
Lets get the fams together and find some land in BFE. We'll work our stockpile up, and be ready for whatever happens, because it's getting worse.
And people wonder why Vets are so paranoid and "crazy".
Semper Fidelis Blue.
****EDIT****
I'm putting this in here because, yes, I know I was typing Osama, and his name is Obama. I don't care. He's a terrorist, so he will be referred to as Osama by me.
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BrianSD_42
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Btw
I'm glad to read that this is just a false alert and did not happen.
Marines: No Weapons Surrendered to Houthis | WashingtonExaminer.com
I'm glad to read that this is just a false alert and did not happen.
Marines: No Weapons Surrendered to Houthis | WashingtonExaminer.com
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ben550
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Sure it didn't happen. Because what the DOD says is the truth... Just like how they said the Iraqis and Afghanis were/are leading all combat patrols...
Don't worry the marines could not have surrendered their weapons because they are probably not allowed to have weapons where they are stationed... even if they were they most definitely are not allowed to have ammunition...
hahaha what a joke.
We have standing armies burning their captives alive in lion cages, and we are sending our soldiers to sensitivity training so we don't offend them...
UNBELIEVABLE
Don't worry the marines could not have surrendered their weapons because they are probably not allowed to have weapons where they are stationed... even if they were they most definitely are not allowed to have ammunition...
hahaha what a joke.
We have standing armies burning their captives alive in lion cages, and we are sending our soldiers to sensitivity training so we don't offend them...
UNBELIEVABLE
Doc2012
Senior Member
Because I'm still a 3rd Class.
And I sure as hell did.
I think me and my buddy are the only two that have the balls to stand up for what is right, whether it be to a Chief or someone higher.
You're not going to disrespect a MOH recipient by calling him an EX-Marine. I DGAF if you're a Chief or an Admiral. I'll tell you the same thing.
I'll respect you until you give me a reason not to. I had nothing but respect for that Chief. Great guy. But when he pulled that shit, it all went away. I still adress him by his rank, but other than that, nothing for him.
Doc2012
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Ol'Blue
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Brian
I get what you are saying but Doc is correct. I can say this because I have been there. At the end of the day this hearts and mind crap is just that. I'm not going to get into every billet I've had because at the end of the day I was pulling triggers.
I was sitting with an Afghan elder one night and he brought up a very good point. At the end of the day it the striking of fear that wins and the hammer behind it.
Having worked out of the State Department. All I will say is like any place there are a few good ones. Most on the other hand do not have the same values as the men protecting them every time we take there ass to some "meeting" so they can drink and be ****ing cool.
We all know how Hillary stands up and takes responsibility for her organisation when she ran it.
As for an E7 not having a clue. Go fig. I left the Marine Corps because I stood my ground with my 0-6 and told him **** off to his face after one of my guys almost killed himself and his answer was it's no big deal the VA will help him. I ****ing lost it. Requested mass to a 3 star and had congress and the IG start an investigation.
At the end of the day America as a whole has a huge moral issue. We have forgot what made this country great!
I will not go bahhhhhhh in the night. I'm a sheep dog!
Blue
I get what you are saying but Doc is correct. I can say this because I have been there. At the end of the day this hearts and mind crap is just that. I'm not going to get into every billet I've had because at the end of the day I was pulling triggers.
I was sitting with an Afghan elder one night and he brought up a very good point. At the end of the day it the striking of fear that wins and the hammer behind it.
Having worked out of the State Department. All I will say is like any place there are a few good ones. Most on the other hand do not have the same values as the men protecting them every time we take there ass to some "meeting" so they can drink and be ****ing cool.
We all know how Hillary stands up and takes responsibility for her organisation when she ran it.
As for an E7 not having a clue. Go fig. I left the Marine Corps because I stood my ground with my 0-6 and told him **** off to his face after one of my guys almost killed himself and his answer was it's no big deal the VA will help him. I ****ing lost it. Requested mass to a 3 star and had congress and the IG start an investigation.
At the end of the day America as a whole has a huge moral issue. We have forgot what made this country great!
I will not go bahhhhhhh in the night. I'm a sheep dog!
Blue
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BrianSD_42
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I just think it is weird that this thread is confusing a stupid decision by marine corps management, if it even happened, with a problem with America.
What you are hinting are all symptoms of the fact that America and its leadership is disconnected from the military. You called this a pussified nation But all the things you describe are problems with the military and the political leadership in Washington.
And as for Iraq and Afghanistan goes, i understand there is a lot of anger and a desire to not have had it all been a waste but frankly the whole last 12 years in those 2 countries have been a waste.
Yes we won many battles and fought bravely but in the end we did not win a positive strategic outcome. the problem is that a positive strategic outcome in those countries was never possible to begin with. You don't have to be a history major to see this in plain light.
By Any measurement both campaigns Have failed.
"F their hearts and minds" one Marine said in a documentary I watched recently. The Marine had just had a local villager who had met them earlier shoot at them later in the day. It isn't uncommon at all to have the locals lie to our troops face over tea and then attack at night.
I think people need to wake up to fact that it was a mistake to think that US troops can "fix hearts and minds" in the first place. To believe this is to believe in nation building and culture shaping. Two things that US Troops should not be used for - ever.
Yes I served in Navy, 6 years on a combat platform, deployed twice. No I don't claim to understand what the guys on the gground went throughin these two shitty wars. I do have a lot of respect for our soldiers who served and I plan to only support wars where I believe in the cause myself, where I would send my friends or family to fight. It needs to be a good cause to be worth their lives and the lives of the soldiers in the US military.
Right now the public just uses troops without deep thought and sends them off to these foreign wars. It isn't a problem for them because practically no one serves. Once you go to public college with the regular (non-military) students (if you haven't already) then you will see and meet the 20-30 somethings of "generation like" who have no f#cking clue about these ongoing wars and dont give a sh#t because there is 0 chance they will be sent to Syria or Yemen or wherever the military is sent to fight (and take casualties) next.
This subject of US foreign policy and what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan ... I have read quite a lot about it actually. One book I'd recommend for anyone is "The Good Soldiers" also the movies Restreppo and Korrengal.
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There was a super detailed and thorough analysis of the US military's failed 2 wars done at the Atlantic.
The Tragedy of the American Military | Feb. 2015
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/
Also there is plenty of reading out there for why the Iraq war failed. Specifically this excellent PBS Frontline Documentary which includes a complete timeline from Saddam to just a few months pre-ISIS.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/losing-iraq/
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Acceptance that Iraq is really 3 separate countries that all hate each other would be a huge step in the right direction for US foreign policy. Instead we are trying to keep it together with foreign aid money. The ones who pay the most are the soldiers and their families. The same problems exist with the Syrian civil war and the territory held by ISIS.
Mosal is a Sunni city with between 1M to 1.5M people and it is "held by ISIS" or "aligned with ISIS" - when it fell the Iraq Army dropped their US paid for weapons and ran like cowards. That is what we were told. Despite all the funding they were not willing to die against ISIS even though they outnumbered them massively. What is also not mentioned that often is that the Sunni side of the Iraqi Army basically defected on the spot and would not fight ISIS. The Shiites ran for their lives and the Sunnis joined ISIS.
Why does this matter? Well there is a lot of talk right now that the US will try to retake Mosal using Iraqi Army troops and US Advisors (eg SPEC OPS) ... but what does that really mean?
Why is it when the US goes into a hostile city like Mosal the civilians work with the terrorists and setup roadside bombs but yet when ISIS comes into town they don't do that, instead they just support them?
The now Shiite Iraqi Army doesn't want to retake Mosal on their own because they are not willing to die to retake Mosal. It is that simple. But yet the Iraqi Army would love to have US troops come in and do the fighting and dying.
The fact that anyone (Marine or Army or whomever) would think this is a worthwhile cause is just shocking to me. The country is divided and Mosal and it's citizens are now aligned with ISIS. Retaking the city is just a waste. The city itself and its people are the ones supporting ISIS. So retaking it by force will do nothing since all of the people (over a million) will still be Sunni who support ISIS.
It is public knowledge that plans to retake Mosal by force are ongoing right now. If that happens a lot of good US soldiers may die in the process.
We have to ask ourselves: for what purpose?
What you are hinting are all symptoms of the fact that America and its leadership is disconnected from the military. You called this a pussified nation But all the things you describe are problems with the military and the political leadership in Washington.
And as for Iraq and Afghanistan goes, i understand there is a lot of anger and a desire to not have had it all been a waste but frankly the whole last 12 years in those 2 countries have been a waste.
Yes we won many battles and fought bravely but in the end we did not win a positive strategic outcome. the problem is that a positive strategic outcome in those countries was never possible to begin with. You don't have to be a history major to see this in plain light.
By Any measurement both campaigns Have failed.
"F their hearts and minds" one Marine said in a documentary I watched recently. The Marine had just had a local villager who had met them earlier shoot at them later in the day. It isn't uncommon at all to have the locals lie to our troops face over tea and then attack at night.
I think people need to wake up to fact that it was a mistake to think that US troops can "fix hearts and minds" in the first place. To believe this is to believe in nation building and culture shaping. Two things that US Troops should not be used for - ever.
Yes I served in Navy, 6 years on a combat platform, deployed twice. No I don't claim to understand what the guys on the gground went throughin these two shitty wars. I do have a lot of respect for our soldiers who served and I plan to only support wars where I believe in the cause myself, where I would send my friends or family to fight. It needs to be a good cause to be worth their lives and the lives of the soldiers in the US military.
Right now the public just uses troops without deep thought and sends them off to these foreign wars. It isn't a problem for them because practically no one serves. Once you go to public college with the regular (non-military) students (if you haven't already) then you will see and meet the 20-30 somethings of "generation like" who have no f#cking clue about these ongoing wars and dont give a sh#t because there is 0 chance they will be sent to Syria or Yemen or wherever the military is sent to fight (and take casualties) next.
This subject of US foreign policy and what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan ... I have read quite a lot about it actually. One book I'd recommend for anyone is "The Good Soldiers" also the movies Restreppo and Korrengal.
////////////////////////////////////////////////
There was a super detailed and thorough analysis of the US military's failed 2 wars done at the Atlantic.
The Tragedy of the American Military | Feb. 2015
http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/12/the-tragedy-of-the-american-military/383516/
Also there is plenty of reading out there for why the Iraq war failed. Specifically this excellent PBS Frontline Documentary which includes a complete timeline from Saddam to just a few months pre-ISIS.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/losing-iraq/
////////////////////////////
Acceptance that Iraq is really 3 separate countries that all hate each other would be a huge step in the right direction for US foreign policy. Instead we are trying to keep it together with foreign aid money. The ones who pay the most are the soldiers and their families. The same problems exist with the Syrian civil war and the territory held by ISIS.
Mosal is a Sunni city with between 1M to 1.5M people and it is "held by ISIS" or "aligned with ISIS" - when it fell the Iraq Army dropped their US paid for weapons and ran like cowards. That is what we were told. Despite all the funding they were not willing to die against ISIS even though they outnumbered them massively. What is also not mentioned that often is that the Sunni side of the Iraqi Army basically defected on the spot and would not fight ISIS. The Shiites ran for their lives and the Sunnis joined ISIS.
Why does this matter? Well there is a lot of talk right now that the US will try to retake Mosal using Iraqi Army troops and US Advisors (eg SPEC OPS) ... but what does that really mean?
Why is it when the US goes into a hostile city like Mosal the civilians work with the terrorists and setup roadside bombs but yet when ISIS comes into town they don't do that, instead they just support them?
The now Shiite Iraqi Army doesn't want to retake Mosal on their own because they are not willing to die to retake Mosal. It is that simple. But yet the Iraqi Army would love to have US troops come in and do the fighting and dying.
The fact that anyone (Marine or Army or whomever) would think this is a worthwhile cause is just shocking to me. The country is divided and Mosal and it's citizens are now aligned with ISIS. Retaking the city is just a waste. The city itself and its people are the ones supporting ISIS. So retaking it by force will do nothing since all of the people (over a million) will still be Sunni who support ISIS.
It is public knowledge that plans to retake Mosal by force are ongoing right now. If that happens a lot of good US soldiers may die in the process.
We have to ask ourselves: for what purpose?
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Doc2012
Senior Member
Marine Corps Management has to come from somewhere, and it's not the Boots on the ground. It's much higher, usually from people that have direct contact with the CIC.
Look at Benghazi.
The boots on the ground are the ones seeing this stuff, living this, and getting f*cked up because of it. When the word gets to the higher-ups about what its going to take, they don't want to do it because of "Foregin relations". They want to keep everything peaceful, and think we're still fighting an enemy that will stand toe to toe with us. This is not the case anymore, and it needs to be taken seriously into account. Yes, we have MANY technological advances on these people, but they seem to find a way to beat them every single time. From IEDs to HME, they've found a way to best us, because our hands are tied behind our backs, and we can't do anything about it because the CIC wants to keep "foregin relations."
The US has become a weak nation. There is no other way to put it. Prime example is Boot Camp, and the "Time Out" cards.
Boot camp is made to break you down, and build you into that Soldier, Sailor, Airmen, or Marine that you need to be. Holding a "Time Out" card to a DIs face in Boot Camp is letting that person admit defeat, regroup after how ever long it takes, then jump back into it. How is a DI supposed to train someone when they're doing that? How is that supposed to help someone to be able to deal with pressure?
Another example:
Kid I worked with. Was on restriction for DUI. got off restriction on Friday, then next Monday he was "at an appt." Come to find out, he just didn't feel like showing up for work. They charged him AWOL, and gave him a change to do EMI before routing the chit up. He STILL ****ed off.
Chit went up, next day he was in the psych ward, because he "couldn't handle it". The kid ended up getting temporarily medicaly retired, meaning after three years, they will re-evaluate him, and if he's "better", he will finish out his contract.
Bull. Shit.
Look at these policies on illegial immigrants. They're getting tax breaks, while there are over 610K homeless people in the US(2013 survey), MOST VETERANS, with over 18.5 MILLION vacant houses. Yet they would rather help out people that aren't even citizens, and haven't contributed anything to this country???
Everything has to be "politically correct" these days, which is bullshit.
We need to worry about AMERICA, and not all these other little places. Let's get back to where we use to be. Politics be damned.
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The problem comes from most people that have been on the ground over there.
It's seeing your buddy shot or killed, and wanting revenge. It's giving your blood, sweat, and tears to something, only to see it get destroyed again.
I would give my left nut to go back over there with my Marines. I would go back, and I'd do it all over again.
It's hard to explain WHY we want to go back. It's something that we know we can make better, and something we know we can help change. We saw how it was before, and we saw where it was headed. Then, we were forced to back off, and not allowed to finish our job.
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When I say "hearts and minds", I'm speaking of 3 FMJs. two to the chest, one to the head.
As Blue said:
"At the end of the day it is the striking of fear that wins and the hammer behind it" is the only way that we could have won over there. And we were doing it. Until we got our hands tied because we were protecting "foregin relations."
Look at Benghazi.
The boots on the ground are the ones seeing this stuff, living this, and getting f*cked up because of it. When the word gets to the higher-ups about what its going to take, they don't want to do it because of "Foregin relations". They want to keep everything peaceful, and think we're still fighting an enemy that will stand toe to toe with us. This is not the case anymore, and it needs to be taken seriously into account. Yes, we have MANY technological advances on these people, but they seem to find a way to beat them every single time. From IEDs to HME, they've found a way to best us, because our hands are tied behind our backs, and we can't do anything about it because the CIC wants to keep "foregin relations."
The US has become a weak nation. There is no other way to put it. Prime example is Boot Camp, and the "Time Out" cards.
Boot camp is made to break you down, and build you into that Soldier, Sailor, Airmen, or Marine that you need to be. Holding a "Time Out" card to a DIs face in Boot Camp is letting that person admit defeat, regroup after how ever long it takes, then jump back into it. How is a DI supposed to train someone when they're doing that? How is that supposed to help someone to be able to deal with pressure?
Another example:
Kid I worked with. Was on restriction for DUI. got off restriction on Friday, then next Monday he was "at an appt." Come to find out, he just didn't feel like showing up for work. They charged him AWOL, and gave him a change to do EMI before routing the chit up. He STILL ****ed off.
Chit went up, next day he was in the psych ward, because he "couldn't handle it". The kid ended up getting temporarily medicaly retired, meaning after three years, they will re-evaluate him, and if he's "better", he will finish out his contract.
Bull. Shit.
Look at these policies on illegial immigrants. They're getting tax breaks, while there are over 610K homeless people in the US(2013 survey), MOST VETERANS, with over 18.5 MILLION vacant houses. Yet they would rather help out people that aren't even citizens, and haven't contributed anything to this country???
Everything has to be "politically correct" these days, which is bullshit.
We need to worry about AMERICA, and not all these other little places. Let's get back to where we use to be. Politics be damned.
________________________________________________________
The problem comes from most people that have been on the ground over there.
It's seeing your buddy shot or killed, and wanting revenge. It's giving your blood, sweat, and tears to something, only to see it get destroyed again.
I would give my left nut to go back over there with my Marines. I would go back, and I'd do it all over again.
It's hard to explain WHY we want to go back. It's something that we know we can make better, and something we know we can help change. We saw how it was before, and we saw where it was headed. Then, we were forced to back off, and not allowed to finish our job.
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When I say "hearts and minds", I'm speaking of 3 FMJs. two to the chest, one to the head.
As Blue said:
"At the end of the day it is the striking of fear that wins and the hammer behind it" is the only way that we could have won over there. And we were doing it. Until we got our hands tied because we were protecting "foregin relations."
BrianSD_42
New member
And is the claim about stress cards even true?
I got out in 06' and never heard of it. I looked it up on Google and most of the stories were stating that is just a bullshit Internet rumor.
I understand being upset about some of these things but make sure it is true.
Doc, you sound so angry. Why don't you get out then?
Enlisted have always had to deal with the BS in the military. If you don't like it then what should you do?
I got out in 06' and never heard of it. I looked it up on Google and most of the stories were stating that is just a bullshit Internet rumor.
I understand being upset about some of these things but make sure it is true.
Doc, you sound so angry. Why don't you get out then?
Enlisted have always had to deal with the BS in the military. If you don't like it then what should you do?
Doc2012
Senior Member
Getting out is something I struggle with on a daily basis Brian.
On one hand, I absolutely LOVE being a Corpsman. I love taking care of my Marines. I love having boots on the ground. everything about being a Corpsman, LOVE IT.
100% FED UP with the BS though.
I guess we'll see what happens in the next few months.
On one hand, I absolutely LOVE being a Corpsman. I love taking care of my Marines. I love having boots on the ground. everything about being a Corpsman, LOVE IT.
100% FED UP with the BS though.
I guess we'll see what happens in the next few months.
BlackWorksInc
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I'll start with saying that while I strived to be a Marine (Specifically USMC EOD, MOS-2336) I was shot down because of my Asperger's; despite having documentation and evidence to show that I was high functioning and needed no special requirements as a result (there was an obscure method of obtaining a waiver to bypass some disqualifers based upon 1yr or more of evidence in various forms shows that while you're diagnosed it does not affect your ability to be a solider.) The recruiter basically told me I was too crazy for the USMC, to which I replied "what is this an Army recruitment office? Since when has being a USMC NOT required being a little crazy?! The recruiter did not even bother to listen to me about the legal code, evidence, and research I had done to prove competence; instead he just washed me over with "we're really not looking for people like you." This was back when the US Military was so lax on recruitment they grabbed up every gang banger and idiot they could find to throw overseas instead of maybe looking for quality people who wanted to serve their country, not just play real life CoD. I lived in Fallbrook (the northern most gate of Camp Pendleton is in the middle of the town) and knew many amazing Marines who did a great service to their country; so most of my opinions and statements are built from their experiences being passed down to me (as well as those of other soldiers I have befriended from various branches of the US military in my life) and the research and information I have gathered over the years. So I apologize in advance for not having any real first hand experience with the military besides being promptly shoo'd away. 
The problems in the US Military are a symptom of the country's politics and core issues; it plagues the ranks just as much as it does the civilians. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for the honorable soldiers who fight for our freedom and their families; unfortunately I have met many and heard stories of many more injustices and criminals who have stained the name of the US Military as a whole. I remember almost 6~7years ago I was visiting Fallbrook and one of my family members told me of a fellow Marine had been murdered on Base because his fellow corpsmen found out he was homosexual. This was a man who served 2 tours in the sandbox, did his country proud and was thinking of a third tour; his reward? His fellow Marines murder him in cold blood and their courtmartial gets stalled so they can be sent back into the field! There's issues with various other forms of discrimination and violence and complete lack of enforcement that follows these acts; I don't want to delve too deep into it, but the reality is that these dishonorable people who have infected the military are there because of horrid politics that the US Government AND the US People have allowed to happen.
Yes when it comes to the military, the US people are grossly disconnected and the politicians even more so. The US people throw their hard fought freedoms away in the name of "fighting terrorists" but when the time to put the pay the bills on new weapons, armour, and technology to protect our troops out over the seas; Congress and the people suddenly don't want to "do whatever it takes." I may not agree with the war or the reasons we went out there, but it absolutely disgusted me that when the US cried "we will do whatever it takes" that battle cry quickly disseminated into nothing when we realized that it'd actually cost us to take care of the brave men and women fighting out there. The worst part? The US Military and the Government have been aware of the fact that our military lacked proper equipment, training, and technology to fight in Guerrilla Warfare like what we saw in the Middle East since the COLD WAR! Military analysts, generals, and others all made it clear that the face of warfare was changing and that what we see today is how wars will be fought; what did the politicians and government do? Nothing... they waited over 5 years before they finally got off their asses to properly protect our troops after we landed in Iraq; after we lost thousands needlessly because of foot dragging and idiots in plush chairs.
Budgetary concerns aren't even the tip of that iceberg, you only need to look at how we approach foreign relations to see how weak the US has become. Am I saying we need to start a war with everyone who pokes us? No, but the reality is that we got badly burned with the Iraq War; it stained our country and our reputation. So instead of trying to learn from it and to find a better medium, we swung all the way from "Gung-Ho lets start some war!" to "We're going to be passive and borderline isolationist." Our foreign policy is ridiculously all over the place, there should never be a reason for our military to surrender their weapons to another military force, EVER. Holster them, keep the safeties on, hell keep them in Condition 3 or 4; but let the soldiers be ready to do their duty if shit hits the fan. Giving up our weapons in a hot zone is the same as surrendering those troops lives (lets be realistic that entire area is one big hot zone with every US man and woman having a giant target on their backs) its a tactical and political mistake of great proportions. Am I saying we need to be an occupying force ready to storm the castle at a moment's notice? No, but it is idiotic to send troops in without a way to defend themselves; there's no one we can trust out there and removing our fangs isn't helping anyone.
Which brings me up to the next point... why the US Government feels the need to neuter our military's capability and undermine our reputation as a strong and swift fighting force has be completely bewildered. I understand the frustration and desire to pull out of the mess we made with our country's poor planning and idiotic politicians creating an over decade long war; but that's no excuse to leave our drawers dropped to the enemy. We don't have to go to war, but we better damn well respond when people attack us or our allies. What kind of message does it give the rest of the world when the US Government forces our military to NOT do their job when the country is threatened? We are NOT the abusive wife who lets her husband beat her senseless because of Stockholm Syndrome, we're the friend who comes in and decks that m**********r because what he is doing is wrong. All the US is doing is letting people know that they can go ahead and attack us, the Government will keep the dogs locked up and the doors unlocked for you!
One of the biggest and most painfully obvious signs of how utterly and disgustingly disconnected and ignorant of our idiocy is the VA system. The way the government and people almost purposefully ignore the real mental health issues that plague our veterans (and the rest of the country) and continue to just slap the service men and women of the US by allowing such disgusting travesties to continue is just appalling. A good amount of veterans I know are suffering and having difficulty maintaining proper lives because the VA can't get its crap together to help them when they need it! I think I should stop ranting now before I burst a blood vessel...
Semper Fidelis to our fellow Marines on the forum and I thank you for your service to the country, in protecting our freedoms, and each other out in that hell hole; may you all come home safe and victorious! Oorah
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The problems in the US Military are a symptom of the country's politics and core issues; it plagues the ranks just as much as it does the civilians. I have nothing but the utmost respect and admiration for the honorable soldiers who fight for our freedom and their families; unfortunately I have met many and heard stories of many more injustices and criminals who have stained the name of the US Military as a whole. I remember almost 6~7years ago I was visiting Fallbrook and one of my family members told me of a fellow Marine had been murdered on Base because his fellow corpsmen found out he was homosexual. This was a man who served 2 tours in the sandbox, did his country proud and was thinking of a third tour; his reward? His fellow Marines murder him in cold blood and their courtmartial gets stalled so they can be sent back into the field! There's issues with various other forms of discrimination and violence and complete lack of enforcement that follows these acts; I don't want to delve too deep into it, but the reality is that these dishonorable people who have infected the military are there because of horrid politics that the US Government AND the US People have allowed to happen.
Yes when it comes to the military, the US people are grossly disconnected and the politicians even more so. The US people throw their hard fought freedoms away in the name of "fighting terrorists" but when the time to put the pay the bills on new weapons, armour, and technology to protect our troops out over the seas; Congress and the people suddenly don't want to "do whatever it takes." I may not agree with the war or the reasons we went out there, but it absolutely disgusted me that when the US cried "we will do whatever it takes" that battle cry quickly disseminated into nothing when we realized that it'd actually cost us to take care of the brave men and women fighting out there. The worst part? The US Military and the Government have been aware of the fact that our military lacked proper equipment, training, and technology to fight in Guerrilla Warfare like what we saw in the Middle East since the COLD WAR! Military analysts, generals, and others all made it clear that the face of warfare was changing and that what we see today is how wars will be fought; what did the politicians and government do? Nothing... they waited over 5 years before they finally got off their asses to properly protect our troops after we landed in Iraq; after we lost thousands needlessly because of foot dragging and idiots in plush chairs.
Budgetary concerns aren't even the tip of that iceberg, you only need to look at how we approach foreign relations to see how weak the US has become. Am I saying we need to start a war with everyone who pokes us? No, but the reality is that we got badly burned with the Iraq War; it stained our country and our reputation. So instead of trying to learn from it and to find a better medium, we swung all the way from "Gung-Ho lets start some war!" to "We're going to be passive and borderline isolationist." Our foreign policy is ridiculously all over the place, there should never be a reason for our military to surrender their weapons to another military force, EVER. Holster them, keep the safeties on, hell keep them in Condition 3 or 4; but let the soldiers be ready to do their duty if shit hits the fan. Giving up our weapons in a hot zone is the same as surrendering those troops lives (lets be realistic that entire area is one big hot zone with every US man and woman having a giant target on their backs) its a tactical and political mistake of great proportions. Am I saying we need to be an occupying force ready to storm the castle at a moment's notice? No, but it is idiotic to send troops in without a way to defend themselves; there's no one we can trust out there and removing our fangs isn't helping anyone.
Which brings me up to the next point... why the US Government feels the need to neuter our military's capability and undermine our reputation as a strong and swift fighting force has be completely bewildered. I understand the frustration and desire to pull out of the mess we made with our country's poor planning and idiotic politicians creating an over decade long war; but that's no excuse to leave our drawers dropped to the enemy. We don't have to go to war, but we better damn well respond when people attack us or our allies. What kind of message does it give the rest of the world when the US Government forces our military to NOT do their job when the country is threatened? We are NOT the abusive wife who lets her husband beat her senseless because of Stockholm Syndrome, we're the friend who comes in and decks that m**********r because what he is doing is wrong. All the US is doing is letting people know that they can go ahead and attack us, the Government will keep the dogs locked up and the doors unlocked for you!
One of the biggest and most painfully obvious signs of how utterly and disgustingly disconnected and ignorant of our idiocy is the VA system. The way the government and people almost purposefully ignore the real mental health issues that plague our veterans (and the rest of the country) and continue to just slap the service men and women of the US by allowing such disgusting travesties to continue is just appalling. A good amount of veterans I know are suffering and having difficulty maintaining proper lives because the VA can't get its crap together to help them when they need it! I think I should stop ranting now before I burst a blood vessel...
Semper Fidelis to our fellow Marines on the forum and I thank you for your service to the country, in protecting our freedoms, and each other out in that hell hole; may you all come home safe and victorious! Oorah
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