More V8 4th Gen Towing: 31" Travel Trailer

DoctorPopcorn

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Before attempting this, I scoured T4R.org, the Googles & YouTube trying to see if I could find anyone that's done something similar. Plenty of 16' - 22' travel trailers, and utility trailers. I bought my Innsbruck Lite 269BHL in January '19, and subsequently bought a '97 K2500 Suburban with the 5.7 V8 to fix up and have as my tow rig. Long story short, the K2500 is gone, and I had only towed the Innsbruck twice with it. Both times were not great experiences. Had new rear HD shocks, brake controller and a HaulMaster weigh distributing hitch, but I still experienced a good amount of sway and they were white-knuckling experiences, but they shouldn't have been. Maybe I didn't have the WDH dialed in correctly... I don't know.

Flash forward to my '05 V8 4x4 Sport that I got August 2020. I bought this while my '98 was down and needed/wanted a 4th gen. I never planned for this rig to tow the Innsbruck, but it came with the 7K tow package (7-pin trailer harness, tranny cooler, trailer brake controller hookup). But, I still prepared for it. Did the IronMan lift 3" with 440-880 lb rear springs, put on some 10 ply WildPeaks (my dream tires), and put in a budget Tekonsha brake controller. Then, I lucked out and found the fancy, thicc Addco rear sway bar for $20 on FB Marketplace and put that sucker in. What a huge difference.

2012 Innsbruck Lite Specs
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Anyway, flash forward to this past weekend and preparing to tow my 31' Innsbruck with the '05. The trailer is rated at 6,110 lbs dry and an 820 lb tongue weight. I figure we were sitting at 6,600 lbs max with what we had packed in the trailer. Now I had hauled just under 1000 lbs of cement and 4x4s in the back of the truck before and it barely squatted, but I was terrified to try this. Filled the Wildpeaks up to 56 psi front, 58 psi rear, but on the disgraceful-looking strap-on tow mirror extenders, and put the WDH on the truck. I was prepared to adjust the hitch from last being on the K2500, but after the setup math, the hitch ball was 1/2" below what the math said. Brought all my tools, but the nuts for the hitch are like 30mm hexes. I forgot those at home. Big deal, it'll be fine. Hooked up the trailer (all trailer tires perfect at 52 psi, spare filled-up), brought it up the hill in 4LO, no problems. Got it to level ground, trailer tongue back on the jack, hooked up the anti-sway arms and voila! Looked great. Tested the brake controller going back down the hill. Perfect. Got on the road, dumped the gray and black holding tanks, less than 1/4 of the 55 gal freshwater tank full, the trailer pulled great.

All hitched-up & adjusted (mostly)
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Front:
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Rear:
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30' 8" Length of the Innsbruck (for effect):
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Takeaways:
Towed in 4, OD off, the entire time. Takeoffs are obviously slow. Mileage, obviously abysmal. It took 5/8s of a tank to go 100 miles, at 7.8 mpgs. On hills, I preloaded my speed and kept a level throttle all the way through the hills. Braking with the controller was great, even for such a cheap unit, had to dial in the gain and boost a bit, but worked well. Through the entire experience, the most frustrating part was keeping a matched speed with traffic. Sedans ahead of us on rural WI highways dipping down to 50 mph and then back up to 65, it takes some time getting back up to speed and not increasing the revs to 4500.

Sway and control:
I could not believe how stable the truck felt. I guess the combination of the 440-880 lb springs and having the WDH mostly-properly adjusted did the trick. The truck hardly squatted, and sway was well controlled. I'll still consider installing the extra sway control arm for more peace of mind towing in windier conditions.

Our trip was just over 150 miles, mostly single-lane highways with WI hills and some 65 mpg split highways. I fully realize that the 4th gen isn't the safest tow rig for this application, and will never plan on cross-country trips with this setup, but for 150-200 mile jaunts through the Midwest, it seems doable, so far.
 
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Wow! That’s kind of a big trailer for a 4runner.

FWIW, I tow a 30’ Grand Design Imagine with my Tundra but I don’t think I’d try it with my 4th gen although, it has towed its fair share of trailers over the years.
 
GD man, I thought it was a model 31ft. Looking at the specs it shows a 26ft (I know, I know 31ft overall). We're buying a 26ft Grand Design soon and will be buying a used 08' Tundra to to with.....2670MK | Grand Design

Our current 06' V6 just doesn't have the heavy enough suspension with just FJ springs in the rear to tow it with...Also only have P rated 31.5's. The ADDCO swaybar is a great idea for towing. The Tundra didn't come with a swaybar stock so there's a TRD and a Hellwig you can buy for it, I'm definitely getting one.
 
Well I'm impressed, good job, but as you stated the 4Th gen T4R is not the best tow rig for that trailer in a long haul, for several reasons.
 
Wow! That’s kind of a big trailer for a 4runner.

FWIW, I tow a 30’ Grand Design Imagine with my Tundra but I don’t think I’d try it with my 4th gen although, it has towed its fair share of trailers over the years.

It IS too big of a trailer for any T4R lol. Exactly a tundra or any other longer wheel-based truck with leaf springs is the proper way to tow something of this length. I think within the next few years we'll have a 2nd gen Tundra in the fleet to properly tow the Innsbruck. For the few trips a year though (mostly the 10 mi roundtrips for dumping the tanks) we're going to have to swing it.
 
GD man, I thought it was a model 31ft. Looking at the specs it shows a 26ft (I know, I know 31ft overall). We're buying a 26ft Grand Design soon and will be buying a used 08' Tundra to to with.....2670MK | Grand Design

Our current 06' V6 just doesn't have the heavy enough suspension with just FJ springs in the rear to tow it with...Also only have P rated 31.5's. The ADDCO swaybar is a great idea for towing. The Tundra didn't come with a swaybar stock so there's a TRD and a Hellwig you can buy for it, I'm definitely getting one.

Damn, those are nice rigs, that'll be a nice setup, and a 2nd gen Tundra will be perfect to tow with- plenty of buffer room in the towing capacity. That's my plan, too, within the next few years.

Yeah, I really couldn't imagine trying to tow it with a V6 anything. Besides having the wrong truck for the job, I've tried to upgrade as much as fiscally possible to make it safer for the few trips we'll haul it, but I've been pleasantly surprised with the IronMan HD rear springs, even being more harsh when not hauling. Definitely, the beefier swaybars can make a huge difference for towing. You'll have to supercharge the '08 while you're at it!

Funny story, when I first got the camper, I hooked it up to my '98 with the 330lb - GVW 2906 OME springs and 1.5" rear spacer and the truck sagged down to just about stock height. I only towed it down to the end of the driveway and back in LO, but it felt like a pushback towing a 747 lol.
 
Damn, those are nice rigs, that'll be a nice setup, and a 2nd gen Tundra will be perfect to tow with- plenty of buffer room in the towing capacity. That's my plan, too, within the next few years.

Yeah, I really couldn't imagine trying to tow it with a V6 anything. Besides having the wrong truck for the job, I've tried to upgrade as much as fiscally possible to make it safer for the few trips we'll haul it, but I've been pleasantly surprised with the IronMan HD rear springs, even being more harsh when not hauling. Definitely, the beefier swaybars can make a huge difference for towing. You'll have to supercharge the '08 while you're at it!

Funny story, when I first got the camper, I hooked it up to my '98 with the 330lb - GVW 2906 OME springs and 1.5" rear spacer and the truck sagged down to just about stock height. I only towed it down to the end of the driveway and back in LO, but it felt like a pushback towing a 747 lol.

I wish I had spent more time upgrading the 4Runner to my towing needs but it's still just outclassed and not really fit for my needs. The V6 is able to tow in 4th but it's just the suspension that is unfit. I tow about 5-10 times a summer in relatively flat Central Ontario, this is my current rig: 2018 Forest River Salem Cruise Lite 201BHXL specs and literature guide

The Tundra has a leveling kit in the front and 33" E rated tires, it should be fine with my WDH from the 4Runner. The supercharger would be nice but it won't be needed for what I use the truck for.
 
Well I'm impressed, good job, but as you stated the 4Th gen T4R is not the best tow rig for that trailer in a long haul, for several reasons.

It is definitely not the ideal tow rig for this size of camper. The 2nd gen Tundra, or bigger, has been added into the 5-year plan.
 
It is definitely not the ideal tow rig for this size of camper. The 2nd gen Tundra, or bigger, has been added into the 5-year plan.

When you get there, you’ll love how the tundra tows. It’s the best overall towing half ton truck out there. Way more stable than my previous 1/2 ton fords or chevys.
 
1992 Z71 chevy, 2004 Z71 chevy, 2012 F150 max tow ecoboost. Those trucks were my personal trucks but I’ve towed with little S10/Rangers up to F750/Kodiak medium duty trucks.

I'm surprised to hear the Tundra towed better than an 12' Ecoboost. The max tow should be stable and very powerful.
 
Your thread headline has a typo. I could tow a 31” TT with my bike. ;-)

I’ve resisted mentioning the 31” TT in the title. I’m glad someone else did.

I had a Spinal Tap flashback when I read it! (For those who haven’t seen the movie, the band mistakenly orders an 18” tall model of Stonehenge for their set, not 18’.)
 
I wish I had spent more time upgrading the 4Runner to my towing needs but it's still just outclassed and not really fit for my needs. The V6 is able to tow in 4th but it's just the suspension that is unfit. I tow about 5-10 times a summer in relatively flat Central Ontario, this is my current rig: 2018 Forest River Salem Cruise Lite 201BHXL specs and literature guide

The Tundra has a leveling kit in the front and 33" E rated tires, it should be fine with my WDH from the 4Runner. The supercharger would be nice but it won't be needed for what I use the truck for.

Totally. As long as you've got the Tundra, not really worth the time outfitting the 4th gen to tow. That's also a nice rig, and the Lite models are just nicer to tow usually.

That's a good setup, all set with tires. I suppose it's not a race truck, and only more to go wrong with a SC. I was unsure how the 255/80/17s
would do, being a tall skinny, as I had the same 235/85/16s on my '97 K2500 and then were just too skinny and squirrely for such a stout frame. The 255s are nice and planted though.
 
I'm surprised to hear the Tundra towed better than an 12' Ecoboost. The max tow should be stable and very powerful.

When my former ecoboost was running right, yes it did have more power than the 5.7 in the tundra, especially towing at higher elevation. However, I had a number of times that it decided to not run right and it did not have very much power. The lack of reliability became an issue quickly with that truck.

Stability when towing was another issue. The stock P series Goodyear tires on that truck were a joke. Some LT Toyos made it better but it still felt like driving a wet noodle when towing. There was also more bed bounce/wiggle/frame flex on my f150 than my tundra has. The frame flex didn’t bug me, I’ve driven a wide range of trucks over the years and the older trucks have a ton of frame flex. What bugged me was FoMoCo made a big deal about it saying the f150 had almost no flex, well, they should’ve tested the truck I bought because it had a ridiculous amount of frame flex and bed movement. While I know the frame flexes on the tundra, with the TRDP shocks and better, longer, stronger shackles that I can grease, there’s very little perceived bed movement and the ride is much more stable both towing and unloaded.
 

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