My P0301 experience:

nexrace

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First off I'd like to introduce my.
You guys don't know how hard it was to get a conformation email to start posting. Actually, I never did, I just gave up & checked back after a week to see if somehow I could post & it worked.

Anyway, I'm glad to finally be on here. I read your site alot for all kinds of ideas. I love my 4runner & want to keep it running good.
I thought I'd start off with a problem that is stumping me.

Sharing my P0301 experience: 97
 
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well it is good to have you nexrace, i see you are in riverside, where in riverside? what state?


well from your code you game me p0301 i ran it on my computer and this is what i came up with
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as i was looking at the things you have done, i dont think it is a direct spark problem....



my main question is...... when was the last time you replaced your timming belt? because it sound like a timming problem
 
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I just put the NGK v Power in mine, w/ no issues, and have had them in a LOT of vehicles in the past as well. I doubt that is the problem, but plugs are cheap and easy to change so it doesn't hurt to rule that out by replacing them. Other easy thing i would suggest is to clean the maf if it hasn't been done recently. I have seen that throw different codes before, none of which are maf related codes.

the next thing to do is to determine which cylinder is misfiring, or if it is random across all of them.

If you are down in riverside CA, and can wait until this next weekend, i may be able to help you out a bit more.
 
stick figure not to be mean but didnt you read his post?


everything u said he has already done, plugs, wires, MAF,

and p0301 is random cylinders as you can see in my chart....


once again not trying to be mean but i kinda laughed when i read your post
 
I've had a similar problem and found that my coils were going bad. In essense I have replaced all but one coil that has yet to go bad. I had a terrible problem with misfiring and once I isolated the problem down to the coil I was in good shape. However, on once instance I had a problem where I replaced the wiring just to be on the safe side.

edit: Just saw that you've replaced the coil packs.
 
the more i think about this the more i am leaning towards timming issue,




the only time when the car runs good is in the 1st 10 min of start up... (when the engine is cold and parst dont loosen up and streach out)


and gets better around 2000 RPM (makes since because the crank, pistons, cams, valves are moving so fast)
 
my code reader and obd-codes.com says that p0300 is the random misfire and p0301 is cylinder 1 misfire. i don't think that chart is correct. it seems kinda redundant to have 2 random misfire codes. especially right next to each other
 
P0300 Code - Cylinder Misfire
Technical Description

Random/Multiple Cylinder Misfire Detected
What does that mean?

Basically this means that the the car's computer has detected that not all of the engine's cylinders are firing properly.

A P0300 OBD code indicates a random or multiple misfire. If the last digit is a number other than zero, it corresponds to the cylinder number that is misfiring. A P0302 code, for example, would tell you cylinder number two is misfiring. Unfortunately, a P0300 doesn't tell you specifically which cylinder(s) is/are mis-firing, nor why.
Symptoms
Symptoms may include:

* the engine may be harder to start
* the engine may stumble / stumble, and/or hesitate
* other symptoms may also be present

Causes

A code P0300 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:

* Faulty spark plugs or wires
* Faulty coil (pack)
* Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
* Faulty fuel injector(s)
* Burned exhaust valve
* Faulty catalytic converter(s)
* Stuck/blocked EGR valve / passages
* Faulty camshaft position sensor
* Defective computer

Possible Solutions

If there are no symptoms, the simplest thing to do is to reset the code and see if it comes back.

If there are symptoms such as the engine is stumbling or hesitating, check all wiring and connectors that lead to the cylinders (i.e. spark plugs). Depending on how long the ignition components have been in the car, it may be a good idea to replace them as part of your regular maintenance schedule. I would suggest spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap, and rotor (if applicable). Otherwise, check the coils (a.k.a. coil packs). In some cases, the catalytic converter has gone bad. If you smell rotten eggs in the exhaust, your cat converter needs to be replaced. I've also heard in other cases the problems were faulty fuel injectors.

Random misfires that jump around from one cylinder to another (read: P030x codes) also will set a P0300 code. The underlying cause is often a lean fuel condition, which may be due to a vacuum leak in the intake manifold or unmetered air getting past the airflow sensor, or an EGR valve that is stuck open.
 
P0301 Code - Cylinder #1 Misfire
Technical Description

Cylinder #1 Misfire Detected
What does that mean?

A P0301 code means that the the car's computer has detected that one of the engine's cylinders is not firing properly. In this case it's cylinder #1.
Symptoms
Symptoms may include:

* the engine may be harder to start
* the engine may stumble / stumble, and/or hesitate
* other symptoms may also be present

Causes

A code P0301 may mean that one or more of the following has happened:

* Faulty spark plug or wire
* Faulty coil (pack)
* Faulty oxygen sensor(s)
* Faulty fuel injector
* Burned exhaust valve
* Faulty catalytic converter(s)
* Running out of fuel
* Poor compression
* Defective computer

Possible Solutions

If there are no symptoms, the simplest thing to do is to reset the code and see if it comes back.

If there are symptoms such as the engine is stumbling or hesitating, check all wiring and connectors that lead to the cylinders (i.e. spark plugs). Depending on how long the ignition components have been in the car, it may be a good idea to replace them as part of your regular maintenance schedule. I would suggest spark plugs, spark plug wires, distributor cap, and rotor (if applicable). Otherwise, check the coils (a.k.a. coil packs). In some cases, the catalytic converter has gone bad. If you smell rotten eggs in the exhaust, your cat converter needs to be replaced. I've also heard in other cases the problems were faulty fuel injectors.
 
thegreenmonster show me what your scanner says for a p0301 code not a 300, thanks


EDIT: looks like my post was a bit too slow
 
well if it is only cylinder 1 then he should not feel any real power loss.... if he has changed all the spark stuff then why would there still be a problem?
 
1st off be sure not to touch the metal part of the plug when cranking the engine, and if it starts turn it off and crank again

yes pull the coil and plug,

place the plug in the coil, but not in the cylinder,

next place the threadded park of the plug real close to something metal and have someone crank the engine


if the coil is good it should produce a spark, if not, no spark or a weak one,

be sure to test all the coils to see if one doesnot look as strong as the others....



but be sure the sparkplug is close to something metal i mean 1/4 and inch or closer to get a spark
 
I just replaced the NGK spark plugs w/oem Denso's. same, same
I have a spark tester so I used that w/one of the old plug wires & the ngk's to test the coils. They all made spark so I guess I can rule the coils out. So whats the next step?
Can I do a compression test w/ leaving the injectors in?
Taking the pleumn off to get the back two injectors off looks like a pain.
 
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Ya' know thats a good point. I haven't done the timing belt so maybe I need to start w/that. Should I get oem or can I just go w/Napa on that?
 
shootmymime said:
stick figure not to be mean but didnt you read his post?


everything u said he has already done, plugs, wires, MAF,

and p0301 is random cylinders as you can see in my chart....


once again not trying to be mean but i kinda laughed when i read your post

its okay .... yeah i didn't read his original post as much as skimmed it while doing some other things ..... usually if i post during the day, that means you are not getting 100% attention from me.

As for the original topic ... timing belt would most likely throw random misfire on all or most of the cylinders .... if you swapped the coil to another cylinder and are still getting a random misfire on the same cylinder, swap the injector, beyond that compression test wouldn't be a bad idea. otherwise like i said if you are near me, i could probably make time next weekend to actually datalog what is going on w/ the truck when the misfire happens rather than just trying to fix it via trouble codes.
 
I believe it has a timing chain not a timing belt so that is probably ok.
Do I really need to pull the injectors out to compression test because that means pulling the plunemn & that dosen't look fun.
 
I believe it has a timing chain not a timing belt so that is probably ok. Do I really need to pull the injectors out to compression test because that means pulling the plunemn & that dosen't look fun.

you're correct. the 4 cyl has a chain and the V6 has a belt. for some reason i thought you had a v6 this whole time. my bad. do a compression check
 

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