mybabydaddy
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^^^^^ Yup.
(Minus the 400HP/800HP cars and all the looks part... mine is rather boring looking in comparison.) :lookout:
Official 4Runner VS Raptor - Apples VS Oranges Thread
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^^^^^ Yup.
(Minus the 400HP/800HP cars and all the looks part... mine is rather boring looking in comparison.) :lookout:
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SirBarton
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Raptors are cool. I live in SoCal and have friends and coworkers that go down to Baja often. (I have yet to go for some lame reason.)
Some of them love to go down and go balls out in Raptors and PreRunner style trucks. Some of the San Diego dudes like to take their VW Baja Buggies down there to camp and surf.
If I was in to speed I'd totally look at a Raptor. It's a badass truck.
I like having my Dog in the truck with me. I couldn't take her on a fast Baja run and that right there pretty much kills the need for off road speed. So i've never really seriously considered a Raptor. The 4Runner is perfect for my weekend adventures.
I am looking long and hard at an FJ55 that just came up for sale though....
Some of them love to go down and go balls out in Raptors and PreRunner style trucks. Some of the San Diego dudes like to take their VW Baja Buggies down there to camp and surf.
If I was in to speed I'd totally look at a Raptor. It's a badass truck.
I like having my Dog in the truck with me. I couldn't take her on a fast Baja run and that right there pretty much kills the need for off road speed. So i've never really seriously considered a Raptor. The 4Runner is perfect for my weekend adventures.
I am looking long and hard at an FJ55 that just came up for sale though....
HOJeepster
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You were one of those Fanboys. It's unfortunate how you've turned your back on the very community that has supported your build over the years.
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LawnDart
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Quit trying to make this personal.
Hitting 'like' on posts isn't support, I've supported my build with my time and money. It's amazing how I consider another vehicle and people take it as trashing an entire platform. Good grief.
007Tacoma
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I, for one, would like to say that I am definitely not offended. Different tasks take different tools. A vehicle is nothing more than a means to an end. Get the one that fulfills your needs and the journey will be good if not great.
Isaac, no matter what I will continue to follow your adventures on Instagram or where ever. Quality conversation, honest opinions, and good ole trial and error doesn't deserve internet hate.
shrub1
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Man give the guy a ****ing break. He explained himself over and over and has been transparent and patient during what appears to be a transition period. My guess he is moving on and that's cool. Why cant you be grateful for what he has contributed and shared?
wfo9
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Not trying to start this up again.. but just advice to help you realize how you come across sometimes... Go read your posts again.
Some small sound bite from just this thread. Don't have to look far.
That is just a 60 second sampling...
It has nothing to do with you going to a Raptor....and many of your points along the way are valid .... it has all to do with how you say it and try piss on people along the way.
I'm sure it is just your online persona... I get it. I have said some dumb hyperbole myself here, but I quickly realized how it offended others.
I think if you tone it down a few notches.. you would get a very different response.
Maybe take a more humble approach. humm, how could I have built my truck different... help me out guys... You would be amazed at how many people know more than you. That is the beauty of these forums. Tons of different perspectives and experience. It's frustrating at times.. but in the end we all learn things after listening to 80% noise.
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CoolMax
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I "supported" this post!:cheer2:
Well, if you like the "sitting up high" part of the 4Runner, you'd probably like a high end truck even more.
My 2013 F250 I had rode better than my 4Runner in virtually every aspect, especially on the interstate. The only thing my 4runner does easier is parallel park and pull into spaces. I actually found backing into spaces with the F250 to be significantly easier. Add in a better head unit, cooled seats, and a 1000x better AC. Not to mention, the drivers/passenger cabin feels about 1.5x larger. Maybe I'm not as used to the 4runner, but it is definitely cramped in comparison.
Again - I am also comparing a 60k truck to a 40k SUV, which sort of is what the thread is about.
Don't take this negative feedback as bashing towards the 4runner as they are $20k apart in price and two totally different vehicles. One with 400hp/800lb torque stock vs one with 270hp.
My point is that really the 4runner is just a very standard SUV. It has good looks and some off-road capabilities, and hopefully more reliability. Other than that, I see virtually nothing that sets it apart from any other SUV, and many places where it significantly falls short, such as power, handling, and interior amenities. In today's market at the 40k price range it's competitive. I guess I would've just been happier dropping another 10k for stuff like cooled seats, a better factory stereo, and a much more powerful engine.
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LawnDart
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You're not at all regretful you're starting this up again. And it cracks me up you still preface it like that.
I'm not soliciting advice from people who don't know my rig that well, or haven't put it in the same situation, that's had me reconsidering the very platform.
The OP specifically started this thread to stir up shit, sit back, and watch the reaction. I reacted, and if that ruffled feathers, ah damn...oh well.
Edit: please let this thread die. do it...
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LawnDart
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The average price for the Tacoma TRD Pro factoring dealer markup is about 51K. Fifty One Thousand dollars, and people are paying it?!
So the margin gets even narrower!
RUNTHAT
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That looks like a good time! Nice gear.
It's one of two body on frame SUV's under $40K. I just never cared for the UniBody SUVs. So in that sense, its pretty unique. The other option being a Jeep Wrangler. Which is entirely different in so many regards I won't bother.
Yes, you can get trucks for that price, and yes they're bigger. But they're trucks not SUVs, and bigger isn't always better (Crew cabs don't fit in my garage.)
You think thats bad - there was a dealership that had a TRD-Off Road, not even a PRO with a lift kit and chrome tastic wheels on it, they wanted $55K for it! I literally said "Why would you not just buy a raptor?" to the sales guy and he said "I have no idea."
CoolMax
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It is debatable whether or not that truck was even worth $60k to begin with. The added cost of the diesel aside, many of those trucks can be had in base form for around $30-$40k. The extra $15k-$20k has a lot to do with all the luxury items and gadgets that many truck owners now expect to have. And it's those fully loaded trucks that often see massive depreciation hits in their first 4-5 years of ownership.
It's not like a 3/4 ton, like the F250, has better offroad prowess than something like the 4runner. Given its size and weight, it likely isn't. The extra money you pay for a 3/4 ton is due to the extra towing/payload capabilities, more powerful engine options, and, depending on the trim level, greater luxury features. So in essence, the F250 is also just your standard pickup, it's just that some versions come fully loaded with diesel engines and luxury features, which drives up the price.
And as someone else has pointed out, the 4runner is very unique due to its BOF construction and offroad prowess. Most so-called "SUV's" are nothing more than unibody passenger car platforms that have a mild lift and no where close to the offroad capabilities that a 4runner has. The 4runner's interior and comfort is mediocre compared to other brands, but it is more than adequate for long trips. And unlike other brands or SUV's, like Land Rover and Toyota's own LC 200, the base interiors keep the price down, which makes the vehicle more accessible to the average buyer, which in turn allows for more of them to be sold. So in that regard, I'm very glad Toyota has decided to keep the 4runner simple and spartan. I'd like to see more innovation in the engine department, but that aside, I think Toyota has hit a homerun with the 4runner, and the sales numbers prove it.
You obviously know very little about diesel trucks.
Find me A brand new crew cab, 2017 F250 under $40k. Looking on eBay right now a bare bones XLT extended cab is $43k.
As for depreciation, I paid 56k for my F250 brand new. I sold it after 4.5 years and 77k miles for $40k, and with the ton of interest I had from buyers I probably could have got more.
So - in 4 years and 77k miles it lost 29% of its value.
So - comparatively, that would be like my $39k trd off road being worth $27,700 after 4 years and 77k miles.
Here's a 4 year old trail edition with 72k miles for $26k...
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