Nitto Ridge Grappler?

[DeepSea]

I'm surprised that Nitto seems so much more popular than Toyo on the forum, in my previous truck forum it seemed to be the opposite. I believe they are the same owners?

Has anyone had real world experience with the Ridge Grappler to the Toyo R/T?

My 35" Toyo MT's had 55k miles on them when I sold my 2013 F250, around 6k of those miles towing a 15k lb trailer, and the tech at Discount Tire told me I had at least another 5k-10k in them. Never had a single issue or dropped a single PSI. When it was time to put tires on my 4Runner I didn't hesitate to go the Toyo route again.

Yes same owners but the Ridge & Trail Grapplers are offered as C rated in a couple ideal sizes. No other quality tire companies are doing so.

 

[Trixx]

Yes same owners but the Ridge & Trail Grapplers are offered as C rated in a couple ideal sizes. No other quality tire companies are doing so.

Ah - that makes a lot of sense. Thanks. My RT's are E, which are great for harder core 4Runners, but with my usage I could likely be totally fine with a C.

 

[Carolina Roscoe]

Ah - that makes a lot of sense. Thanks. My RT's are E, which are great for harder core 4Runners, but with my usage I could likely be totally fine with a C.

When I bought mine a couple weeks ago, I decided to go with the C. Me and my tire guy didn't think the E's weight would make the 4runner happy. As you know, the Southeast is all about the slick ass Red mud/clay not so much rocks. Just my opinion.

 

[Trixx]

When I bought mine a couple weeks ago, I decided to go with the C. Me and my tire guy didn't think the E's weight would make the 4runner happy. As you know, the Southeast is all about the slick ass Red mud/clay not so much rocks. Just my opinion.

Any idea what the weight difference is between the E and C?

 

[tm965]

Any idea what the weight difference is between the E and C?

this thread got me curious so i started looking at the 17" c load and found that the actual weight is 58lbs when the factory quotes 54. ho lee fuk thats heavy

 

[Aurora85]

this thread got me curious so i started looking at the 17" c load and found that the actual weight is 58lbs when the factory quotes 54. ho lee fuk thats heavy

Yep.. I can't believe how many guys roll around on heavy 285s without re gearing etc. my KO2s in stock size made my runner sluggish at stock size. Would be nice if they offered a SL in the Trail Grapplers .

 

[Trixx]

this thread got me curious so i started looking at the 17" c load and found that the actual weight is 58lbs when the factory quotes 54. ho lee fuk thats heavy

What size are you looking at?

Surely this can't be accurate or I'm looking at the chart wrong, but Nitto's site shows both the load range C and E at 58 lbs?

Ridge Grappler Light Truck Tire

This site shows that the Toyo R/T Range E is also 58 lbs?

https://tiresize.com/tires/Toyo/Open-Country-RT.htm

Yep.. I can't believe how many guys roll around on heavy 285s without re gearing etc. my KO2s in stock size made my runner sluggish at stock size. Would be nice if they offered a SL in the Trail Grapplers .

I don't notice a very big difference between my Toyo RT's and my stock tires. The 4runner is such a turd power-wise so going from crappy power to slightly crappier power isn't as bad.

 

[DeepSea]

What size are you looking at?

Surely this can't be accurate or I'm looking at the chart wrong, but Nitto's site shows both the load range C and E at 58 lbs?

Ridge Grappler Light Truck Tire

This site shows that the Toyo R/T Range E is also 58 lbs?

https://tiresize.com/tires/Toyo/Open-Country-RT.htm



I don't notice a very big difference between my Toyo RT's and my stock tires. The 4runner is such a turd power-wise so going from crappy power to slightly crappier power isn't as bad.

I said the same thing on the Ridge Grappler thread on Tacomaworld and a guy chimed in saying he called Nitto about it. Here was his response:

No it's right, i after a few calls back an fourth they weighed them.
The E is lighter. Tech told me that when u see how it says ply ratings, that's just to measure the weight capacity it can hold and has nothing to do with actual ply.
He said every ridge grappler has the same amount of plys for the sidewall no matter what the rating is.

i said:
how can it be stronger, hold more weight, be the same tread depth dimensions, use the same material for construction and still be a pound lighter or even equal??

all he said was "it's just the way it's constructed/built"


if anyone else has a better answer i'd love to hear it

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/nitto-ridge-grappler-review.444208/page-4#post-15327100

 

[Trixx]

I said the same thing on the Ridge Grappler thread on Tacomaworld and a guy chimed in saying he called Nitto about it. Here was his response:

No it's right, i after a few calls back an fourth they weighed them.
The E is lighter. Tech told me that when u see how it says ply ratings, that's just to measure the weight capacity it can hold and has nothing to do with actual ply.
He said every ridge grappler has the same amount of plys for the sidewall no matter what the rating is.

i said:
how can it be stronger, hold more weight, be the same tread depth dimensions, use the same material for construction and still be a pound lighter or even equal??

all he said was "it's just the way it's constructed/built"


if anyone else has a better answer i'd love to hear it

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/nitto-ridge-grappler-review.444208/page-4#post-15327100

So.. if all this is true - then what exactly is the benefit of running a C ply vs E ply? I would imagine if they are the same weight the only benefit of C would be a slightly softer ride which also translates to a less durable side wall?

 

[DeepSea]

Yep.. I can't believe how many guys roll around on heavy 285s without re gearing etc. my KO2s in stock size made my runner sluggish at stock size. Would be nice if they offered a SL in the Trail Grapplers .

You really don't "need" to regear up to 33s. Some guys do but it's a bit of overkill. 35s is a different story. I went 35s on my previous 06' Tacoma which had enough engine power but struggled in uphill mountain climbs. Tire weight will definitely hinder HP and MPG though. I went from 20mpg to 17 after lift and tires but it looks and performs way better offroad.

 

[DeepSea]

So.. if all this is true - then what exactly is the benefit of running a C ply vs E ply? I would imagine if they are the same weight the only benefit of C would be a slightly softer ride which also translates to a less durable side wall?

Much better/less firm ride but plenty strength/durable side wall in C rated. As you know, E rated is for vehicles that weigh a ton more. I'd personally rather have the better ride since 95% of my miles are on pavement

 

[Trixx]

Much better/less firm ride but plenty strength/durable side wall in C rated. As you know, E rated is for vehicles that weigh a ton or more. I'd personally rather have the better ride since 95% of my miles are on pavement

A ton is only 2000 lbs.. so that would constitute most vehicles on the road with 4 wheels.

 

[DeepSea]

A ton is only 2000 lbs.. so that would constitute most vehicles on the road with 4 wheels.

Meant a ton more than the 4R:cheers:

 

[Glandnut]

Why Nitto doesn't make a C rated 265/70/17 in the Ridge Grappler is a complete mystery to me. Between that and the current C rated 285, they would put a huge dent in the 4Runner tire market.

 

[dossey]

Mount them up! I think you're the 1st to get 295s so we're anxious to see those bad boys on. I ended up ordering the 285/75r17 because I wanted a C rated 34" tire but wish the 295s were C because I would have gone with that size instead

I would've preferred C's as well but I was set on this size so I just went for it. I'm running 295/65/18 Duratracs right now and the size is perfect. According to online specs, the Nittos are the same width and 0.2" taller. Hopefully that's accurate in real-world specs. I'm still trying to decide what 17" wheels to go with but as soon as I make up my mind I will mount these up and post some pics.

 

[Aurora85]

Why Nitto doesn't make a C rated 265/70/17 in the Ridge Grappler is a complete mystery to me. Between that and the current C rated 285, they would put a huge dent in the 4Runner tire market.

I agree. I really keep hoping they will release the Ridge in SL or C range stock size.

 

[Carolina Roscoe]

So.. if all this is true - then what exactly is the benefit of running a C ply vs E ply? I would imagine if they are the same weight the only benefit of C would be a slightly softer ride which also translates to a less durable side wall?

If this is true (C and E weighing the same) then I feel like a complete dumbass. Maybe I mistook my tire guy's comments as weight and he was thinking ride comfort and heavier trucks using the E more. Either way, I would have chosen the C, as this is my DD.

 

[DeepSea]

285/75R17 "C" installed on 17x8.5 SCS SR8 Wheels with 1.25" G2 Wheel Spacers. I'm really liking this setup. The SR8s are incredibly light, probably the closest to OEM weight available in an aftermarket wheel. Stoked on how it came out!

 

[thedamartini]

Im looking at these tires for my stock 16' 4x4 SR5 as a first upgrade for the truck. Could someone please help me out with what's the largest size that fits the stock rims as well as won't rub?

I read it was 275 but didnt see that particular size on the website.

Thank You,
Ryan

 

[harkco]

285/75R17 "C" installed on 17x8.5 SCS SR8 Wheels with 1.25" G2 Wheel Spacers. I'm really liking this setup. The SR8s are incredibly light, probably the closest to OEM weight available in an aftermarket wheel. Stoked on how it came out!

Have you had to re gear or do a BMC? Looks great, btw. I just watched your install video on you tube yesterday, and now you already have switched out wheels and tires