Murder or Travyon Martin

From the facts that we know, should George Zimmerman be charged with murder?

  • Yes

    Votes: 23 46.0%
  • No

    Votes: 27 54.0%

  • Total voters
    50
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Z left his car, against the suggestion of the dispatcher. He was the aggressor in that sense. We will never know an exact account of what happened, because one person involved is dead. If Z never left the car, Trayvon is still alive. Bottom line, Z leaving his car, following Trayvon (which he admitted to doing on the tapes) led to the death, which Z should be held accountable for.
 
Even if Z was attacked and puched, it was after hunting T in the dark for several blocks, following him on foot with a loaded pistal and hunting him down even after the police told him not to pursue. These purported new facts do not vindicate Z from a manslaughter charge.

Z is obviously a pretty sad sack of a human being, weighing in a 250 lbs vs T @ 170 lbs, once he gets pulled into a fistfight he pulls a gun and kills the younger kid who was armed with skittles and an iced tea.

Yes I think this is a tragedy.
 
I could care less about your patience...but have we heard everything?? Isnt there more info coming forth (e.g. Another 911 call)?? Grand jury will be provided full evidence on both sides.

Tragic only if Z did kill the teenager wrongfully. Otherwise, it is not for me.... So many lawyers and 1st hand eye witness of the event on this forum!!! I am impress!
 
Why is it so hard for people to understand we are stating our opinions on here? When did we ever say that we were trying to bar Zimmerman from a fair trial? No one said that, we are just upset that NO MORE EVIDENCE has come out other than Zimmerman killing an innocent kid.

Obviously you are frustrated because you can't comprehend what you read. I would be frustrated too if I read through this thread and then got the notion that someone said they were a first hand witness to the event. There is a difference between knowing what happened and deducing what happened based on the FACTS that are out. What we are doing is deducing what happened based on what we know.

Some people want this guy to be innocent so badly. Seems like they want an innocent kid being killed to be justified.

To each his own.
 
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Tragic only if Z did kill the teenager wrongfully. Otherwise, it is not for me...

Well at least you have now shared your opinion instead of vague questions. Personnally, I think the word -wrongfully- will come down to state law but since we are stating our opinions on this thread I will say that it was wrongful.

Thai, do you think based on what little we know, that shooting a kid armed with skittles is ever right? I believe it is manslaughter.
 
If the kid with skittles is the attacker, then what candies he/she has in the pocket is irrelevant. You can't turn to physical violence even if you think that someone is following you, no matter how overweight or aged the victim is. And I really want more evidence than the kid's girlfriend testimony before putting Z on death row!!! You guys are gullible.
 
If the kid with skittles is the attacker, then what candies he/she has in the pocket is irrelevant. You can't turn to physical violence even if you think that someone is following you, no matter how overweight or aged the victim is. And I really want more evidence than the kid's girlfriend testimony before putting Z on death row!!! You guys are gullible.

But in Florida, apparently you can. There is no duty to retreat with Stand Your Ground. If you feel threatened, you can kill and claim self defense. So why can't you defend yourself non lethally if you feel threatened by someone following you? The problem here is, Z followed T, confronted, and when he was getting beat up, killed T. You cannot claim self defense if you are the aggressor!

Stated by Z in the 911 tapes..."he is running away...I am following him" That is when the dispatcher asks, and then says that Z should not follow Trayvon. Z himself indicated that Trayvon ran away, and that he was following him, chasing him down.
 
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I love "news" stories with no sources.
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I think you just want to argue about everything. I don't.

I think it's interesting that as more information is released and the puzzle pieces are coming together, the number of No votes have increased. Don't think you can accurately say all 9 of those are trolls. I also find it incredible that there is now a bounty on Zs head and nobody is outraged by the Black Panthers' vigilantism.

In other news, Wednesday March 21 marked 100 homicides in Chicago for 2012 - 17 in the last week, and the fastest time the 100 mark has been reached in nearly a decade. March 18, a 6-year old girl was shot multiple times, fatally. Through March 21, 33 homicides were recorded for the month alone.

Where's the outrage, protests, national media coverage, vigilante-style bounties, or the 100 million Internet experts with only 1/2 the story? You've all been PRed and deceived and you're taking it hook, line, and sinker.

At last count, the federal government, justice department, and state law enforcement are in the process of investigating this case. They have a well documented process (that none of us can speak as experts on), more facts than any of us have, and more resources to devote to this (beyond what's being reported on the 5:00 news). We have no other option but to let them do their job, then deal with the decisions that are made. This thread has so much misinformation in it, not referenced by credible sources, that it's astonishing.
 
Any different than 99.999999% of what I have read in this thread?

Hmmm... Let's see. I don't claim to be a news agency.

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I think it's interesting that as more information is released and the puzzle pieces are coming together, the number of No votes have increased. Don't think you can accurately say all 9 of those are trolls. I also find it incredible that there is now a bounty on Zs head and nobody is outraged by the Black Panthers' vigilantism.

In other news, Wednesday March 21 marked 100 homicides in Chicago for 2012 - 17 in the last week, and the fastest time the 100 mark has been reached in nearly a decade. March 18, a 6-year old girl was shot multiple times, fatally. Through March 21, 33 homicides were recorded for the month alone.

Where's the outrage, protests, national media coverage, vigilante-style bounties, or the 100 million Internet experts with only 1/2 the story? You've all been PRed and deceived and you're taking it hook, line, and sinker.

At last count, the federal government, justice department, and state law enforcement are in the process of investigating this case. They have a well documented process (that none of us can speak as experts on), more facts than any of us have, and more resources to devote to this (beyond what's being reported on the 5:00 news). We have no other option but to let them do their job, then deal with the decisions that are made. This thread has so much misinformation in it, not referenced by credible sources, that it's astonishing.

RunninInGA said:
This post will be my last on the subject.

Wha wha what?

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Part of me wonders if it wasn't someone trolling.

Don't remember being the one who introduced the idea of the single "No" being a troll. Regardless, obviously the story that came out this weekend with no sources have finally given all the people who want to justify Zimmerman's actions what they need to do so.

Trying to diminish my outrage in this case because I am not outraged by the murders in Chicago is idiotic.
 
And yet one let's sensationalism rule one's opinion without any facts.

If you open your ears you'd hear the 911 tapes. Too hard for someone who is hell bent on Zimmerman being innocent to do, apparently.
 
Regardless, obviously the story that came out this weekend with no sources have finally given all the people who want to justify Zimmerman's actions what they need to do so.

Just like 1/2 the story justified yours early on?

Being outraged (ie controlled by the hype) regarding 1 murder while ignoring 100 others in another part of the same society is idiotic.

Also read somewhere today that Ts mother is now trying to copyright 2 slogans related to this case. Is she trying to profit from the tragedy?
 
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Just like 1/2 the story justified yours early on?

Being outraged (ie controlled by the hype) regarding 1 murder while ignoring 100 others in another part of the same society is idiotic.

Also read somewhere today that Ts mother is now trying to copyright 2 slogans related to this case. Is she trying to profit from the tragedy?

Maybe. It's about the only thing she can get from the case because until the Feds stepped up, it was looking like she certainly wasn't going to get justice or even a real investigation.

There is nothing illegal about profiting from your sons death. There is something illegal about instigating a fight and killing said son.

By your argument, if I am not outraged by EVERYTHING that is messed up in society, I am an idiot. Got me.
 
Maybe. It's about the only thing she can get from the case because until the Feds stepped up, it was looking like she certainly wasn't going to get justice or even a real investigation.

There is nothing illegal about profiting from your sons death. There is something illegal about instigating a fight and killing said son.

By your argument, if I am not outraged by EVERYTHING that is messed up in society, I am an idiot. Got me.

I prefer the term misguided. If you like idiot, who am I to stop you? Nothing illegal about profiting from death, true, but immoral and potentially indicative nonetheless.
 
I prefer the term misguided. If you like idiot, who am I to stop you? Nothing illegal about profiting from death, true, but immoral and potentially indicative nonetheless.

All about being childish tonight aren't we.

In other news, Colbert is especially good for those of you on the West coast.

The Word -> Shoot Now, Ask Questions Never ->A Case of He Said, He Dead.

Very excellent.
 
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