Right now I am running the Icon rear springs. When I just went on a trip with the back semi-loaded with luggage the back seamed to sag a bit. Are there other springs out there that are stiffer for heavier loads anyone might recommend? Just curious if anyone else has had this problem.
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bernardmwrangle
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I have the OME Medium springs, they barely sag with a very full load (three passengers, back full of gear, rack full of gear, tools, and the trail wheelbarrow). The OME Heavies must be pretty stiff.
4Run4YourLife
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Can you use the Airlift 1000 with your ICON setup?
SOcalTRAIL
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The Icon Bypass shocks I run in the rear with the OME 896's are extended over OEM length by about 1.5". At full droop the OME spring is still under tension in the coil bucket, can't say how much tension, but they have never popped out:cheers:
Even with a full load of camping gear, my rear bumper and tire carrier and full size spare hanging off the back, those springs only sag maaaaaybe a half inch or so. They are pretty stout compared to the Icons. I would bottom out with the Icons springs in the back with a similar load if I went over dips and such.
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Let me start by saying thanks to Andrew and Jason for their patients with my questions.
I am now on the fence on the 898's with some folks telling me they will be too stiff. I have heard from some folks that the 896's would be good, but they are listed as 2" lift springs and are the HD ones for the Gen 4. Has anybody decided to swap out the ICON rear springs for the Gen 5 listed OME 889's (the medium duty ones) and can provide any idea if they really are 3 " springs and with a full load how they compare to the ICON ones?
I am trying to avoid buying springs, installing them, not being happy with them and not being able to return them either.
I am now on the fence on the 898's with some folks telling me they will be too stiff. I have heard from some folks that the 896's would be good, but they are listed as 2" lift springs and are the HD ones for the Gen 4. Has anybody decided to swap out the ICON rear springs for the Gen 5 listed OME 889's (the medium duty ones) and can provide any idea if they really are 3 " springs and with a full load how they compare to the ICON ones?
I am trying to avoid buying springs, installing them, not being happy with them and not being able to return them either.
Canazes9
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Have you considered contacting Deavers and having custom coils made?
Deaver Suspension
That is the route I am going on the low lift Icon suspension set-up that I'm having installed on my wife's '13 SR5 T4R. In our case,she wants the Icon ride without the large lift - about 1.5" front, 0.75"rear and she wanted to be able to load gear in the back/tow a small trailer without a lot of sag. There wasn't a ready made spring available.
I called Deavers and discussed with them and they listened, asked a few more questions, made some suggestions. I placed the order a few weeks ago and should have my springs soon. If you get them the part #'s for the current Icon springs, accurate information about what it's doing (measured sag, actual weight involved, etc.) and tell them exactly how much lift you want they will make you a set of springs exactly for your application.
Want 2.75" lift with 15% increased spring rate? 3.1" lift with 25" increased spring rate? Etc.. - No problem! They can give you good advice on how much increased spring rate also based on the sag and weight information you give them.
I have NOT gotten my springs yet, so I can't tell you if they've matched expectations yet, but they were very easy to work with. If you wait a couple of weeks, the lift should be installed and I can tell you what I think of the springs.
David
That is an interesting idea I had not come across yet. I am still hoping to find something out there that fits my needs, but if I strike out then I may have to call Deavers. Thanks for the suggestion.
SOcalTRAIL
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I run the 896's with a full steel rear bumper, and tire carrier with a 33" spare hanging out back. To me, the springs are borderline too heavy even with that load. When I have the rear loaded up for trips and a couple people in the car, it feels about right. I got about 2.5" of lift over OEM springs and about .75" more than the Icon springs I had on previously. I swapped to the OME springs because I was bottoming out the Icon Springs too easily. I believe the Icon springs are around a 215# spring compared to the OME 896 springs which are 318. and OEM springs which are around 180# I think... they may be less.
So here is how it breaks down:
Here is a photo of the OEM Toyota Spring on the left, Icon in the middle, and OME 896 on the right.
So the OME 896 and 898 are both 318# springs, referred to as heavy springs. The 896's net around 2.5" +/- of lift and the 898's net around 3.0" +/- lift
The OME 889 and 895 are both 260# springs, referred to as medium springs. 889's are meant for a 3" or so lift, the 895's are closer to 2.5" lift depending on other factors.
Lastly, you have the XXL ultra heavy OME springs - The 897 and the 899. The are both 387# springs and provide approx. 2.5" and 3" of lift, respectively. I can't imagine a scenario where those would be wanted, except someone who had their truck loaded down to the max and was towing...
I would look at the 889's or 885's if I were you. Even with all the weight I have on my truck, I may swap the 896's out for the 889's here soon for a bit better flex and softer ride.
PS-
I have also ran the OEM springs with spacers:
And I had a custom set of Deavers wound up, which were sent back shortly after. They were way to stiff and cost 2x as much as the Icon or OME springs. Not worth it to get custom springs would unless you are doing something truly custom with a different shock setup or something. There are plenty of viable options in spring rates and lift heights out there to satify 99.99% of the market.
Here are the Deavers:
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Wow, that was a breakdown. THANKS. I think I am set on the 889 medium duty springs now. Also, any idea why I can't see the pictures you posted. It's funny I can see some peoples and not other peoples.
I run the 896's with a full steel rear bumper, and tire carrier with a 33" spare hanging out back. To me, the springs are borderline too heavy even with that load. When I have the rear loaded up for trips and a couple people in the car, it feels about right. I got about 2.5" of lift over OEM springs and about .75" more than the Icon springs I had on previously. I swapped to the OME springs because I was bottoming out the Icon Springs too easily. I believe the Icon springs are around a 215# spring compared to the OME 896 springs which are 318. and OEM springs which are around 180# I think... they may be less.
So here is how it breaks down:
Here is a photo of the OEM Toyota Spring on the left, Icon in the middle, and OME 896 on the right.
So the OME 896 and 898 are both 318# springs, referred to as heavy springs. The 896's net around 2.5" +/- of lift and the 898's net around 3.0" +/- lift
The OME 889 and 895 are both 260# springs, referred to as medium springs. 889's are meant for a 3" or so lift, the 895's are closer to 2.5" lift depending on other factors.
Lastly, you have the XXL ultra heavy OME springs - The 897 and the 899. The are both 387# springs and provide approx. 2.5" and 3" of lift, respectively. I can't imagine a scenario where those would be wanted, except someone who had their truck loaded down to the max and was towing...
I would look at the 889's or 885's if I were you. Even with all the weight I have on my truck, I may swap the 896's out for the 889's here soon for a bit better flex and softer ride.
PS-
I have also ran the OEM springs with spacers:
And I had a custom set of Deavers wound up, which were sent back shortly after. They were way to stiff and cost 2x as much as the Icon or OME springs. Not worth it to get custom springs would unless you are doing something truly custom with a different shock setup or something. There are plenty of viable options in spring rates and lift heights out there to satify 99.99% of the market.
Here are the Deavers:
Canazes9
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I run the 896's with a full steel rear bumper, and tire carrier with a 33" spare hanging out back. To me, the springs are borderline too heavy even with that load. When I have the rear loaded up for trips and a couple people in the car, it feels about right. I got about 2.5" of lift over OEM springs and about .75" more than the Icon springs I had on previously. I swapped to the OME springs because I was bottoming out the Icon Springs too easily. I believe the Icon springs are around a 215# spring compared to the OME 896 springs which are 318. and OEM springs which are around 180# I think... they may be less.
So here is how it breaks down:
Here is a photo of the OEM Toyota Spring on the left, Icon in the middle, and OME 896 on the right.
So the OME 896 and 898 are both 318# springs, referred to as heavy springs. The 896's net around 2.5" +/- of lift and the 898's net around 3.0" +/- lift
The OME 889 and 895 are both 260# springs, referred to as medium springs. 889's are meant for a 3" or so lift, the 895's are closer to 2.5" lift depending on other factors.
Lastly, you have the XXL ultra heavy OME springs - The 897 and the 899. The are both 387# springs and provide approx. 2.5" and 3" of lift, respectively. I can't imagine a scenario where those would be wanted, except someone who had their truck loaded down to the max and was towing...
I would look at the 889's or 885's if I were you. Even with all the weight I have on my truck, I may swap the 896's out for the 889's here soon for a bit better flex and softer ride.
PS-
I have also ran the OEM springs with spacers:
And I had a custom set of Deavers wound up, which were sent back shortly after. They were way to stiff and cost 2x as much as the Icon or OME springs. Not worth it to get custom springs would unless you are doing something truly custom with a different shock setup or something. There are plenty of viable options in spring rates and lift heights out there to satify 99.99% of the market.
Here are the Deavers:
That's interesting, hopefully I'll be happier with mine. You are the only person I've known (besides myself) that has ordered Deaver coils. Known quite a few folks that purchased the Deaver leaf springs and were very happy with them. My springs weren't 2x Icon or OME, they were about 50% more, not that much to get what I wanted (if I get it!).
What did you request Deaver make for your springs?
David
eddiebx
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Maybe [MENTION=74569]SOcalTRAIL[/MENTION] asked for it to be extra beefy, cuz that's how he rolls :crazy:
David, when you ordered your springs, did you specifically ask for a % stiffer than stock, or an actual spring rate value, like xxx in/lb? Curious to know exactly what is the value of a stock rear spring. Hopefully, Deaver knows, because 15% stiffer could mean anything depending on what the base value is, lol.
SOcalTRAIL
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One thing to Keep in mind is Deaver doesn't actually do coil springs, they contract with Coil spring Specialties for coil winds. They are more well known for their leaf spring packs as you mentioned, and I also had on an 05' Tacoma which were outstanding!
As for my spring order, I worked with the guys from both Deaver and CSS to come up with a sort of medium duty spring custom tailored to the additional weight I was loaded with. I gave them a break down of the gear that was added to my truck that went with me everywhere and the weight it added, then a run down of the gear I pack for trips as well as my current curb weight, they did the calculations based on the percentage of weigh added and the OEM spring rates and my desired ride height. I have no clue as to what spring rate then ended up with. The ride height was spot on but it felt like I was running around on locomotive springs, to say they were stiff was an understatement. It was insane! I was the first 5th gen they had done although they had done a few 3 and 4 gen trucks. Hopefully you have better luck! I will say this, both Deaver and CSS provided EXCELLENT customer service and went out of their way to help me out, and gladly accepted the return when the springs wouldn't work.
Extra beefy it is, sir!
That is exactly the problem. I have heard and seen values ranging from 150 lb springs to 190 lb springs for the 5th gen trucks. Not sure if the trim (SR5 Limited, 4x4, Trail, etc) makes a difference. Like you said, with a 150# spring at a 15% increase you get a 172.5# spring.... at the opposite end of the spectrum if you take the high number of 190 and go 15% above that you get 218.5# spring.... That is a pretty big difference.
Canazes9
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I ordered them 15% stiffer and a 1/2" taller than stock. They required the stock part # (which my tire shop buddy supplied) and they looked it up, said they knew exactly what it was. They told me that combination should give ~0.75" lift in the back. I told them I just wanted them slightly stiffer than stock to help compensate for the saggy feeling in the rear that leveled trucks get (raising the front shifts the weight slightly rearward). They told me they could change it by any % I wanted, but generally speaking 15% is the minimal amount to be able to feel any difference (as in a 10% increase in spring rate might not be noticeable).
Hopefully they will be what I want. At the end of the day, nothing ventured nothing gained - paying an extra $100 for coil springs isn't gonna break me :becky:.
David
SOcalTRAIL
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Let us know how they work out!
Canazes9
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Will do. I'm experimenting, I know - might work out, might be a disaster. Won't know till I try. I didn't see that anyone had attempted to do exactly what I was trying to do before so I figured I would give it a shot. Worst case scenario, they're wrong and I've got to send them back. Little money and time wasted, certainly won't be a first for me :biggrin2:.
David
eddiebx
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Maybe you will have better luck since you didn't ask them to bump up the spring rate too much. Before and after shots when you are done please, I shall live vicariously through your wallet
RedStripeRanger
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Bring this one back around- trying to get some recommendations on rear springs. Currently running the Icon Stage-2 2" lift springs and the sag at full expo weight. Looking for a 3" lift that when loaded down will around 2" (leveling the rig).
Expo weight includes (roughly): 15-gallons of water, Autohome RTT, ARB Frig, Dogs (3 ~70lbs each), Tools, Camping Gear, Food/Beer, 2 people, MaxTrax, and 8-gallons of fuel to name just a few. I did a rough estimate of all this added weight and comes to just shy of 1200lbs.
When unloaded/daily driving the extra weight is about 600lbs.
My question- should I go with the OME 898s (440lb constant), 899 (880lb constant), or the Icon Overland Spring?
Thanks for the help!
Bring this one back around- trying to get some recommendations on rear springs. Currently running the Icon Stage-2 2" lift springs and the sag at full expo weight. Looking for a 3" lift that when loaded down will around 2" (leveling the rig).
Expo weight includes (roughly): 15-gallons of water, Autohome RTT, ARB Frig, Dogs (3 ~70lbs each), Tools, Camping Gear, Food/Beer, 2 people, MaxTrax, and 8-gallons of fuel to name just a few. I did a rough estimate of all this added weight and comes to just shy of 1200lbs.
When unloaded/daily driving the extra weight is about 600lbs.
My question- should I go with the OME 898s (440lb constant), 899 (880lb constant), or the Icon Overland Spring?
Thanks for the help!
