New Rubber - BFG AT 265/65/18 - Wow!

tire pressure

what pressure are you guys running?

i just put a set of 265 65 18 bf goodrich a/t ko LT on
not sure what psi to run them at for road driving
my only concern is maximum tire life
 
I just bought these same tires last week. I have a stock suspension 2006 4runner and there is no rubbing at all, and I've tested at full turn each direction going forwards and backwards. they look great and am looking forward to how they will do on ice/snow.
 
Do you guys really get better traction with these, or is it just exciting to have new tires? Reason I ask is because the consensus among the various 4x4 forums all over the internet is that the BFG KO tread pattern is about 30 years past it's prime and it actually is one of the worst tires made for snow and mud. They are great for rocks and dirt...but snow and mud paralyzes them. They are also bad for the road because of the high rolling resistance and weight.

I'm not trying to start a war because I've run the BFG KO three different times myself. And honestly, I'll likely never buy them again.

But there is no denying that they do look fantastic on your 4Runner.
 
Do you guys really get better traction with these, or is it just exciting to have new tires? Reason I ask is because the consensus among the various 4x4 forums all over the internet is that the BFG KO tread pattern is about 30 years past it's prime and it actually is one of the worst tires made for snow and mud. They are great for rocks and dirt...but snow and mud paralyzes them. They are also bad for the road because of the high rolling resistance and weight.

I'm not trying to start a war because I've run the BFG KO three different times myself. And honestly, I'll likely never buy them again.

But there is no denying that they do look fantastic on your 4Runner.

The idea that you know what internet consensus is, is about as ridiculous as the idea that it would mean anything even if you did.
 
Do you guys really get better traction with these, or is it just exciting to have new tires? Reason I ask is because the consensus among the various 4x4 forums all over the internet is that the BFG KO tread pattern is about 30 years past it's prime and it actually is one of the worst tires made for snow and mud. They are great for rocks and dirt...but snow and mud paralyzes them. They are also bad for the road because of the high rolling resistance and weight.

I'm not trying to start a war because I've run the BFG KO three different times myself. And honestly, I'll likely never buy them again.

But there is no denying that they do look fantastic on your 4Runner.

well i can say that when i first got the set i have 2 years ago we got a blizzard here in Ma. i park my 4runner across the ft of our driveway due to the amount of cars at my house. the snow from the storm and plowing was about 1/2 way up the door and i have a 2.5/1.5 lift too. i had to get in the pass side. the truck is an AWD and i did not even have to put in 4low. it went right through the snow like it was not even there.my neighbot across the street could not believe i went though it in 1 shot.

the only think i do not like about the BFG is the worse fuel mileage.

the one thing the guy at the tire shop told me when i got them is keep them rotated and balanced. he has seen them go as much as 80,000 miles. i rotoate and balance every 4000 miles. hey they do it for free since i bought them there.
 
The idea that you know what internet consensus is, is about as ridiculous as the idea that it would mean anything even if you did.

Well, since I've owned dozens of 4x4s I've been members of Ford, Ram, Jeep, Nissan, and Toyota forums, not to mention the independent 4x4 forums like Pirate and ihatemud, etc. And, in all my tire shopping days I've read thousands of reviews from tirerack.com and discounttiredirect.com and treadepot.com and magazines. So I've been around a LOT on this subject. And EVERY place I go says that the BFG is not a good traction tire. It was in the 1980s. And maybe even in the 1990s it was pretty good. But technology has far surpassed where this tire is and they are still selling them based upon the name alone.

Since I've run the tire 3 times in the past myself, I have credibility and can say honestly that the reviews are true....this tire was awesome when we were younger but now it's a waste of money. Overpriced, under performing, and poor for every terrain except dry dirt/rocks.

If you guys don't want to hear the truth...go on with your little party. I'm just offering honest advice from experience. Take it or leave it.
 
Just replaced my 265/65/18 Bridgestone Revo2's with the 265/65/18 BF Goodrich All Terrains. Holy crap these BFG's are in a totally different league. Heavier, meatier, larger, massive tread depth. These tires mean business.

I'm not saying the BFG's are "better", just totally different. Less high-way, more my-way.

The iPhone picture quality is not the best...

your truck looks great. I am trying to get to that stance as well. What brand of 1 inch spacer did you use. I may look at some fj coils with a spacer. Not sure what I want to do yet.
 
No, I just seem to be the one person on this forum that tells it like it is for some reason.

Hold on? you just seem to be the one person on this forum that disagrees with everyone, then give your opinion and think it is always the right one. Your like a lot of women, can't keep your mouth shut! For a great example, on the other thread about the guy getting tint. Give props and go on, but no, you have to call someone out, tell them that something doesn't match, be an Ahole and then try to take it back and say it looks good. Why even do that?
 
....snow...paralyzes them.....I just seem to be the one person on this forum that tells it like it is for some reason.

A quick thought experiment (we'll forget that you're rainin' on a thread that didn't solicit any advice).

One implication of your position is that the snowflake symbol must be worthless. I've been critical of the snowflake system, but the symbol is not worthless. Tires that have it don't get "paralyzed" by snow.

Oops.
 
Do you guys really get better traction with these, or is it just exciting to have new tires? Reason I ask is because the consensus among the various 4x4 forums all over the internet is that the BFG KO tread pattern is about 30 years past it's prime and it actually is one of the worst tires made for snow and mud. They are great for rocks and dirt...but snow and mud paralyzes them. They are also bad for the road because of the high rolling resistance and weight.

I'm not trying to start a war because I've run the BFG KO three different times myself. And honestly, I'll likely never buy them again.

But there is no denying that they do look fantastic on your 4Runner.

Don't you start a war on every thread?

Hold on? you just seem to be the one person on this forum that disagrees with everyone, then give your opinion and think it is always the right one. Your like a lot of women, can't keep your mouth shut! For a great example, on the other thread about the guy getting tint. Give props and go on, but no, you have to call someone out, tell them that something doesn't match, be an Ahole and then try to take it back and say it looks good. Why even do that?

[MENTION=92501]WXman[/MENTION] in the last month i have ran 3 different tires on my 4runner

michelin ltx 265/70/16
BFG rugged trail ta 275/70/18
and finally
BFG all-terrain ta KOs 285/65/18

All of them used, all of them at least 7/32 tread depth. I dont care if the tread design is 50 years old. Out of the bunch the BFG at KOs are the ones i am keeping on my truck. Asthetics, they are awesome, dry/wet they are the best of the bunch. noise the michelins were quieter, by a little. maybe because this is a 10 ply tire. i am sure the rugged trail ta tire is a newer design but it sucked in the rain compared to the KO's ancient design.
[MENTION=59048]S p a r k y[/MENTION] opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and is entittle to one. i for one will continue to be a BFG KO fan. I think pricing of a tire has alot to do with perception on how they perform. many people like coopers for the money you cant complain. with these bfg ko's that cost probably double what a compareable cooper costs, they should be awesome and drive themselves up the mountain! unfortunatly they dont, yet. price aside, i would choose BFG's over crappy coopers all day everyday, just because of what i see with tires on a daily basis.
 
A quick thought experiment (we'll forget that you're rainin' on a thread that didn't solicit any advice).

One implication of your position is that the snowflake symbol must be worthless. I've been critical of the snowflake system, but the symbol is not worthless. Tires that have it don't get "paralyzed" by snow.

Oops.

There are articles all over the web about how the "mountain snowflake" symbol is worthless. It was developed many years ago. In that day and age, the tires that were branded with the symbol were pretty good snow tires. By today's standards, there are HT tires on the market now that will outperform some of the old AT tires with the symbol. Do some reading and you'll see how pathetic the old AT tires stack up to new technology. Testing done in Canada where they get a lot of snow has indicated that shoppers should completely ignore the mountain snowflake symbol when shopping for tires, as it is misleading. A new standard needs to be developed and I hear that many tire makers are working toward that now.

As far as driving in snow goes there are two schools of thought. In DEEP snow you want a tire that will hold onto snow because snow sticks to snow better than snow sticks to rubber in that scenario. So driving through 2 or 3 feet of powder in the wilderness a tire like the BFG might do OK.

However, in 95% of situations you see on the pavement you do NOT want a tire that holds onto snow. You want a tire that evacuates snow and slush and grips the road surface. This is why the BFG tire sucks, for lack of a better word. The interlocked tread pattern won't release anything...so you get a tire that is terrible for snow, slush, mud, even deep water puddles on the roadway. My personal experience is that they will "push" going into turns and they are dangerous. Tons of online reviews agree with me. The General Grabber AT2, Definity Dakota AT, etc. all have the same problem.

You guys keep acting like I'm raining on the parade. I don't really care. I'm offering good advice and experience because there is too much pushing of name brands on the internet. People need to be made aware of what they are getting with their hard earned money, rather than just buying product A because everybody else on the forum seems to be doing the same. If that bothers you, skip over my post and read on.
 
There are articles all over the web about how the "mountain snowflake" symbol is worthless. It was developed many years ago. In that day and age, the tires that were branded with the symbol were pretty good snow tires. By today's standards, there are HT tires on the market now that will outperform some of the old AT tires with the symbol. Do some reading and you'll see how pathetic the old AT tires stack up to new technology. Testing done in Canada where they get a lot of snow has indicated that shoppers should completely ignore the mountain snowflake symbol when shopping for tires, as it is misleading. A new standard needs to be developed and I hear that many tire makers are working toward that now.

As far as driving in snow goes there are two schools of thought. In DEEP snow you want a tire that will hold onto snow because snow sticks to snow better than snow sticks to rubber in that scenario. So driving through 2 or 3 feet of powder in the wilderness a tire like the BFG might do OK.

However, in 95% of situations you see on the pavement you do NOT want a tire that holds onto snow. You want a tire that evacuates snow and slush and grips the road surface. This is why the BFG tire sucks, for lack of a better word. The interlocked tread pattern won't release anything...so you get a tire that is terrible for snow, slush, mud, even deep water puddles on the roadway. My personal experience is that they will "push" going into turns and they are dangerous. Tons of online reviews agree with me. The General Grabber AT2, Definity Dakota AT, etc. all have the same problem.

You guys keep acting like I'm raining on the parade. I don't really care. I'm offering good advice and experience because there is too much pushing of name brands on the internet. People need to be made aware of what they are getting with their hard earned money, rather than just buying product A because everybody else on the forum seems to be doing the same. If that bothers you, skip over my post and read on.

As usual, no links. Just assurances of your expertise. I would have thought the discussion about LT tires recently might have given you just a little pause.

The lack of a snowflake creates problems of interpretation, but the fact remains that no tire with the snowflake can be characterized as being "paralyzed" by snow. It's a patently ridiculous phrase but I see you're now adding the word "dangerous" to the hyperbole.

However, I can tell you're a man on a mission so maybe I'll help you out and make sure you don't miss any other threads where someone is showing new tires that don't meet with your approval. It'll be too late for them, of course, but just think how many people you can save.
 
As usual, no links. Just assurances of your expertise. I would have thought the discussion about LT tires recently might have given you just a little pause.

The lack of a snowflake creates problems of interpretation, but the fact remains that no tire with the snowflake can be characterized as being "paralyzed" by snow. It's a patently ridiculous phrase but I see you're now adding the word "dangerous" to the hyperbole.

However, I can tell you're a man on a mission so maybe I'll help you out and make sure you don't miss any other threads where someone is showing new tires that don't meet with your approval. It'll be too late for them, of course, but just think how many people you can save.


Agreed!
 
Anyone that has actually had these tires in the snow will tell you that they are AWESOME. I ran them on my TJ in a blizzard and they were unstoppable.

Saying that they "suck" proves your ignorance.:smow:
 
Did not read any of the other post, but I like the tires they look great! I will probably get a pair when my MTRs get run down! :)
 

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