Orlando Attack...ISIS claims it!

I am not against Muslims. I am against the Muslims in America that aren't up in arms screaming at how stupid these ISIS attacks are. Where is the outrage. And don't tell me it's there it's not publicly. If it was it would be an easier way to distinguish the many good from the few bad. But since they are not in a outrage it's easy to see how the average person assumes that all Muslims agree with this.

Edit: don't tell me there is outrage with the few protests that have happened. A few hundred people or even a 1000 is such a small percentage of the Muslim population in America it isn't a real protest.




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I have pondered this for quite some time, i suppose they are just afraid if they do show outrage then they will become the target.
 
That is a weak excuse. Condemning it would be the only way they can distance themselves from the sh*t heads.


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That is a weak excuse. Condemning it would be the only way they can distance themselves from the sh*t heads.


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Maybe that is the whole point i don't know. I'm with you though, they need to stand up, it all just gets to politically correct. Oh wait, if they ban guns that will fix it. I'm far from knowing what the answer is. :juggle:
 
I have no problem with a proficiency requirement. I personally would like to see a Federalized CCW permit recognized across all 50 states with a standardized proficiency test requirement... Just like a driving test or something along those lines. It seems to me that a constitutional right should be administered by the Feds rather than hodge podged together by the states, several of which have insufficient standards or oppressive standards...

My idea would go as follows:

State license still available for those who live in ccw friendly states and dont want a fed license
fed license for those who want nation wide ccw
1) required to take course on use of firearm/laws/vignetts/range qualification (or professional background showing proficiency "police officers, combat (not the bean counters) Soldiers, etc..." etc...
2) recognized nation wide
I wasn't sure if this was sarcasm or not, until later when I read some more. you were being serious.
so, not just no, but hell no. that is not how RIGHTS work.

You all are crazy for WANTING a right to be watered down with requirements to practice it. That's a permission, not a right.

How about we give tests yearly for IQ, and if you don't meet the minimum you lose the right to free speech and the right to vote?

How about we give drug tests monthly and if you fail you just lost your right to freedom of religion and you are now subject to warantless searches?

I know some of you wont see all rights as equal, and that's bogus- but let me go further into why your ideals above are complete shit.

How about the single mother who barely had enough money to get by that lives I a bad neighborhood that wants a gun to protect herself and her child- how is she supposed to afford these clAsses and requirements?

How about we just reimpose a poll tax- because that is essentially what you guys are calling for and its ridiculous.

Rights are just that, once you allow the state to water them down with requirements or fees they become permissions granted by the state and that is not what Liberty, freedom of this country is about. Period.

"The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" is pretty straight to the point and there is NO room for interpretation

There should be no permit process to excercise a right. There should be no fees to excercise a right and there should be no minimum requirements to excercise a right.

If you can't understand the above, you need to do some critical thinking, and research the stats. CCW holders are FAR more proficient than LEO's in real world shoots. It's a well known fact. Private citizens are involved in a greater number of shootings, they cause less collateral damage and less loss of life is involved versus police shootings.

Most people who CCW already practice more than your average LEO. Do you know what most departments require for training with firearms in a year?

It's equivalent to how much I shoot in one single week of the year.

There is this idea among people that because law enforcement officers use a gun as a tool for their jobs- they must all be proficient shooters and the general public is just a bunch of fudds with guns that can't shoot. It's a joke.

Here:
Guns in America | Facts and statistics about firearms in the USA

When one removes ignorance, speculation and bias from the equation and merely researches the facts- the picture is quite clear folks.

I urge you to really think about these issues through the lens of truth and fact- not through fear, ignorance or speculation.

Read the friggin CDC reports on crime and shootings, read the FBi uniform crime report, look at real world shooting statistics and quit regurgitating BS you heard on the news or saw posted on Facebook.

yes. exactly.

we cannot continue to be free, and live the lives that were made possible to us, if we insist on turning rights into privileges.
 

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