Power Antenna Motor?

Jerold

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My wife just called me saying that the motor is making a noise when the antenna goes up. I haven't heard it, so I don't know if it's a grating noise or if it sounds like the motor is struggling as the antenna rises.

I've searched and a lot of the threads relate to the Antenna Mast. I've searched for replacement motors at parts sites, but haven't found any. If it is the motor, anyone know how much they go for? I've got a 2002 4Runner Sport.

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Jerold
 
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The old site that listed this mod is down but here's the text portion of the install of the Taco antenna;sorry no pics.


The "Tacoma" Whip Antenna Mod
By: Bob_98SR5
Date: 12-19-2002


Tools Needed
Flat-bladed Screwdriver
Philips-head Screwdriver
10mm rachet wrench

Parts
Antenna Assembly: 86300-35090 (list price $36.94)
Tacoma Whip antenna: 86309-AA040 ($27.38 at my dealership)



Please note that the Tacoma Whip Antenna is not picture above. If you want the Tacoma black whip antenna, buy part no. 86309-AA0400 and NOT 86309-35100 or 86309-32011. Also, I've received some feedback that the part numbers may have changed. If so, just ask for the non-motorized antenna assembly for a 4runner and a black whip antenna for the Tacoma.

Thanks to UKMyers from Yotatech.com who provided the following part number in this thread for 2nd generation 4Runners: Toyota Part # 86300-35070 (2nd gen 4Runners)

Addendum: 5/13/06
Based on the information in this writeup, a Yotatech member figured out how to do this mod without removing the wheel well liner. Read here.

Disclaimer
I am providing this write up for illustrative purposes only. Perform at your own risk. Any mods (including this one) you perform on your vehicle is your responsibility. Commercial use of this write up will result in legal action as well as the undying scorn from members of the online Toyota 4Runner community. You've been warned.


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Summary
One of the most common problems with any vehicle including the 4runner is its power antenna. Over time, the antenna mast's "teeth" usually breaks because the "teeth" themselves (that is part of the mast itself) wear out. In other cases, the mast is simply bends or breaks which will not allow it to retract back into the motor unit.

One solution is to buy a replacement mast, remove the old one, and hope that the new one feeds itself perfectly into the motor unit. However, many times the mast "teeth" breaks inside the motor unit itself, requiring removal and opening of the motor unit in order to remove these pieces of teeth.

An alternative solution is replacing the motorized unit with a non-motorized antenna assembly with a non-motorized (obviously) mast antenna. The advantage of doing so is that you really don't have to worry about anything motorized breaking ever again. Furthermore, the whip antenna is tough---I've hit many low hanging tree branches and the antenna just twangs itself right back into place. A motorized mast, I'm sure, would have snapped in half.

Step 1: Removing the Fender Flare and Running Board End Cap (front)
Depending on your type of fender flare trim and running boards, remove these pieces in order to access the wheel well lining:



After removing these trim pieces, you need to remove 2 of the 3 wheel well lining plugs. Here is a diagram of what you need to remove as well as a close up of one plug removed:



Step 2: Remove Wheel Well Lining
After removing the wheel well plugs, pull and invert the wheel well lining so you have enough room to access the motor unit. Don't worry, the material will not crack or break. The material is very similar to a kiddie pool, only much thicker and more durable:



Step 3: Removing the Antenna and Bezel Nut
At the top of the mast, unscrew the bezel nut by wrapping your flat bladed screwdriver with masking tape and putting the side of the blade into the bezel notches. Turn counter-clockwise to remove.



Unless you run like Speedy Gonzales, you might call your friend to help you here. To remove the broken mast, turn off your stereo and let the mast retract as far as it can go. Then ask your friend to turn the stereo back on. While it is going up, pull it up until it comes out of the unit. You will see the metal antenna and a long, white strip of "teeth." Some people have tried with some success to just pull it out, but my dealership advised me to pull it out this way.


Step 4: Removing the Motorized Unit
Unplug the power wire that is connected to the motor unit. Then unbolt the single bolt holding the motorized unit to the bracket inside the wheel well. Unfortunately I didn't take a picture of the motorized unit prior to removal, but here a blurry picture of the non-motorized one after installation (the bolt is the same):



You can now partially detach your motorized unit. You will see that there is a wire leading into the body of the 4runner. This is the antenna wire that connects to the back of your stereo. If you intend to possibly re-use the motor again, do not cut this wire (like I did). To remove it, continue reading below.

Step 5: Removing the Passenger Side Bottom Panel and Front "Radio" Panel
The antenna wire starts from the motor unit itself into the 4runner passenger compartment area, above the A/C duct, and into the back of the stereo. Here is the path it takes to get there:



You must remove both the passenger side bottom panel and front center "Radio" panel to properly remove the antenna wire. To remove the passenger side bottom panel, unscrew the following screws to remove the glove box and bottom panel:



To remove the rest of the radio panel, follow this excellent write up that SLC_Punk wrote, which is contained in Yotatech's "Tech" section. Go as far as "Step 5" in Travis' write up and continue below.

Step 6: Removing the Antenna Cable
Pull out the stereo as far as you can and detach the power and antenna cables. I believe the cable marked "2" (the furry one) is the antenna wire. Pull this one out and leave "1" as is. From my recollection, the "1" cable is the power cable.



After unplugging the antenna cable, follow the path of the antenna cable to the right and cut the zip ties in the four places marked here:



After you've done that, go back to the outside of your 4runner and then you can pull out the antenna cable.

Step 7: Attaching the Non-motorized Tacoma Whip Antenna
You can now bolt on the non-motorized unit. Then thread the antenna cable through the hole, run the cable all the way to the stereo, zip tie it along the top of the A/C duct, and then plug it into the back of your stereo:



Attach the bezel nut at the top of the non-motorized unit and screw in your Taco whip antenna.

I would suggest at this point to test the antenna connection before attaching all the panels you removed in Step 4. If the test goes well, re-attach all the panels in reverse order and enjoy hassle-free radio listening pleasure!


LEARNING POINTS
If you take your 4runner to a car wash (gasp!), I would highly recommend you carry a small adjustable wrench in your glove box to remove the antenna. Some car washes may not have the wrench or do this for you. Now I did say the whip was tough, but those large, heavy, wet blanket car wash strips would probably rip the antenna off in a second.
 
The noise MIGHT not be the motor. A lot of people generally have problems with the antenna mast. The white plastic that pushes/pulls the antenna up/down tends to break. I've gone through two of these already on my '96 and am highly considering the taco whip mod so I don't keep dropping ~$50 just to listen to the radio. I didn't search the motor for broken pieces (old one seemed intact) and just installed the second one. The 2nd one probably broke b/c I didn't get all of the broken plastic out before installing the new one.
 
I wish Toyota would've made a better gear set. Mine is also broken (at 89k miles). I will not be putting any more money into the motorized unit. Then again, like Mr. Dabadina, I don't want to waste $50+ to just listen to the radio. I'm thinking of going for one or both of these choices:

1) Cough up the $50+ for a non-motorized unit or get one from a junk yard.

2) Sirius

I'm leaning towards #2.
 
Mr. Dabadina said:
The noise MIGHT not be the motor. A lot of people generally have problems with the antenna mast.
I agree. In my 4Runner, the motor would work and the mast would only go up a little. The motor moves a white plastic cord with bumps. The teeth on the white cord wear out. I bought a new mast for $48 at the dealer.

It might very well be the motor, but it sounds like the antenna is wearing out.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25072&highlight=antenna
 

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peter78 said:
I agree. In my 4Runner, the motor would work and the mast would only go up a little. The motor moves a white plastic cord with bumps. The teeth on the white cord wear out. I bought a new mast for $48 at the dealer.

It might very well be the motor, but it sounds like the antenna is wearing out.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25072&highlight=antenna

Eek! screwdriver on the paint!!! haha.

somehow I managed to fix our old 96's antenna when I was 11 years old, do not ask me how, because I had no idea I could perform anything like that; the only thing I was good at was washing it. I'm hoping my antenna doesn't decide to crap out on me, because I think I used my one free lucky repair up. God, I do love that 4runners were given an automatic antenna
 
It's probably the mast, not the motor. They crap out quite often on our 4Runners. My mast was replaced before I bought the truck.

I have an 80gig I-Pod integrated into my factory headunit so my mast doesn't go up and down very often lol:biggrin2:
 
Thanks for all the replies! sad thing is that we bought the 100K extended warranty when the factory warranty was running out and we used the 4R a lot early on. We hit 100K just last week and today my wife hears the antenna noise.

I'm gonna see if a family friend can take a look to tell me if it is just the mast. Luckily he used to work at Toyota as a mechanic.

Trying to avoid the dealer repair as they will charge $90 labor.
 
KellyJ said:
Eek! screwdriver on the paint!!! haha.
Yeah, probably not a good idea. I use the screwdriver for hundreds of jobs and one of them is for screwing in screws. I am sure there is a better tool for the job.

By the way, the 4Runner is not the only Toyota with this antenna. The parts manager said the Camry uses it and it gets replaced a lot. Enough so, that he had the part under the front counter.
 
peter78 said:
Yeah, probably not a good idea. I use the screwdriver for hundreds of jobs and one of them is for screwing in screws. I am sure there is a better tool for the job.

By the way, the 4Runner is not the only Toyota with this antenna. The parts manager said the Camry uses it and it gets replaced a lot. Enough so, that he had the part under the front counter.

I guess I am just used to babying my pain,t as it has just started seeing nights outside as opposed to in the garage, I can barely put a cup from 7-11 on the top of it without cringing. And yes, the power antennas have been featured in multiple Toyota/Lexus vehicles, even my '91 ES250, aka glorified Camry, had one. I miss that bad boy
 
I guess I should be happy I got 60K on my 2001 before it ate the mast. The mast replacement is fairly simple. The only thing I remember was that the flap you have to open to get to the unit is held by some one time push "screws". When you buy the mast pick up 4-5 of the replacement screws and save yourself a trip back.
 
temp fix grinding noise?

I can't get mine fixed or fix it myself for a few weeks...is there a way to unplug the power to the mast motor without removing any fender or body parts...can't seem to locate the fuse for that motor or the connection to any power terminal.
any ideas? Thanx in advance for any answers !
 
Mine lasted 136k and over 9 years but this last ice storm we had messed up the mast but it is moslty down and I still get good radio reception when I do use it so i'm in no hurry for a fix.
 
Mine crapped at 80K. Then my sister took it through the automatic car wash without lowering the antenna and it broke off. Toyota dealer was going to charge just under $200 to fix it. I got SO angry that I had just had the guy remove the wire when I had my new stereo installed.

I refuse to mess with it anymore. I still get a good signal except no AM. I am getting satellite soon anyway.
 
RonMAIDEN said:
Mine lasted 136k and over 9 years but this last ice storm we had messed up the mast but it is moslty down and I still get good radio reception when I do use it so i'm in no hurry for a fix.

kat said:
I refuse to mess with it anymore. I still get a good signal except no AM. I am getting satellite soon anyway.
We do have a secondary antenna on the passenger side rear window. A lot of people think it is a window defroster, but it is another antenna. The car uses the strongest signal for reception. Which I guess is a good thing with all the power atnenna's breaking down.
 
Finally got around to calling my Toyota dealership - $300 for the motor alone - Yikes! and they charge $98/hr labor.

I asked if it is the motor or the mast and the guy said is was more likely the motor and that the clutch on the motor went since the antenna still goes up and the grinding noise happens after the antenna is fully extended. They wouldn't know for sure until they actually took a look at it.

I was changing out a CD on day and the darn radio keeps turning on when the CD pops out. i didn't turn the radio dial off in time and the antenna fully extended before I hit the button to OFF. The antenna wouldn't go down by itself - just made the noise (I guess like the teeth weren't catching). I had to get out and start the antenna down to get it to retract.

No offense to any Toyota service reps on this board, but I somehow never believe that they "always" looking out for the best for the customer. I could bring my 4R in and the only thing wrong is the mast and they change out the motor as well just to make the money on the deal. How would I know if the clutch is busted on the motor or not...I usually ask for the part back that they change, but what would I know about it. I think I'll spend the $40 for a mast and take my chances replacing it myself before I go into the dealership.

My folks have a friend who works over at an Acura dealership in the finance dept. and I asked him if the service reps work on commission of any type and he said that they do! Along with setting up appts and the typical customer stuff, one of their primary tasks is to get the customer to spend more per visit. I kinda understand that they need to sell, but I've asked several Service Reps if they work on commission of any type and they flatly deny it. I would rather they admit it and that it is really IMO up to the customer to either say NO or look into their suggestion before they drop hundreds more than they were in there for.

I learned my lesson when I took my old camry in for a "free" oil change from a toys for tots promotion and I ended up walking out with a receipt for over $400. The Rep that I was dealing with on a regular basis had left the dealership and we dealt with this new guy who turned out to be a fast talker....gold plated spark plugs on an 8 year old Camry???...!!! If I had a rape whistle, I would've tooted it, but I could've/should've said NO.
The next time we came in, the "new guy" wasn't around, so we had another guy and asked him where the "new guy" was... He said that they guy was arrested for screwing with customers (suggesting unneeded repairs and customer complaints). As well as stealing a loaner car and drug possession.
 
Peter,

What is the brand of your secondary antenna, does it work well? I am considering another antenna because I believe the motor for my antenna is not working, not just the mast assembly. Rather than replace the motor, I thought it might be easier to get another type of antenna which might be easier and cheaper to install.
 
atlcharm77 said:
Peter,

What is the brand of your secondary antenna, does it work well? I am considering another antenna because I believe the motor for my antenna is not working, not just the mast assembly. Rather than replace the motor, I thought it might be easier to get another type of antenna which might be easier and cheaper to install.
The secondary antenna is built into the glass on the passenger rear side window, done at the factory (3rd generation model). It is the side window that is for the trunk. If you look at the window you will see the lines. Some people think that is a side window defroster, but it is another antenna. I was responding to members that don't get the power antenna fixed and they say the radio still works, that is why. The secondary antenna is being used.

Some people put a whip antenna in instead of the getting another power antenna. Another option is, if your motor does not work, leave the antenna retracted and see if the secondary antenna does the job. I tend to listen to CD 90% of the time, so getting a good reception is not that important.

The way the two antennas work is the radio uses the strongest signal. Sometimes it is the main power antenna, sometimes it is the antenna built into the window. Which I think is a nice touch. Too bad our power antennas tend to crap out.
 
Is there anywhere online I can order the push screws/clips for the splash guard that has to be removed to get to the motor? Or can anyone give me part numbers or even a proper name for them so I know what to look for? Thanks.
 

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