Murder or Travyon Martin

[RunninInGA]

Suppose this guy is wrong too?

Excited to learn how you guys are gonna bend and twist this one to meet your and your medias agendas. olice:

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Zimmerman_Martin_shooting.pdf

Fellow Citizens:
There has been a lot of media attention to the recent incident where George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin. This is indeed a tragic situation and has caused a flood of questions and strong emotions from within our community, the region and nation. On behalf of the employees of the City of Sanford, Our deepest sympathy and prayers go out to the family and friends of Trayvon Martin. As a father, I can only image the pain Trayvon’s family must be going through. The City of Sanford is committed to insuring that justice is served and, therefore, the City of Sanford has contacted the United States Attorney General’s Office for assistance in this matter.
In an effort to continue to be as responsive as possible to the public seeking information on the incident, I have asked Chief Lee to provide answers to some of the most frequently asked questions regarding this matter. Below are his responses. Please understand that since this is still an ongoing investigation, the Police Department is limited in what information it can publicly release.
The men and women of the Sanford Police Department extend our heartfelt sympathies to the Martin family. This is indeed a tragic situation. The death of anyone due to violence, especially a 17 year old young man, is morally appalling. As this incident has generated a lot of media attention, we wanted to provide answers to some of the most frequently asked questions.
Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED from making an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, when any police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/she is making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously and in bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable.
According to Florida Statute 776.032 :
776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use
of force.—
(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
Why weren’t the 911 tapes initially released?
There are exemptions to the public records laws for active criminal intelligence and for ongoing investigations. In this instance, the 911 calls made by neighbors in the subdivision, and the non-emergency call made by Mr. Zimmerman are all key to the investigation by Sanford Police Department. In consultation with the Office of the State Attorney, the Sanford police department had decided not to release the audio recordings of the 911 calls due to the ongoing investigation. Many times, specific information is contained in those recordings which is vital to the integrity of the investigation. At the time, it was determined that if revealed, the information may compromise the integrity of the investigation prior to its completion. The 911 tapes have since been released.
Why did Mr. Zimmerman have a firearm in his possession while acting in the role of a neighborhood watch member?
Mr. Zimmerman holds a concealed weapon permit issued from the State of Florida. He is authorized to carry the weapon in a concealed manner wherever Florida Statute dictates. Neighborhood Watch programs are designed for members of a neighborhood to be “eyes and ears” for police and to watch out for their neighbors. They are not members of the Police Department nor are they vigilantes. Training provided by law enforcement agencies to Neighborhood Watch organizations stresses non-contact surveillance of suspicious situations and notifying police of those situations so that law enforcement can respond and take control of the situation.
Mr. Zimmerman was not acting outside the legal boundaries of Florida Statute by carrying his weapon when this incident occurred. He was in fact on a personal errand in his vehicle when he observed Mr. Martin in the community and called the Sanford Police Department.
If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman “are you following him”. Zimmerman replied, “yes”. The call taker stated “you don’t need to do that”. The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
Why was George Zimmerman labeled as “squeaky clean” when in fact he has a prior arrest history?
In one of the initial meetings with the father of the victim the investigator related to him the account that Mr. Zimmerman provided of the incident. At that time the investigator said that Mr. Zimmerman portrayed himself to be “squeaky clean”. We are aware of the background information regarding both individuals involved in this event. We believe Mr. Martin may have misconstrued this information.
What about media reenactments of the shooting incident?
Any media reenactments of the shooting incident are purely speculation. To date the Sanford Police Department has not released any rendition of the events of the evening to anyone other than the Office of the State Attorney. The renditions we have seen are not consistent with the evidence in this case.
The Sanford Police Department has conducted a complete and fair investigation of this incident. We have provided the results of our investigation to the Office of the State Attorney for their review and consideration for possible criminal prosecution.
Although the Police Department is the target of the troubling questions, let me assure you we too feel the pain of this senseless tragedy that has dramatically affected our community. Therefore, as we move forward and strive to answer the questions that are a point of controversy in the community, we ask for your patience, understanding and assistance in getting the correct information to the community
We trust that this information is helpful to you.
Norton N. Bonaparte, Jr., ICMA-CM City Manager
March 23, 2012

EDIT - please forgive formatting, on my iPad and was having difficulty with copy/paste from a PDF.

 

[josh.bunch]

Please let me know when I can hear Trayvon's side of the story. My ears are open.

Ummm...He is dead.

 

[RunninInGA]

Please let me know when I can hear Trayvon's side of the story. My ears are open.

Only to what they want to hear. :nono:

 

[josh.bunch]

Dude WTF?

You dare insult Steven Colbert ....

Just curious, who do not consider a hack, who is a quality journalist?

Colbert is a comedian that covers the news, that does not make him a hack.

:bat:

I was just trying to get someone to jump offsides. It worked... 5 yard penalty, repeat 1st down. :banana:

To answer your question I think Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, and especially Mark Levin are all credible journalists. Oh yeah, John Stewart is very unbiased as well.

(pot stired, not sit back and watch):hiding::flamethrwoer2::moon:

 

[Thai]

Excited to learn how you guys are gonna bend and twist this one to meet your and your medias agendas. olice:

EDIT - please forgive formatting, on my iPad and was having difficulty with copy/paste from a PDF.

Finally made it to my computer and under Guest to avoid getting the damn Trojan!

So, basically, from that police response, i gather a few things:

1. Police dept are not incompetent; they acted in accordance with the law. Damn if you do, damn if you don't. They chose to abide by the law. Damn them!

2. Important quote: "the City of Sanford has contacted the United States Attorney General’s Office for assistance in this matter"

In other words, Sanford PD asked for help; it was not forced upon them due to incompetence...as some on here have stated.

3. Up until the shooting, Zimmerman acted within the law and that includes his conceal handgun. The operator's statement to him was NOT an order to stop.

4. Again, the Sanford PD has acted FAIRLY and WITHIN THE LAW, as dictated BY THE LAW. Any accusation otherwise means that you do not respect the law and that we should go back to stoning witches in the middle of town!


BTW, to get a better feel of the victim and his potential innocence, one should know that he was suspended THREE times in ONE year from a Miami school. One time of which he was suspected (but not charged) with buglary. And with his mom trademarking expressions, does that really surprise you?? She cares, right? Would you not think that she WANTs his name (and expressions/sayings) to spread far and wide to garner support???? I would...just saying.

 

[RunninInGA]

4. Again, the Sanford PD has acted FAIRLY and WITHIN THE LAW, as dictated BY THE LAW. Any accusation otherwise means that you do not respect the law and that we should go back to stoning witches in the middle of town!

Further, you don't like the law, great. Do something about it. Get involved in politics. But for the love of God and all things Holy, stop following the Facebook/social media cause of the week blindly. You aren't taken seriously when you cry about Trayvon Martin's untimely death but ignore the thousands of others that occurred this month in this country. Unplug yourselves from the media machine and take a good look around. You don't even know all the facts or laws pertaining to the case but you've already sentenced "fatass" to a creaming in prison. Additionally, the outcry here is a direct slap in the face to the mother and father of that white kid that was set on fire by those two black kids, the 65-year old couple where the woman was raped beaten and killed and the man was beaten by that black man. Why are you not shedding a tear there, but your a55 is in a bind on this? To be upset with one case but not all cases of the same acts makes you a hypocrit. The media is playing with you and making you their bltches and you're allowing them to do it. :barf:

 

[BrianSD_42]

I was just trying to get someone to jump offsides. It worked... 5 yard penalty, repeat 1st down.

To answer your question I think Rush, Hannity, Glen Beck, and especially Mark Levin are all credible journalists. Oh yeah, John Stewart is very unbiased as well.

Haha well to each their own! I don't take your comment very seriously though but you got my attention :boxer:

THOU SHALL NOT SLANDER COLBERT

 

[BrianSD_42]

Apparently the FL law is more backwards than I had previously thought.

The PDF is worth the read for sure. I will amend my statement to "anywhere besides FL, there is enough evidence for a manslaughter arrest"

 

[Thai]

Apparently the FL law is more backwards than I had previously thought.

The PDF is worth the read for sure. I will amend my statement to "anywhere besides FL, there is enough evidence for a manslaughter arrest"

I don't know...I doubt that Florida laws are that much different than other states! Maybe it is YOU who don't understand the laws. Let's face it, Florida is no small redneck state...for you to say that it's laws are backwards.

Here is more tidbits: Trayvon Martin shooting: New details emerge from Twitter account, witness testimony | The Cutline - Yahoo! News

Can you say Duke case all over again????!!!!! Americans simply don't learn from past mistakes! IMO, the racist here is not Z but the hordes of Mr. Martin supporters who want to lynch Z!! I find it interesting that the biggest supporters for mr. Martin have either gone silent or now backtracking. When in doubt, pull the race card!

 

[04rnr]

Heres my thoughts, there are lots of people demanding justice, demanding this and that, most of them people are black, using the race card.
(Those people do NOT know, what exactly happened, no one knows exactly what happened)
Where are these same people when a black man shots and kills a white guy/kid ???? :shrug:
Where are these same people when a black man rapes, a white girl ?? :shrug:

Why the hell is the so called president involved ? :shrug:

 

[Thai]

Heres my thoughts, there are lots of people demanding justice, demanding this and that, most of them people are black, using the race card.
(Those people do NOT know, what exactly happened, no one knows exactly what happened)
Where are these same people when a black man shots and kills a white guy/kid ???? :shrug:
Where are these same people when a black man rapes, a white girl ?? :shrug:

Why the hell is the so called president involved ? :shrug:

I wonder what would happen if Bush had said that a white guy murdered could have been his son??????? President should NOT BE INVOLVED in this case, ESP when evidence was not all there!

 

[RunninInGA]

I'm going to post it again so everyone sees this. The political narrative is that whites discriminate upon blacks to a much larger degree in this country and that blacks are the victims. These figures do not lie, spin, bend, twist, or torque the facts. Open your eyes people. When the media tells you its sunny outside - go check for yourself to make sure.

The “New Century Foundation” studies Federal crime reports, and found significant differences in crime ratio between races, verified by the FBI’s NCVS, National Crime Victimization Survey, and The Department of Justice’s UCR, Uniform Crime Reports, FBI Communication’s Division, 304-625-4995.

They state emphatically that the Judicial System is not biased against minorities.

Blacks are seven times more likely than people of other races to commit murder, and eight times more likely to commit robbery.

Blacks are three times more likely to use a hand gun, and twice more likely to use a knife.

Hispanics commit three times more violent crimes than whites, but the statistics are nebulous because sometimes they are classified as white, so it could be far higher.

The best indicator of violent crime levels in an area is the percent of the population that is black and Hispanic.

Blacks are 39 times more likely to commit a violent crime against whites then vice versa, and 136 times more likely to commit a robbery.

Forty-five percent of black crime is against whites, 43 against other blacks, and 10 percent against Hispanic.

Blacks are seven times more likely to go to prison, Hispanics three times, and the reason is clear, because from 1980 to 2003 the US incarceration rate has tripled, and so proves that Justice is not only hard won, but well served.
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………… …
Verification of these claims comes from the sources below, extrapolation methods are verified by the New Century Foundation, http://www.amren.com/color.pdf.

From FBI:
Mr. LaRive:
The Uniform Crime Reporting Program does not collect the age, sex, or race of victims in conjunction with offenses reported to the police with the exception of murder and nonnegligent homicide. You will find the data on the race of victims of homicide at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/offe...rtable_02.html.

Age, sex, and race of offenders are collected in conjunction with arrest data. You will find the arrest data by race at http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2006/data/table_43.html. If you need further assistance with UCR Program data, please contact the FBI’s Communications Group at 304-625-4995.



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[RunninInGA]

I wonder what would happen if Bush had said that a white guy murdered could have been his son??????? President should NOT BE INVOLVED in this case, ESP when evidence was not all there!

Jessee Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the NAACP would be crying and complaining. Those 2 are the world's biggest bigots and are responsible for much of the racism rhetoric we hear today.

 

[josh.bunch]

I wonder what would happen if Bush had said that a white guy murdered could have been his son??????? President should NOT BE INVOLVED in this case, ESP when evidence was not all there!

You would think he would have learned his lesson with the incident with the black Harvard professor and white cop. Maybe after Obama is done bashing Zimmerman he will invite him to the white house for a beer.

Plus there is no way this kid could have been Obama's kid because if he was the presidents kid he would have been on an extravagant vacation on tax payers money with 30 secret service officers.

 

[BrianSD_42]

I don't know...I doubt that Florida laws are that much different than other states! Maybe it is YOU who don't understand the laws. Let's face it, Florida is no small redneck state...for you to say that it's laws are backwards.

Thai,

You are kidding right?

FL's new stand your ground law which expands "castle theory" is the reason he wasnt charged to date.

I figured you at least knew that much.

 

[Thai]

Thai,

You are kidding right?

FL's new stand your ground law which expands "castle theory" is the reason he wasnt charged to date.

I figured you at least knew that much.

And you still think that Z is so wrong??? It looks like the Sanford PD got things right...it is folks like you who jumped the gun to hang Zimmerman without evidence! There was not enough evidence to convict him.

You are kidding, right?

 

[calikev]

Forget about the color of either of them.

1) Neighborhood "watch" means just that...WATCH! Report if you see something and let the "real" police officers do their job

2) Don't confront and question anyone. What right did Zimmerman even have to ask the "minor" "What are you doing here?" None! The kid wasn't commiting a crime or doing anything but walking down the damn street.

3) When told to stop pursing him by the 911 operator...STOP you idiot!

4) Leave your gun at home. You are neighborhood "WATCH" self appointed neighborhood watch on top of all of this---noone nominated you and certainly noone knew you had a gun sitting in the damn parking lot of the apartment complex. This is not a private property single family home area. This is an apartment complex you fool. Anyone can walk here day or night without answering to you.

EVERYTHING that took place after he did all these things is a result of his actions and therefore he should be punished. Not because he is white or quasi-white. Why a hispanic guy would claim he is white is beyond me. Maybe he hates himself, his race and others too??? Either way I would put his hispanic/white or whatever butt in jail for the reasons above and ONLY for the reasons above.

I don't care that Zimmerman had gotten in trouble with the law in the past and that Trayvon had gotten in to trouble at school or any of that other BS. What caused this to take place? This kid should not have lost his life...period!

As far as the other crimes in the country that noone is up in arms over...in those other cases referenced the person that caused the tragedy is either in jail or dead or in jail waiting for trial. This guy Zimmerman is free. That's the difference.

 

[Thai]

The question is...did he break the law by doing any of what you listed? Him carrying a gun is his own right given to us by the law of the land.

 

[tbst]

You would think he would have learned his lesson with the incident with the black Harvard professor and white cop. Maybe after Obama is done bashing Zimmerman he will invite him to the white house for a beer.

Plus there is no way this kid could have been Obama's kid because if he was the presidents kid he would have been on an extravagant vacation on tax payers money with 30 secret service officers.

 

[tbst]

Forget about the color of either of them.

1) Neighborhood "watch" means just that...WATCH! Report if you see something and let the "real" police officers do their job

2) Don't confront and question anyone. What right did Zimmerman even have to ask the "minor" "What are you doing here?" None! The kid wasn't commiting a crime or doing anything but walking down the damn street.

3) When told to stop pursing him by the 911 operator...STOP you idiot!

4) Leave your gun at home. You are neighborhood "WATCH" self appointed neighborhood watch on top of all of this---noone nominated you and certainly noone knew you had a gun sitting in the damn parking lot of the apartment complex. This is not a private property single family home area. This is an apartment complex you fool. Anyone can walk here day or night without answering to you.

EVERYTHING that took place after he did all these things is a result of his actions and therefore he should be punished. Not because he is white or quasi-white. Why a hispanic guy would claim he is white is beyond me. Maybe he hates himself, his race and others too??? Either way I would put his hispanic/white or whatever butt in jail for the reasons above and ONLY for the reasons above.

I don't care that Zimmerman had gotten in trouble with the law in the past and that Trayvon had gotten in to trouble at school or any of that other BS. What caused this to take place? This kid should not have lost his life...period!

As far as the other crimes in the country that noone is up in arms over...in those other cases referenced the person that caused the tragedy is either in jail or dead or in jail waiting for trial. This guy Zimmerman is free. That's the difference.

Said excellently.

Sets quite a precedent if you are walking home and can end up dead because a guy thinks your suspicious.