Poor mileage on 4G, would you participate in a suit?

Would you participate in a suit vs toyota?


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all kidding aside,
I was getting 15.5-15mph on my v8 with stock tires and no lift, my friend has the same year and he avg 18mph so I asked him what he was doing and he drives MUCH more mild then i do so I tried driving mild and my gas mileage went up to 18mpg then i lifted it and put bigger tires on and it went down to 15.5-16.5mpg but I have a hard time driving really mild (just me) now I get 14.7-15.5mpg. I still get over 300miles on 3/4 tank or so.
I am in Colorado I don't know how much the higher altitude makes a difference though
 
To the OP....What you're looking for is a Class-Action suit. Which you'll NEVER win. Just from this sample group MOST are getting near or very close to near what is the published mpg for this vehicle. If you can find THOUSANDS of people then you MIGHT have a legitimate suit. During the summer I'm actually getting a little higher then the published mpg.

The EPA numbers are ESTIMATES. And should only be used in comparison. NOT as a hard fast number that ALL vehicles will meet. There are just too many environmental factors that influence gas mileage. The biggest factor is how you drive. Do you do jack-rabbit starts???? Drive over the speed limit??? Do a lot of city driving??? All those are just SOME of the factors that will influence gas mileage. Even living near an Ocean can have an adverse effect on gas mileage.

Well said. I was going to say the same thing. If Toyota's estimates are that far off, there would be a lot of 4runner owners complaining, not just from the OP, so it has to be something wrong with the OP's vehicle.
 
I am in Colorado I don't know how much the higher altitude makes a difference though


Altitude is a bit of a biggie and probably costs us an MPG with the exact same driving at sea level since with the power loss we have up here our engines have to work harder to pull the truck around.

Somebody said something about switching drivers with the exact same vehicles so a couple years back my mom and I switched trucks (she drives a '99 Limited bone stock) and she gets around 18-19 in the city while I average 17 on a good day. Well after a week I get her Limited down to just under 17 in town with my slightly agressive driving style and my mom got mine up to just over 18mpg for her cycle from my truck with slightly larger tires and I rarely ever see over 17 even in the summer. The driving was a mix but mostly in town driving.

And we have to deal with our mile high altitude also.
 
Altitude is a bit of a biggie and probably costs us an MPG with the exact same driving at sea level since with the power loss we have up here our engines have to work harder to pull the truck around.

Somebody said something about switching drivers with the exact same vehicles so a couple years back my mom and I switched trucks (she drives a '99 Limited bone stock) and she gets around 18-19 in the city while I average 17 on a good day. Well after a week I get her Limited down to just under 17 in town with my slightly agressive driving style and my mom got mine up to just over 18mpg for her cycle from my truck with slightly larger tires and I rarely ever see over 17 even in the summer. The driving was a mix but mostly in town driving.

And we have to deal with our mile high altitude also.

20/20 magazine show did that...They supplied two identical cars to two different people. Before they supplied them the cars they verified that they both were getting the same gas mileage. Driver A was a very aggressive driver who would constantly driver well over the speed limit and would start off very fast from a stop (light or sign). Driver B was very conservative. Rarely went over the speed limit....No jack rabbit starts. They both had the same route to and from work.

After a month of testing...Driver B averaged 30% BETTER gas mileage then Driver A.

Driving Style is going to be the BIGGEST factor in gas mileage.
 
I get an average of 17-18 in the city and 19-21 on highway with my 2006 V6. Slightly lifted with Bilstein 5100. 265/70 tires.

Now if I have some fun and have a bit of a lead foot, it drops down in the 15-16 range in the city.. Stop and go traffic kills mpg.
 
It's people like you who complain about gas mileage that made Toyota get rid of the V8 in the 5th generation I bet...

How about consumer choice, if you don't like the milege, sell it a get a prius
 
In what activities will I be participating in with Toyota while wearing my suit?

Remember gents while wearing a single breasted jacket only button the top button while standing. Also opt for a suit without pleated fronts on the pants. Pleats were created to make plump gentlemen appear thinner but does quite the opposite.

I'm not a fan of pleats either.
 
To the OP....What you're looking for is a Class-Action suit. Which you'll NEVER win. Just from this sample group MOST are getting near or very close to near what is the published mpg for this vehicle. If you can find THOUSANDS of people then you MIGHT have a legitimate suit. During the summer I'm actually getting a little higher then the published mpg.

The EPA numbers are ESTIMATES. And should only be used in comparison. NOT as a hard fast number that ALL vehicles will meet. There are just too many environmental factors that influence gas mileage. The biggest factor is how you drive. Do you do jack-rabbit starts???? No Drive over the speed limit??? 65 Max Do a lot of city driving??? 50/50 mix All those are just SOME of the factors that will influence gas mileage. Even living near an Ocean can have an adverse effect on gas mileage.

Like I've mentioned in previous posts I drive like I"m driving ms daisy, I don't rush to a stop sign/light only to mash on the brakes, no those days are long gone.

I know what a class action suit is and the chances of winning might be slim but at least they'll get someone's attention and then maybe toyota will have a fix for the problem even if there's no check engine light.

Once again I reiterate that all driving conditions have been the same since I bought the truck when new in 2007, except maybe the implementation of ethanol into our gas but i can't imagine that having such a big affect, oh and let's not forget my monster truck tires!

I can't see this lawsuit going anywhere regarding the MPGs on an SUV where a hybrid might be a more plausible case but the biggest issues with trying to start a suit would be finding a substantial number of STOCK (modded in any way would be thrown out) 4th gen owners willing to participate (time money and energy has to be worth it) and with SUVs in general and MPGs there will be too many variable to consider causing many different MPG changes and the documentation would simply have to be spot on and I can't see that being consistent with as many 4th gen owners you'd need for this suit.


With my 13 year old 3rd gen I get 17 in the city with my bit of a leadfoot in the summer but with winter gas and using 4wd time to time causes my mileage to take a dip down to 14-15 city.

My suggestion in seriousness if $$ is a concern then drop the suit,sell the 4Runner and buy something to match your expectations for MPGs.

Ron, I know SUVs aren't made for MPGs but when they suddenly drop after a few years of ownership it makes you wonder, wouldn't you? If I bought a corolla that's supposed to get 30MPG and only gets 20 would that be a stronger suit? Why would it, only because it's a 1.8 liter sedan ? The point is it's not living up to its claim, there's no CEL on to show that anything is wrong when clearly there is. Why am I so sure something's wrong? B/C your 13 Y.o. 3rd gen gets better mileage than my 4G ! It's not an apples to apples comparison (4g to 4g) but you get the point, an older generation vehicle gets better MPGs than a newer one.
In all seriousness $$ may or may not be a concern, maybe one can afford to keep driving it like this and maybe one can't but does that mean one should deal with it just because s/he can afford to? With our economy being on the rocks right now with a 10% unemployment rate and home values plummeting, shouldn't we be concerned that a vehicle we use everyday doesn't perform and is burning up dollars?

No one hates you here or the fact that you even posted this. The problem is that you keep asking the same question ad nauseum with no solutions or answers, even at times you've told people they were wrong for giving you advice. And now you wanna sue Toyota over this. I think our mileage is spot on for the type of vehicle you drive, as do many other members.

I'm not saying anyone hates me (nor do I care if you do), merely be mature in your posts and replies. Is one supposed to stop asking questions if s/he doesn't get the right answer? Was Rome built in a day? Advice from all is appreciated, thank you. Are you saying if 95% of vehicles perform as they are supposed to that means the owners over the other 5% are just supposed to deal with it right? Not sure if you're old enough to remember the Ford Exploders but that only affected a small percentage of owners, let them burn?

I think his mpg is unreasonable low. If that's the case and you want another 4runner trade it in and get another one without problems. Time is money and money is time.

I've thought about this but no guarantees on buying a 2nd hand vehicle, no idea if it also has the same problems or even more problems.

Lemme get this right. You got over 400 miles/tank for 3 years, and you wanna sue Toyota now since your mileage has gone down??? Good luck finding a lawyer to take your case.

For the record, I'm very happy with the mileage I get in my V-8

Not saying I wanna find a lawyer, just exploring the possibilities. I'm sure you're happy with the mileage on your V8, probably better than what I get!

I usually get between 17 and 19mpg out of my V6, which is what I expected when I bought it.

If I got those #s I'd be thrilled and wouldn't be having this silly discussion.

420 + seems pretty High. My dads Brand new 2011 4runner gets like 340 miles on a full tank. My 05 gets like 335 on a full tank but it does have 105k miles and lift tires.

At first I was having doubts that I ever got this range but if you do the numbers, 23 gallon tank multiply that with 18.5 MPG AVG you get 425. Don't believe me?
Check out 2007 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4dr SUV 4.0L V6 5-speed Automatic Features and Specs , it says " Range in miles (cty/hwy): 368.0/483.0 mi. " I get less than the City Range (if i drove all city)

wtf? Your joking right op? If not how are your driving habits?

No joke GTR, Driving habits are mild at most. I remind myself I'm driving an SUV, not a WRX.

It's people like you who complain about gas mileage that made Toyota get rid of the V8 in the 5th generation I bet...

How about consumer choice, if you don't like the milege, sell it a get a prius

Maybe If I get a 5th gen & complain they'll come out with a 4 banger for the next gen? I'm all about consumer choice, that's why I'm trying to get some attn to this so maybe Toyota will do a recall or at least admit there's a problem somewhere.

I'm not a fan of pleats either.

Definitely flat front, no cuffs on the legs either.
 
What don't you get? There is no problem anywhere that is as widespread as you're making it out to be.

Go to a dealer that knows their ****.
 
My 2nd gen gets 11 city, 13 highway. New sparks/wires/distributor/fluids/filters yada yada yada nothing helps...

This is the way I look at it: Everyone says we are consuming oil faster than it is being produced, so in theory eventually all the oil and gas will be burned up, so enjoy it now while its plentiful and relatively cheap.

:)

If you've seen one of the worst movies of all time you'll know what I mean. (Waterworld)

:D
 
I find it strange that you're getting worse mileage now that the vehicle is "broken in." Most of the time when I see mileage complaints it relates to new cars that haven't been broken in. I think a common idea is that 10,000 miles is "broken in." This, however, seems backwards to me. I would expect you to get better mileage after 3 years, not worse, despite your monster tires.
I don't know why you're experiencing a drop in mpg, especially if you don't drive it hard.
What size wheels are you running? stock 17s?
Is there additional weight? cargo, bull bar, etc?
Where do you live? high altitude?
Do you sit in a lot of traffic? highway or city driving?
Do you off-raod?
Has a mechanic looked over the car to see if anything is out of whack?

I have to ay that I think you're idea of a law suit is a bit silly though. I bought the 4Runner for what it can do. And getting great mpg was not on that list...
 
Definitely flat front, no cuffs on the legs either.

I like your style.

As suggested, a competent and willing mechanic might be able to find something causing your low mpg numbers. Because you used to get good mileage, it seems like degraded performance is due to a worn or failing component. This is pretty typical of all vehicles, performance decreases over time due to use and degradation of materials. Off the top of my head, it could be:
  • spark plugs
  • air filter
  • throttle body
  • maf
  • calipers
  • alignment
  • axle shafts
  • wheel bearing
  • diffs/fluid
  • engine oil
  • various sensors
Hell, you could even have something wrong with your ecu causing all of this. My point here is that it could be anything causing low mpgs. While 4Runners have a reputation for reliability, they are machines after all. The titanic was unsinkable, and we all know how that turned out. Kind of a far-reaching analogy but hopefully you pick up what I'm laying down.
 
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Ronsta, I know your pain.
I have a stock 2006 4.7L V8 SE. Its getting 12.2 MPG avg. Ive grown to accept my SUV and its lack of ECO/GREEN ways.




By stock in mean, I have a "few mods".
 
my v6 gets 19 driving around town, and momo.75 can vouch for me in saying that Birmingham is second only to San Francisco in the amount of hills/mountains we have to navigate in our suburbs. Maybe you've just got a dud or need to check up on maintenance, no biggy, good luck with it!
 
Like I've mentioned in previous posts I drive like I"m driving ms daisy, I don't rush to a stop sign/light only to mash on the brakes, no those days are long gone.

I know what a class action suit is and the chances of winning might be slim but at least they'll get someone's attention and then maybe toyota will have a fix for the problem even if there's no check engine light.

Once again I reiterate that all driving conditions have been the same since I bought the truck when new in 2007, except maybe the implementation of ethanol into our gas but i can't imagine that having such a big affect, oh and let's not forget my monster truck tires!



Ron, I know SUVs aren't made for MPGs but when they suddenly drop after a few years of ownership it makes you wonder, wouldn't you? If I bought a corolla that's supposed to get 30MPG and only gets 20 would that be a stronger suit? Why would it, only because it's a 1.8 liter sedan ? The point is it's not living up to its claim, there's no CEL on to show that anything is wrong when clearly there is. Why am I so sure something's wrong? B/C your 13 Y.o. 3rd gen gets better mileage than my 4G ! It's not an apples to apples comparison (4g to 4g) but you get the point, an older generation vehicle gets better MPGs than a newer one.
In all seriousness $$ may or may not be a concern, maybe one can afford to keep driving it like this and maybe one can't but does that mean one should deal with it just because s/he can afford to? With our economy being on the rocks right now with a 10% unemployment rate and home values plummeting, shouldn't we be concerned that a vehicle we use everyday doesn't perform and is burning up dollars?



I'm not saying anyone hates me (nor do I care if you do), merely be mature in your posts and replies. Is one supposed to stop asking questions if s/he doesn't get the right answer? Was Rome built in a day? Advice from all is appreciated, thank you. Are you saying if 95% of vehicles perform as they are supposed to that means the owners over the other 5% are just supposed to deal with it right? Not sure if you're old enough to remember the Ford Exploders but that only affected a small percentage of owners, let them burn?



I've thought about this but no guarantees on buying a 2nd hand vehicle, no idea if it also has the same problems or even more problems.



Not saying I wanna find a lawyer, just exploring the possibilities. I'm sure you're happy with the mileage on your V8, probably better than what I get!



If I got those #s I'd be thrilled and wouldn't be having this silly discussion.



At first I was having doubts that I ever got this range but if you do the numbers, 23 gallon tank multiply that with 18.5 MPG AVG you get 425. Don't believe me?
Check out 2007 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4dr SUV 4.0L V6 5-speed Automatic Features and Specs , it says " Range in miles (cty/hwy): 368.0/483.0 mi. " I get less than the City Range (if i drove all city)



No joke GTR, Driving habits are mild at most. I remind myself I'm driving an SUV, not a WRX.



Maybe If I get a 5th gen & complain they'll come out with a 4 banger for the next gen? I'm all about consumer choice, that's why I'm trying to get some attn to this so maybe Toyota will do a recall or at least admit there's a problem somewhere.



Definitely flat front, no cuffs on the legs either.

All valid points my friend. Sorry I came off like an ass.

Good luck in whatever you decide to do and I hope it works out in your favor. Just remember.....

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Zach

Ps: nice choice on the pants
 
Another forum member was having problems with his V6 mileage. I remember this response to the thread: Gist: check O2 sensors. OP, you participated in that thread, did you have them checked? Sounds as though mileage means a lot to you. So then:

Guaranteed to improve mileage:
1) Change driving style
2) Go back to OEM tires
3) Stop with ridiculous idea of a CAL (won't improve mileage, but will improve your level of stress)
4) If above doesn't work, visit Toyota and pick up a nice RAV4

If your mileage improves, let the rest of us know. Good Luck.

Ed
 
Your v8 gets better MPGs than my v6! I know something ain't right, the truck is well taken care of!

I also personally know 2 others who own a 4th Gen V6:

1. John bought it brand new and admits the MPGs aren't what they used to be
2. Phil, a mechanic I know, (yes you read that right) bought his used a few months ago, doesn't know any better swears there's nothing wrong with his truck even though his range comp shows 220 miles to empty at 3/4 tank of gas !

Bergs, I thank you and others like you for a sincere reply & not a hate filled diatribe bashing myself and others like myself for not buying a bicycle.
.../snip/
No thanks needed. You shoulda bought a bicycle or even a flying carpet.

:flipoff:



;):



I noticed others on the forum are a bit frustrated with the couple or 3 threads you've put up (I've seen only 2, this and the other one I posted in) but the lawsuit talk is bordering "nutty" if you don't mind me saying. I do find your situation rather perplexing and interesting at the same time because there is a reason for what you are experiencing and based on your level of insistence, it does not sound like it is related to your driving style.

I don't recall reading about it but have you performed compression and/ or leak down tests? Perhaps there is slight carbon build up on a valve which is causing some compression issues which can lead to efficiency problems, or worse, there is internal damage to cylinder walls (for example).

Beyond the mechanical checks of the chassis, have you explored the possibility of intake sealing issues? Admittedly I am still familiarizing myself with my own 4Runner so I'm not sure if there's anything after MAF but a simple test for finding an intake leak would be to warm the engine up, grab a can of ether and *lightly* hit all areas where pieces of the intake are coupled together as well as any composite items that are built in halves and listen for engine speed to surge.

I'm not sure if the intake plenum on yours is a composite material but I have seen issues with the halves separating ever-so-slightly on other vehicles I've worked on......my aforementioned Ranger being one of them.
 
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Rolling resistance and driving style

I am an OEM guy, but here are things I've noticed that impact mileage-

Tire brand- I just switched to Continental Cross Contacts, and suffered a 3mpg loss. I was previously getting the EPA mileage.

Tire pressure- I know that tires can handle additional pressure, so I run about 40psi in mine. mpg still sucks.

Driving style- Sometimes, I just gotta be the first guy off the light. But mostly, I'm a light-footed driver.

The point- If mileage was one of my considerations at the time of purchase, I'd be rolling a Prius. I own a motorcycle that I use as my commuter, and my 4Runner serves as a backup, a grocery getter, and as my weekend kayak hauler.

I agree it can be painful at fuel stops though. :wow:
 
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