Pics and thoughts after upgrading to 32" 265/75/16 LT tires

andrewbares

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I've been wanting to upgrade to the 1" bigger tires, 32" tires - the largest that can fit on our 3rd gens without rubbing, and a flat finally prompted the upgrade.

HOW DO THEY DRIVE? GAS MPG? More on that below the pics.

I took before/after pics... honestly it's hardly noticeable in the pics. Obviously the new tires look dramatically better - their tread is new compared to 6/32nd and they're fresh black, and the tread on the new ones BFG KO2's is also more aggressive than the old Firestone Destination A/T's. In person it definitely looks better than the old tires.

I have a 1-1.5" lift on the truck, so these tires definitely fill out the lift nicely whereas the older stock size tires looked a bit smaller in there.









HOW'S THE RIDE?

They're actually smoother/softer over bumps than my old tires. I think that's mostly because these are light truck tires which weigh 53 lbs, whereas the Firestone's were passenger tires that only weighed 40 lbs. I had two unrepairable flats from dirt roads on the passenger tires in 3 years, so hoping these light truck ones hold up better (2021 update - Still running the same light truck tires, ZERO flats after 4 years!). This heavier "unsprung" weight seems to pair better with my OME suspension kit which appreciates the heavier tires. I went over some speed bumps that are usually violent, and the suspension actually absorbed the bumps!

WHAT'S THE GAS MILEAGE LIKE?

2021 Update: Last 3,000 miles on the new tires: 18.3 MPG (after adjusted down for 3.3% additional odometer travel due to bigger tires). I normally was getting 18.6 MPG. So that's a drop of 1.6% MPG, which is pretty minimal.

2017 Original: First trip stats are in: 18.1 MPG (after adjusted for 3.3% difference in odometer travel).

HOW'S THE ACCELERATION/POWER?

This one seems quite noticeable to me, although it's likely the heavier tires rather than larger diameter tires.

Stop and go traffic is worse than before. This is probably only true for manual transmissions. Before, you could pretty much only use the clutch to start and not even bother giving it any gas, since 1st gear was geared so low. Now, I actually have to drive it like a normal manual car and give it a bit of gas as I let out the clutch. Feels more similar to my sports car I used to have. It's no longer a super easy-to-drive manual! Now I don't mind about it being more difficult since it's still easy for me (been driving manual long enough that this doesn't mean anything), but if I had to sit in stop-and-go daily I would NOT enjoy this. However, after feedback from others, it seems this is likely the weight of the tires rather than the larger diameter. The RPM difference should be so negligible (the tires are only 3.3% bigger in terms of circumference) that any acceleration difference I'm feeling is probably instead coming from the 32.5% increase in tire weight.

Acceleration and power definitely feels weaker than before. The heavier tires are probably the 99% influencer here. I definitely have to downshift where I used to be able to stay at the same RPM and accelerate previously.

IS IT WORTH IT?

2021 Update: I think so! MPG was only very minimally impacted, the bigger tires look better, the light truck tires seem to have held up against flats, and the extra clearance has been handy for deep snow!

2017 Original: Idk yet! I'll see how the MPG's do. Hopefully I don't get flats either with the LT tires. And hopefully off roading will benefit from that 1/2" of higher clearance. It definitely looks better, but that's never been crazy important to me.
 
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awesome writeup and pics, thanks!

i am in the process of upgrading to 265/75 s myself, ordered some geolandars but was unimpressed by the look (stupid i know, but if i'm spending $600 on tires i want to be happy with how they look). now i'm looking at kumho kl 78s
 
Interesting results. My experience with 315/70R17 KO2 isn't half as dramatic.
With my manual- in stop and go traffic- I can still let the clutch out without giving it any gas, no problem at all.
As far as RPMs go, you definitely didn't go from 3,500 at 70mph to 2,800 at 70mph. Your new tires are 3.3% bigger, which would be 3,384.5 RPM instead of 3,500 at 70. I know it isn't really that high, but I'm just going off your random number you threw out. Your point was that your RPM will be lower, and I get that. I'm just saying, the difference is about negligible. Also- unless you have a speedo recalibration module- you won't see any difference in your RPM vs MPH on your cluster. Both readings will stay the same no matter what tire size you put on. Your ACTUAL speed will change, but not the gauge reading.
With the auto in my '97, I went from stock, to 285/75R16 KM2, to 315/70R17 KO2, and back to stock 265/70R16 Cooper highway tires. I honestly didn't feel like it was any more "peppy" when I took the 315s off and put the 265/70s back on. In fact, my calculated mileage hardly even changed. I calculated over 10 tanks with the 265s, and it was only .5-1mpg better than when I had the 315s on.
Thanks for the review, and I hope you don't regret going to the bigger tire! It looks good on your rig [emoji1360]
 
Nice! It looks much better with the new tires. I was considering going up to 265/75/16 and now I'm sold on the idea.

I agree with Tyler James -- I can't imagine the 3% increase in radius causing a noticeable difference. If there's truly any loss in power/MPG it's from the added inertia of the heavier tires.
 
They look great. I'm surprised that you noticed a power difference by upgrading. I witched to 265/70/17 from the stock 265/70/16 and put on a set of OEM takeoffs from a newer 4Runner. Both P-rated tires with highway tread, wheels of similar weight. Only difference was the size (265/70/17 are the same outer diameter size as the 265/75/16's you just put on). My calculated fuel economy actually went up, no noticeable difference in power or throttle response. This makes me think the LT tires are what made a difference, with their added weight.

PS- Toyota ships nearly all their vehicles with speedometers that slightly over-estimate the actual speed with stock tires. Since the upgrade, my speedo is just about dead on. But mine is an auto, so your manual may be wired a little differently.
 
PS- Toyota ships nearly all their vehicles with speedometers that slightly over-estimate the actual speed with stock tires. Since the upgrade, my speedo is just about dead on. But mine is an auto, so your manual may be wired a little differently.

Manual transmission here and I observed the same- more accurate AFTER the swap.
 
As far as RPMs go, you definitely didn't go from 3,500 at 70mph to 2,800 at 70mph. Your new tires are 3.3% bigger, which would be 3,384.5 RPM instead of 3,500 at 70. I know it isn't really that high, but I'm just going off your random number you threw out. Your point was that your RPM will be lower, and I get that. I'm just saying, the difference is about negligible. Also- unless you have a speedo recalibration module- you won't see any difference in your RPM vs MPH on your cluster. Both readings will stay the same no matter what tire size you put on. Your ACTUAL speed will change, but not the gauge reading.

Ah wow, you're totally right. The RPM-to-MPH comparison using my dash instruments is going to be exactly identical unless I actually calibrate the speedo. Looks like I'm just an idiot who fell under the placebo effect! :D I swear the heavier tires must be making it feel dramatically different. Anyways I'll make those corrections. Reading all these comments is great!

Yeah after I revised my post and calculated the 32.5% increase in tire weight... that probably is what's making things feel slow :P


My calculated fuel economy actually went up, no noticeable difference in power or throttle response. This makes me think the LT tires are what made a difference, with their added weight.

Ah interesting, good to see a comparison with increased diameter but not increased weight. Yeah I definitely know the added weight will slow down the overall acceleration, but it sounds like the added weight is also what's potentially making the stop-and-go traffic worse rather than the larger diameter. The clutch certainly feels like it needs more gas to get it moving from a stop now than it did before. The wheel weight would definitely impact that, but I feel like the crawl speed is noticeably higher now too. I've definitely used 1st gear more often than before, usually I would only use 1st from a dead stop. It could certainly all be placebo.
 
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PS- Toyota ships nearly all their vehicles with speedometers that slightly over-estimate the actual speed with stock tires. Since the upgrade, my speedo is just about dead on. But mine is an auto, so your manual may be wired a little differently.

I dunno about my T4R, but I can confirm this same observation when I slightly upsized the tires on my Matrix. Speedo seems more accurate now when comparing with my GPS reading.
 
You should have upgraded the wheels to fit the Tundra brakes. A heavier tire = less stopping power. I went from 265/70/16 to 275/70/16 & noticed no difference & I have a 4cyl manual.
 
PS- Toyota ships nearly all their vehicles with speedometers that slightly over-estimate the actual speed with stock tires. Since the upgrade, my speedo is just about dead on. But mine is an auto, so your manual may be wired a little differently.

My speedo is about 2-mph off after I put the 3rd Gen TRD Sport Tacoma 265/65/17 set on. This was using one of the police speed trailers. The speedo showed 30-mph compared to the speed trailer displaying 28-mph.
[MENTION=95431]andrewbares[/MENTION]- BFGs always look mean on our 3rd Gens. I like it!
 
My speedo is about 2-mph off after I put the 3rd Gen TRD Sport Tacoma 265/65/17 set on. This was using one of the police speed trailers. The speedo showed 30-mph compared to the speed trailer displaying 28-mph.

That's because 265/65/17 is basically the same size as our stock 265/70/16. So your speedometer shouldn't have changed much.

I wonder if Toyota did this to inflate their reputation of longevity and also sevice profits. Speedometers a couple percent faster equals a couple percent more visits to the dealer for service. In reality it is probably to give people with a lead foot a little cushion to avoid speeding tickets
 

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