New California Exhaust Laws... WTF?!!!

[SURF RUNNER]

I apologize if someone in the 4Runner community already posted about this - I searched the first few pages of this 3rd Gen Forum and didn’t see anything. I’m not going to make any comments about California politics, but as a “car guy” from Texas who lives in Florida this really pisses me off.

By the way, if this is some kind of stupid joke on YouTube please delete this thread and forget that I ever posted it.

The video linked below was on my YouTube feed and this is how I heard about this new law...
YouTube

Some questions for you Californians in the know:

1) Does this affect me if I am driving (just visiting) through California in an out of state vehicle with a modified exhaust system?

2) If a 4Runner has the factory muffler replaced with a Flowmaster (or any aftermarket muffler) is the owner in violation of the law and receiving the subsequent $1,000 fine?

3) What in the hell is a state referee? Where is he located? Sacramento??? Does someone with a violation really have to travel across the state to visit this guy and let him inspect every inch of the vehicle?

4) Are headers considered part of the exhaust system? Obviously I assume they are, but what a pain in the ass to remove for a 3rd Gen owner.

5) Is this just an addition to the whole CARB thing or something much more?

6) Should I be worried about this law spreading east?

 

[BrianSD_42]

No offense OP but you don't live in California and aren't affected any changes whatever they may be.

I have looked into this law changes and it is much ado about nothing.

Essentially all the new law does is the following:

1) if you were already in violation per the law prior to 2018, now you get $1000 min fine instead of a fix it ticket.

2) that's it. Nothing else to see here

This is really only something that effects vehicles that were WAY out of spec of CA emissions law, such as no muffler at all, or exhaust system that ignite with flames. Cases like that get a $1000 as a min instead of a warning or fix-it

Basically totally obviously illegal sh$t is surprise .... $1,000 fine!

If you aren't trying to be part of the Midnight Club drag scene you have little to no worries.
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[SURF RUNNER]

No offense OP but you don't live in California and aren't affected any changes whatever they may be.

No offense taken, but I used to live in California a long time ago (1989-1991) and this could potentially affect me if I moved back there. In the past I have owned Corvettes and Camaros that might have been in violation if they were in California today.

Anyway, thanks for your comments on the subject.

 

[BrianSD_42]

For sure. I get that CA is becoming a nanny state and I always vote against that BS. In this case there is a lot of confusion online..

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

If commiefornia broke off and washed away, no one would miss it.

 

[jgue467]

Yeah you can always trust what ya' hear/read on utub, right???

Oh and don't forget Maryland, Texas is back and we're coming after you next!!! :cowboy:

 

[2016 4Runner SR5]

Yeah you can always trust what ya' hear/read on utub, right???

Oh and don't forget Maryland, Texas is back and we're coming after you next!!! :cowboy:

Maryland sucks also, just not as much as commiefornia. Only here for work, not my choice of state. 18 months i'll be in NC and i'll be there for good.

 

[tvpierce]

No offense taken, but I used to live in California a long time ago (1989-1991) and this could potentially affect me if I moved back there. In the past I have owned Corvettes and Camaros that might have been in violation if they were in California today.

Anyway, thanks for your comments on the subject.

For as long as I can remember, the law basicly read (and I'm paraphrasing here) that any exhaust could not be modified from the original configuration. So any after market muffler that wasn't a replica of the OEM was not in compliance (Flowmaster, Thrush, etc.) Headers: not in compliance. Dual exhaust on a vehicle that came with single exhaust: not in compliance.

Not knowing what you did with your past Corvettes and Camaros... yeah, they probably weren't legal -- it was just never enforced.

What's happening with car/truck exhausts is the same as what's happened with motorcycle exhausts. The laws against loud pipes on bikes have always been on the books, but since you might only encounter a couple of straight-pipers a day, no one complained about it. Now every needle dick with a dew rag and an inferiority complex has a Harley running straight pipes. So on a nice day, it's a constant barrage of noise -- and people are understandably annoyed by it. As a result, states began cracking down on modified bike exhausts.

Fart can Civics, Coal Rollers, and the like are doing the same for 4 wheeled vehicles. They've become so prevalent and so excessive that lawmakers can no longer ignore them.

 

[IBallEngineer]

No offense taken, but I used to live in California a long time ago (1989-1991) and this could potentially affect me if I moved back there. In the past I have owned Corvettes and Camaros that might have been in violation if they were in California today.

Anyway, thanks for your comments on the subject.

Basically if you were illegal before you are illegal now, but the consequence has changed. A little common sense goes a long way but it is severely lacking among many who think straight pipes on your E36 makes you cool(the rest of the grown up world thinks it makes you annoying).

I've lived in CA for 56 years, don't plan on leaving, for all the troubles we still have awesome weather, activities, and people. OK, you can keep "some" of the people. Haha. Every new law makes people freak out, smog checks, helmet laws, paint emissions, etc. But here we are still modifying things. Did you know it is illegal to modify your headlights in anyway according to the CA vehicle code? Yup, and yet here we are.

Did you know Northern CA people tend to not like Southern CA? Yeah, they think we should split the state! Hasn't happened and it won't, nothing to see here folks, move along.

:bathbaby:

 

[96RedRunner]

[MENTION=147705]tvpierce[/MENTION], You forgot to mention sportbikes in your list of offenders.
I'd like to see you walk up to a 1%er and call him or her a needle dick, Lol.

 

[Rancho5]

I just put a Gibson Catback on my 02 Sport...and we submitted our names for an opening in Ventura with my company. Hope to get it because sea level would be great for my wife’s health, but maybe the Gibson would have to come off? Hope not. I just got an AR for Christmas too. That’ll probably need to be sold. The paperwork to bring in Glocks must be horrendous, I can only imagine what it would be like for an AR.

 

[Hopeless Diamond]

California Bill 1824's Exhaust Law, Explained

 

[BrianSD_42]

For as long as I can remember, the law basicly read (and I'm paraphrasing here) that any exhaust could not be modified from the original configuration. So any after market muffler that wasn't a replica of the OEM was not in compliance (Flowmaster, Thrush, etc.) Headers: not in compliance. Dual exhaust on a vehicle that came with single exhaust: not in compliance.

This isn't accurate. I have headers and CAI. Yes a CA CARB sticker is required but that just means you need to an actual product and not something totally custom.

Also if you read some of the FAQs on the web about this new law and the old you'll see that it very clearly says you CAN replace your muffler with one louder than stock.

 

[Rhinle]

[MENTION=147705]tvpierce[/MENTION], You forgot to mention sportbikes in your list of offenders.
I'd like to see you walk up to a 1%er and call him or her a needle dick, Lol.

Are you a 1%er?

 

[bwarren]

I appreciate CA's strict emission and exhaust laws. If you remember southern California in the early 1980s the smog and pollution was horrible. I don't live there but travel there frequently for work. The laws have made a positive difference. California has a great 4Runner community and lots of good trails. I see a ton of nice rigs down there.

Photos: L.A.’s mid-century smog was so bad, people thought it was a gas attack

 

[96RedRunner]

Are you a 1%er?

Doesn't matter. TV seemed to have a hardon for Harley riders. All bike riders
have loud pipes mostly because of the DA's on the road that don't see us.
Loud pipes saves lives you ever hear that it's true. Folks playin with themselves or on their phone.
Almost been run over and killed a bunch of times on a Harley the last 30 yr.
Back to Topic

 

[hounddogman]

Did you know Northern CA people tend to not like Southern CA? Yeah, they think we should split the state! Hasn't happened and it won't, nothing to see here folks, move along.

:bathbaby:

Go Jefferson State ! But your right , won't happen . I used to live in southern Oregon.

 

[dmppdx]

Doesn't matter. TV seemed to have a hardon for Harley riders. All bike riders
have loud pipes mostly because of the DA's on the road that don't see us.
Loud pipes saves lives you ever hear that it's true. Folks playin with themselves or on their phone.
Almost been run over and killed a bunch of times on a Harley the last 30 yr.
Back to Topic

There may be some slight truth to the fact that louder exhausts make bikes safer, but at the end of the day, that is not why harley riders want them. They want them because its part of the self image that harley rirder want to convey about being outlaws and some sort of bad ass. Lets be honest, if harleys were quiet and tame, most of the riders would find them very appealing.

 

[BrianSD_42]

California Bill 1824's Exhaust Law, Explained

This! Seriously folks ... Read this!

The whole scare is a big nothing to see here. CA bashing gives laughs I get it but stop panicking lol.

BTW how many people here have a 3rd gen that ACTUALLY produces 95 db at 5-10 feet away? I'm willing to bet it's extremely rare, and if you are above 95 db that you know it isn't legit because in most cities across America that is so damned loud that you would be pulled over anyways .... and we all know this!

For reference a 9/11 GTS at 7,000 RPM on the track just BARELY exceeds 95db. Most stock supercars do not exceed this level. Some do yes but most don't.

:ybrick:

 

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