Oil Real vs. Synthetic

[Hitman]

If you have an open mind you can see that using the right filtration (oil/air) it is possible to use the same oil (synthetic), safely, for over 100K miles.

Koz

Great... someone who thinks that synthetic oil can be good for 100K miles (with the "right" filtration).

Hhahahahahhaha..

What's next, a tank of gas that lasts for 50K miles??

You are living in a fantasy world.

BTW, oil filters mainly filter particulates in the oil, not all contaminents (especially water and fuel). And yes, fuel can find its way into your oil, even on a healthy engine.

 

[Hitman]

However, I don't completely agree that filtration is the determining factor in oil life. A bypass filter will allow for longer OCI's, but you are still limited by the oil's ability to deal with combustion byproducts. .

Wow, I'm impressed. You actually said something that I agree with here....

So I guess you would not say that the same synthetic oil could be used for 100K miles, huh?

 

[bulldog-yota]

What facts have YOU provided?? A link or two from an oil company website?

Well, I provided a similar link of my own, so I'm doing the same thing as you.

Face it, 99% of this debate has been opinion and NOTHING else.

The links I provided are stating the facts I represent clearly. Yours does not even come close, you mearly extracted what suited you, yet on the same page it says no issiues with doing syn from the start.

Yet you keep going round in circles again and again.

SO I go back to where we start, proof it! Because you can't. And instead of admitting you were incorrect in that it is an opinion rather than a well known fact, you keep trying to play little word games and circular arguments.

So just proof it or admit you were incorrect in your statement. If it is well known fact you should be able to provide lots of instant proof points. It took me less than 2 minutes to provide you with 2 proofpoints from reputable companies to back up my point.

All I ask is proof a "well known fact" beyond a shadow of a doubt or admit you were wrong.

A well known fact have lots of proof to back it up, not just opinion. Give me engine manufacturers who say do not break the engine in with synthetic, or at least more reputable proof. I have given you two reputable oil companies, whi clearly state that you can use syn as soon as possible. Or do you think you know better than Mobil?

 

[Koz]

The system I posted DOES indeed filter out even water. I've come to the conclusion that some people only see and hear what they want to, that supports their ideas (sad). I know it's hard for some people to except the FACT that this can be possible and are uncomfortable with keeping their oil in their engine for so long but, time will tell. I will be using this system and I will share the oil analysis reports with anyone who's interested.

Peace
Koz

 

[Bluto]

The system I posted DOES indeed filter out even water. I've come to the conclusion that some people only see and hear what they want to, that supports their ideas (sad). I know it's hard for some people to except the FACT that this can be possible and are uncomfortable with keeping their oil in their engine for so long but, time will tell. I will be using this system and I will share the oil analysis reports with anyone who's interested.

Peace
Koz

Why do you feel the bypass system is necessary for you?

Will the system affect oil flow and pressure?


I think it would be a lot of fun to install and run. But I don't need it.

 

[Kanab]

Using synthetic oil in the Toyota 4.7 V8 engine to make it last longer is like driving finishing nails with a sledge hammer. If you don't believe me check out how this engine does with used oil analysis at www.bobistheoilguy.com If it makes you feel better to use synthetic in this engine then do it, but it won't make it last any longer or if it does you are talking 600,000 miles versus 500,000 miles with dino oil and I don't think this difference is meaningful to any normal owner. I would save the synthetic for the high reving high performance sports car or if you live in death valley or Alaska.

 

[Hitman]

The links I provided are stating the facts I represent clearly. Yours does not even come close, you mearly extracted what suited you, yet on the same page it says no issiues with doing syn from the start.

Yet you keep going round in circles again and again.

SO I go back to where we start, proof it! Because you can't. And instead of admitting you were incorrect in that it is an opinion rather than a well known fact, you keep trying to play little word games and circular arguments.

So just proof it or admit you were incorrect in your statement. If it is well known fact you should be able to provide lots of instant proof points. It took me less than 2 minutes to provide you with 2 proofpoints from reputable companies to back up my point.

All I ask is proof a "well known fact" beyond a shadow of a doubt or admit you were wrong.

A well known fact have lots of proof to back it up, not just opinion. Give me engine manufacturers who say do not break the engine in with synthetic, or at least more reputable proof. I have given you two reputable oil companies, whi clearly state that you can use syn as soon as possible. Or do you think you know better than Mobil?

Do you know better than Amsoil?

We already had someone who owns a 350Z who told you guys that Nissan recommends against using synthetic oil right in the owner's manual.

Do you think Nissan is the only one??

Mazda makes the same recommendation, right in an owners manual.

It's funny that you think a website link validates your claim as fact. As anyone knows, we can find OPINIONS that go either way all over the 'net.

 

[Hitman]

The system I posted DOES indeed filter out even water. I've come to the conclusion that some people only see and hear what they want to, that supports their ideas (sad). I know it's hard for some people to except the FACT that this can be possible and are uncomfortable with keeping their oil in their engine for so long but, time will tell. I will be using this system and I will share the oil analysis reports with anyone who's interested.

Peace
Koz

So you will not change your synethic oil for 100K miles? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Hitman]

Using synthetic oil in the Toyota 4.7 V8 engine to make it last longer is like driving finishing nails with a sledge hammer. If you don't believe me check out how this engine does with used oil analysis at www.bobistheoilguy.com If it makes you feel better to use synthetic in this engine then do it, but it won't make it last any longer or if it does you are talking 600,000 miles versus 500,000 miles with dino oil and I don't think this difference is meaningful to any normal owner. I would save the synthetic for the high reving high performance sports car or if you live in death valley or Alaska.

Exactly.

Well said.

 

[greasefingers]

Lets say you were to keep synthetic oil in an engine for 4,000 miles. If synthetic oil comes out exactly the same color, as it was when it was filled, then I would switch. But it does not. Why, because it gets contaminated from salts, acids, carbon, & other junk from the combustion process. Every engine has some blow-by. Even new-ish engines. Oil becomes contaminated way before it thermally degrades. If I lived in extremely cold climates or if I raced it on a track, then I would reconsider. Right now I will change it often with cheap oil. I like working on my T4R and don

 

[405HP_Z06]

Never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

:FOS: :smash: :gay: :flipoff: :goinposta

 

[4RunningGuy]

Can't we all just get along?


(Sorry if anyone was offended by that pic, it was meant as a joke)

 

[Hitman]

Never argue with idiots, they drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Hitman, you are an idiot.

:FOS: :smash: :gay: :flipoff: :goinposta

Right back at ya, pal...

You're just pissed because you can't answer my question without looking like an idiot.

Do you still stand by your statement that synethic is not more slippery than dino oil?

You know that I've got you by the short hairs

 

[Koz]

405HP_Z06,

I was wondering how long you were going to piss into the wind before you realized it wasn't raining.

Koz

 

[greasefingers]

I love this topic because it

 

[Hitman]

I love this topic because it

 

[Kmvreter]

I want to keep it till it dies...

So can I stir the pot on this topic. If I go synthetic I would use the best, M1, but it's pricey and I would still stick to the warranty intervals. But I've never seen an M1 syn. blend (does it exist?) to keep the cost down. So heres my option: create my own blend by subbing in 1 or 1.5 quarts of M1 with the dino. The modern stuff should mix, I get better cold weather flow and I hedge my costs.
Now let's see the opinions fly...

 

[Hitman]

Re: I want to keep it till it dies...

So can I stir the pot on this topic. If I go synthetic I would use the best, M1, but it's pricey and I would still stick to the warranty intervals. But I've never seen an M1 syn. blend (does it exist?) to keep the cost down. So heres my option: create my own blend by subbing in 1 or 1.5 quarts of M1 with the dino. The modern stuff should mix, I get better cold weather flow and I hedge my costs.
Now let's see the opinions fly...

You are absolutely right.... there is no harm or danger by mixing 100% synethic oil with the same classification and weight conventional oil.

That's exactly what synethic blends are... synthetic oil mixed with conventional oil... bottled and sold to you by your favorite oil company.

But what most people don't know is that the ratio of synthetic to conventional oil is not too good. It's not a 50-50 mix... it's actually much less.

So you could simply buy equal amounts of both oils and create your own 50-50 mix. It would be cheaper than buying blended oil and you'd have a higher percentage of synthetic in your homemade blend

 

[Kanab]

I've owned several Dodge Cummins Turbo diesels and we have had several of these oil discussions on the "Turbo diesel registry" website. It is interesting to note that members of the website have several Dodge Cummins turbo diesels that have gone over 1,000,000 miles with no oil related problems on Rotella T 15w40 dino oil. There is not one of the 20,000 plus members that have used synthetic oil and by pass filters and have ever gone close to 1,000,000 miles, not saying that they couldn't and won't some day get there but why not just use the dino juice that has done it in the past? This is on a heavy duty turbo charged diesel engine that takes a lot more abuse then our 4.7 V8's.

PS- most of the CTD owners that use the synthetic motor oil live in very, very cold climates and need the quick sub-zero flow quality that the synthetics give you on cold starts. I would also use a synthetic for my 4runner if I was faced with these same conditions. It's all about using the right tool for the right job. JMHO

 

[Kmvreter]

"...owners that use the synthetic motor oil live in very, very cold climates and need the quick sub-zero flow quality that the synthetics give you on cold starts."

That's exactly what I sometimes face. I'm not always able to plug in the block heater when I'm away from home (ie. at work.) They don't recommend to go back and forth (syn to dino) from winter to summer otherwise I would just do that. I guess I could suck it up and use M1 full time and hope I get some fuel savings. Does anyone have any actual fuel economy numbers of dino vs. syn? I'm anal for numbers/stats and I track mine. I guess I'll have to switch and do some long term experiments.