Paralyzed by indecision on tires

[Jetboy]

Yeah, you're right. I need to let go of the delusion that we're going to overland to South America, and just do the right thing and get the LTX.

Now, one other question - get the LT or P?

Fwiw, Michelin ltx AT2 would probably be great for overland in Africa.

It's a tire worth consideration as a compromise.

I have the ltx AT2 on my f250. They're great so far. Smooth, quiet, great traction in every situation I've used them. But I don't take it off road. It breaks down a lot. I don't trust it to get me back even if I dont get stuck.

Ltx MS are hard to beat all around. They've been around forever for good reason.

 

[Humble Leader]

Yeah, you're right. I need to let go of the delusion that we're going to overland to South America, and just do the right thing and get the LTX.

Now, one other question - get the LT or P?

LT if you tow, P is fine for everything else

 

[Knoxes]

Quitter.

Ha! If I even hinted at the idea, Mrs K would be packed and ready to go in 10 minutes.

 

[mrblah]

ko2's, they are extremely durable and extremely reliable tire.


I would use the ko2s as the baseline to measure all other all-terrain tires out there.

They manage to do enough in all conditions (except mud pits and black ice), that it will get you out of most situations.

I've put my ko2 through hell and back and they've always managed to get me home and are extremely civilized for daily driving.

Between E and C load. I probably would go with C load if you spend most if not all your time on the tarmac, but want to still go places in adverse weather conditions or want the occasional dirt therapy.

BFG has earned my business in the AT market.

 

[Nick B]

What about the new BFG Trail Terrain ?

 

[DFWPhotoguy]

Analysis paralysis gets me on most my purchases. We went with Cooper Discoverer ATP and have been thrilled, especially with rain stopping. They are a little louder than typical tires but nothing that we aren't used to with a loaded roof rack (or when we drive my FJ). I think they just released Discoverer ATP II which might have solved a little of the noise.

 

[salsanacho]

Analysis paralysis gets me on most my purchases.

Yeah same here, but I think at some point you just have to go with the law of averages. There's always going to be someone with a negative opinion for a certain product, but if there's sufficient positive feedback you just have to go with the majority rules.

 

[Sgb020]

I had a bad set of falken Wildpeak at3w that would not balance and discount tire replaced them with pathfinder at. I only have 2k on them and I want to replace them with general atx 177 a tire before the 100 rebate from general.

 

[lonest4r]

I have mixed feelings on KO2s. quiet, but didn't mix well in the wet roads here. On the highway in the rain, they're not too bad. Ended up selling to a friend that uses them on his truck that is used to tow his boat. He has the same experience in the wet.

replaced with Mickey Thompson ATZ P3. a little noiser, but better performance in the wet. lost of compliments from people.

 

[batex]

I bet you would be very happy with Toyo open country AT IIIs.

 

[ferrisDJB]

A different approach...

So if you are 90% on road...how about this idea. Buy an extra set of rims, stock, or something you don't blow too much money on and pick up a set of A/T tires that will fit your occasional use. I plan on doing the same when I travel for grouse hunts. Fire lanes, gravel, dirt, unapproved trails, logging trails that M/S tires can't compete. I've been on some trails where the deeper I've gone the more I realize that once stuck.....ain't nobody coming to help. Thats not a good feeling so thats why I decided to go this route. Traveling to and from I'll put 1000mi (highway) on that set, but once in the woods that's the pay off. Confidence instead of panic...next upgrade will be a front mounted winch.

 

[Knoxes]

I have mixed feelings on KO2s. quiet, but didn't mix well in the wet roads here. On the highway in the rain, they're not too bad. Ended up selling to a friend that uses them on his truck that is used to tow his boat. He has the same experience in the wet.

That was my experience with the T/A's from years ago. I had them on an XJ and they were slippery. That's the main reason why I have some reservations about the KO2.

 

[RichinRidgewood]

So if you are 90% on road...how about this idea. Buy an extra set of rims, stock, or something you don't blow too much money on and pick up a set of A/T tires that will fit your occasional use. I plan on doing the same when I travel for grouse hunts. Fire lanes, gravel, dirt, unapproved trails, logging trails that M/S tires can't compete. I've been on some trails where the deeper I've gone the more I realize that once stuck.....ain't nobody coming to help. Thats not a good feeling so thats why I decided to go this route. Traveling to and from I'll put 1000mi (highway) on that set, but once in the woods that's the pay off. Confidence instead of panic...next upgrade will be a front mounted winch.

This is the right way to do it imho

 

[DFWPhotoguy]

Between this forum, the FJ forum and Reddit, the majority of my decisions are influenced somehow by the masses more than anything else. I know the some of the FB groups probably have good info but I will literally do anything I can to avoid going to that dark place, lol.

 

[Wizzard]

The newer Toyo AT3 are very nice, work well in wet/dry snowflake rating and quiet. Couldn't pay me to accept a set of KO2s...horrible in wet. Ridge Grapplers tend to chunk when used hard and not good in snow...but good otherwise. The Falkens went to a lesser quality China rubber compound recently, 'used' to be a great tire.

 

[nonuniform]

The thing about all tire opinions is that there is no baseline for the experience people are describing.

I used to have a square body suburban that everyone borrowed to go camping, move stuff, burning man, ski at Tahoe, whatever. Everyone came back with a different opinion about how it handled, and what it was capable of. This truck had some sort of generic pizza cutter tires with mild tread that seemed ok in the snow.

For a while, the steering wheel screws were loose, kept meaning to fix them, but, it meant there was a lot of slop in the steering. It was fine and manageable to me, but from others:

- it was a death trap, thought they were going to die. Turns out this person was driving 90mph in a 20 year old truck on a tight two lane in Nevada.

- Great in the snow, drove right up the mountain passing all the other SUVs.

- Terrible in the snow, scared the hell out of me.

- Great in the rain, snow and ice for such a long wheelbase (experienced east coast driver that knew their s**t)

- Terrible in the rain (again, a speeder, slow the f**k down, it's a truck)


So, final thoughts:

- each person's opinion is dependent on their skill, experience, and baseline fear level that they can live with

- you can't compare yourself and your experiences with people you don't know

- in general, most tires within a certain category are the same. Dedicated snow tires are the best in the snow and ice, dedicated mud tires are best in the mud, all-terrain tires are a compromise, road tires are a compromise...

- slow the f**k down in the rain and snow, how hard is that?

- if you live in an area that you have to worry about ice, a Subaru with blizzaks will serve you better than a 4runner. Sorry.

- be honest with yourself, do you want your truck to look badass with aggressive tires? Or are you truly being functional. TBH, if you were truly functional you'd have a Subaru.

 

[TEujunga]

The thing about all tire opinions is that there is no baseline for the experience people are describing.

- each person's opinion is dependent on their skill, experience, and baseline fear level that they can live with

- you can't compare yourself and your experiences with people you don't know

- in general, most tires within a certain category are the same. Dedicated snow tires are the best in the snow and ice, dedicated mud tires are best in the mud, all-terrain tires are a compromise, road tires are a compromise...

All true. It's why all threads like this are essentially pointless. But people seem to enjoy the exercise, pointless though it may be, so I've learned not to rain on their parade.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

- if you live in an area that you have to worry about ice, a Subaru with blizzaks will serve you better than a 4runner. Sorry.

- be honest with yourself, do you want your truck to look badass with aggressive tires? Or are you truly being functional. TBH, if you were truly functional you'd have a Subaru.

Or you’d have a Limited with H4F setting on the dial [emoji23]

Subaru has 4 different AWD systems. Just pick one / any of them are better?


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[Jakeepoo3]

Wildpeak AT3W. I off road all the time and these tires will handle anything. I understand you're not looking for anything hardcore. I also like to drive aggressively on pavement and curvy roads. These tires have no road noise and handle like a sports car when inflated to the correct pressure. Very strong sidewalls with no squishy roll feeling in heavy cornering. All around the best tire and the cheapest!!

 

[BorotHex]

Wildpeak AT3W. I off road all the time and these tires will handle anything. I understand you're not looking for anything hardcore. I also like to drive aggressively on pavement and curvy roads. These tires have no road noise and handle like a sports car when inflated to the correct pressure. Very strong sidewalls with no squishy roll feeling in heavy cornering. All around the best tire and the cheapest!!

Are you running stock size?