OME 890 (light duty rear coils) WEAK!

[nquaint]

Gotcha ya boss. :bigok:

yeah the whole thing can get confusing after a while, what helped me understand it all was when I ordered my lift from toytec over the phone the sales rep explained everything barney style for me. The kit I got originally has 890s for rear coils but when I told him I always have some extra weight in the plus the hitch he agreed that I change the 890s for the 891s. They are the same basic amount of lift but have different weight ratings if that helps.

 

[CSL]

The kit I got originally has 890s for rear coils but when I told him I always have some extra weight in the plus the hitch he agreed that I change the 890s for the 891s. They are the same basic amount of lift but have different weight ratings if that helps.

Wish I had gotten that response when I said the same exact thing...I guess that's why I started this thread, so folks can hear from other folks personal experiences. So let it be said again:

IN-VEHICLE GEAR DOES MATTER IN SUSPENSION DESIGN

 

[techno]

Though I might this pic into this thread for anyone who's interested. A couple of people have pm'ed me asking about my vehicle ride height.
Tundra coils up front, 890's out back. OME shocks all round. Car is parked on a slight downward slope towards the rear and has about 100 lbs in the cargo area and has a near empty fuel tank.

 

[sn0wrunner]

I'm going to put in some land cruiser coils in the rear. They are longer and should put my rear end up another couple inches. I will get a some rake, but i like the look with just a 1-2" rake. My rear has began to sag since i got my rear bumper. And I'm only running spacers in the rear right now.

 

[CSL]

I'm going to put in some land cruiser coils in the rear. They are longer and should put my rear end up another couple inches. I will get a some rake, but i like the look with just a 1-2" rake. My rear has began to sag since i got my rear bumper. And I'm only running spacers in the rear right now.

One_96TR4 mentioned the land cruiser coils also (sorry I ignored it until now). So what do you mean by this guys. Stock coils from a land cruiser of a year similar to our t4r's or OME coils designed for land cruisers? I am confused.

I think the rake will be fine, and maybe make it easier to see over the hood. I don't mind a stiffer ride either (that's what she said!...childish, I know! lol!)

Sn0wrunner, if you get new coils before I can afford to fix my issue, maybe I can buy those rear spacers from you as a temporary and cheap fix. :biggrin2:

 

[techno]

The Cruiser coils are stock 80 series rear coils. I know MillerPKA has them...

 

[DewRunner]

The Cruiser coils are stock 80 series rear coils. I know MillerPKA has them...

you use the front LC coils on the rear axle.

 

[Ron Helmuth]

nice shot techno - not sure I have seen photos of your ride.

If you look at just the two posts above me you can see that the whole lift issue is pretty confusing . The choices are overwhelming and some folks even go Crusier fronts to rears and vice versa! okay maybe not



techno you seem to have a heck of lot of rear lift for just 890s. What are those some super duper OME testers or what! just kidding dude it must be that downward slope of the lot contributing a trick of the eye.

I have 891s and my rear sits no higher-I do have some rake .

Mine will level out some in the back when I load up 400 lbs or more. As you all may have heard me rant before I am still moaning that I can't run front mud flaps even now with my 881s up front, I don't have the clearance for turning.

I am still of the opinion that each vehicle sits slightly lower or higher due to at least a few or is it (?) many variables.

Tire size-wheel size-springs and what else contribute to overall vehicle height? Just the body "pucks" correct? (the basis of body lifts as I understand it)

Do we all agree that shocks do not affect height at rest? Or is it not that simple?

I am still learning-and I still recall Steve of Sonoran Steel's advice-OME coils are for weight capability-not lift.

Indeed many of the best lift setups use the Landcruiser tall coils for their rear ends and Tundra coils up front.

Glen thanks for letting us meander willy nilly thru the minefields of lifts.

 

[G.I.G.]

Hey CSL, any updates? Don't know what off-road shop you were at but I was at Slee Off-Road in Golden just a couple of days ago talking to them on this very topic. It sounds like they recommend the medium duty coils for most applications, and the heavy duty coils if you're running aftermarket bumpers and/or a lot of expedition gear. As others have mentioned, a little bit of rake is good for this exact reason. I don't think you would want it to sit perfectly level when it is empty because you will get sagging when it is loaded. It sounds like you should go with the medium duty coils at least, and if you go with a new rear bumper, the heavy duty might be even better. You should give Ben at Slee a call. Let us know what you come up with....

 

[CSL]

Hey CSL, any updates? Don't know what off-road shop you were at but I was at Slee Off-Road in Golden just a couple of days ago talking to them on this very topic. It sounds like they recommend the medium duty coils for most applications, and the heavy duty coils if you're running aftermarket bumpers and/or a lot of expedition gear. As others have mentioned, a little bit of rake is good for this exact reason. I don't think you would want it to sit perfectly level when it is empty because you will get sagging when it is loaded. It sounds like you should go with the medium duty coils at least, and if you go with a new rear bumper, the heavy duty might be even better. You should give Ben at Slee a call. Let us know what you come up with....

Actually is was Slee who recommended I stick with the 890 (light) rear, and sort of snickered at the idea of my camping gear being a consideration. I didn't want to state the shop name because I did not want to sound like I was bashing the shop. I am sure they didn't realize (or I wasn't clear) that my "gear" was for a family of five for 5 day excursions with an 80lb dog as well. I don't blame them...I blame myself for not going with my gut instinct...

Not sure my plan. Ultimately I will get the 891's (I think) until I can afford to upgrade my suspension (again) I will try to pick up sn0wrunners old spacers when he gets his land cruiser coils on.

We just got back from a fully loaded 4 night camping trip and I was sagging really bad! I also need to get some more power behind it, as the heavy loads really made a negative impact on my trail abilities (never got stopped, just took a lot more work!).

I think I have pretty much pushed a 3rd gens storage capacity to the limits...but the small and nimble size was perfect for some of the narrow and twisty trails we took through the forests.

NOTE: Taylor resevior and surrounding trails are AWESOME!

 

[G.I.G.]

Actually is was Slee who recommended I stick with the 890 (light) rear, and sort of snickered at the idea of my camping gear being a consideration. I didn't want to state the shop name because I did not want to sound like I was bashing the shop. I am sure they didn't realize (or I wasn't clear) that my "gear" was for a family of five for 5 day excursions with an 80lb dog as well. I don't blame them...I blame myself for not going with my gut instinct...

Not sure my plan. Ultimately I will get the 891's (I think) until I can afford to upgrade my suspension (again) I will try to pick up sn0wrunners old spacers when he gets his land cruiser coils on.

We just got back from a fully loaded 4 night camping trip and I was sagging really bad! I also need to get some more power behind it, as the heavy loads really made a negative impact on my trail abilities (never got stopped, just took a lot more work!).

I think I have pretty much pushed a 3rd gens storage capacity to the limits...but the small and nimble size was perfect for some of the narrow and twisty trails we took through the forests.

NOTE: Taylor resevior and surrounding trails are AWESOME!

Wow, interesting. Maybe they think the lighter load springs are better on the 3rd gens for some reason, but when I was talking to Ben, he made it sound like the medium load springs would be best for my 4th without after market bumpers or expedition gear. He also told me (which makes sense) that you want a little bit of rake so that when you do load up your car with camping gear, etc. that your car will sit level rather than sag. Maybe they did underestimate the amount of load you put in there, but with the 3rd gens being even more notorious for sag than the 4th gens, it surprises me that they would suggest the lighter load springs. Maybe due to ride quality when not loaded? If you bought them and had them installed there, maybe they can work with you on a new set for the rears.

And yes, the Taylor reservoir area is a beautiful area! My fiancee and I were in Crested Butte over the weekend as well. Great weather for wheel'n (because it was kind of crappy for everything else) but we took her Highlander rather than my 4R

 

[bulger22]

What year Land Cruiser coils are the ones you can use for the rear lift? I can't seem to find them *****es anywhere through searching. I found them one time, but forgot to save it as a favorite.

Thanks.

-Bulger

 

[CSL]

GOT SAG?

It looks much worse in real life than the photo shows. This is a 3rd gen loaded for a 4 night camping trip with a family of 5, 80lb dog, 7 gal of water, 2 coolers and then basic camping necessities. The only "extra" in my mind are 5 folding camping chairs.

I think this photo is funny, because even I can't believe that all the gear on the ground in the photo (and the gear in the dog area inside the rig on the drivers side) actually fits inside the passenger side of the divider in the cargo area.

Here it is packed in...believe it or not

I LOVE MY 3RD GEN T4R RV!

 

[4X4snowRunner]

Re: GOT SAG?

It looks much worse in real life than the photo shows. This is a 3rd gen loaded for a 4 night camping trip with a family of 5, 80lb dog, 7 gal of water, 2 coolers and then basic camping necessities. The only "extra" in my mind are 5 folding camping chairs.

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What is your front lift measure (inches) with ARB Bull Bar and winch from edge of the fenders to the center of your wheels? My setup OME891 is half inch lower in the front with spare tire and 60 pound of tool box. Then again I don't have winch and bull bar. I want to add another OME10mm trim spacer or go for fzj80 OME861 front coil to level with OME882.

TECHNICAL DATA SHEET
OME 861 LOW HEIGHTHEAVY LOAD 10MM (3/8-INCH)
www.trdparts4u.com. attn. Jacque Arnondin (he have that setup)

 

[sseaman]

Any more pics or info on the cargo build out?

 

[CSL]

sseaman, I did a thread on the dog storage system. There aren't any pics of it "during construction", but a little more info.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=49595&perpage=15&pagenumber=1

4x4 snowRunner,
The front is 22 5/8" from center of wheel to fender and the rear is 22 7/8".
This is with about 100lbs in the back and parked nose up on a small incline.

 

[CSL]

PROBLEM SOLVED!!

Thanks to the internet, this awesome forum, and it's membership my suspension problem is solved, and so is someone elses.

Another member with a 99 3rd gen and 891 coils in the rear was unhappy with how stiff they felt. He PM'd me the idea of a coil swap. So this morning we put my 890's in his and his 891's in mine and we were both happy with the results.

We test drove them both, before and after the swap. He said his felt much better and more cushioned over the bumpy road. I honestly did not feel a difference at all, but I had more weight in the back then him (gear, dog storage, heavy roof rack). I did not find it to be stiff at all.

I gained about a 1/2" in height and he lost about a 1/2" in height. I think when loaded I will be sitting just about right. After the next fully-loaded trip I will take and post pics of the difference in sag.

What an awesome end to this story. Two members got new mods that make them happy and it cost $0 dollars for both of us. Does it get any better...

Big thanks to Auto Zone for their free rental of two coil compressors.

 

[E30RUNNER]

good to hear you figured things out especially at no cost to you!

I always thought the 890s provided more lift than the 891s at free weight. I think the 891 are a shorter coil but have a higher compression rate so when weight is added they handle it better than 890s do. Therefore 891s provide more lift but only if under weight? Is that right???

I'm considering going with the FZJ80 rear coils, maybe I can get lucky and find someone interested in some 890s

 

[Ron Helmuth]

my butt thanks CSL

that was me that got the benefit of CSL's 890 swap for 891s.

And in the process I learned how truly easy it is to do the rear coils.

The 890 coils are a great choice for a slight bit of lift with a comfortable ride. They enhance the feel of the rear shocks and my ride is now more of a roll off of a bump than a sharp rebound.

The benefit is all mine. I hope you keep liking the 891s cause I don't think I want to go back....


modding my signature now

 

[4X4snowRunner]

the right setup for heavy load

Here is the pic of the 4Runner I was talking about from http://www.trdparts4u.com/