pretty cool diesel 4runner. look at the price

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Guy really has a think for diesels doesn't he? Hell, I saw a pure stock 2000 Limited the other day they were asking 13k for. Only had 71k on the clock, but damn...
 
that right there would be my dream trail rig! 5spd, diesel, 35's.... just needs some more armour and LT and your set! wow I want that thing.
 
Depending on your state you migth not be able to register it for street use and any place that requires emissions won't pass it since it's not the original motor but there might be some ways around it.
 
I've seen that rig posted a couple of times on CL. Don't get me wrong, it would be really cool to have, but I think it's hard to differentiate THAT 3rd gen from all the other really nice rigs simply by the diesel in it. I LOVE diesels, but the 3.4L 3rd gen is a really great platform, and I just don't see spending the $$$ he's looking to get out of it just for the oil burner.

Also, typical 3/4-ton or 1-ton diesel pickup trucks average $3-5k more or so than their gas-powered counterparts in the used market, from what I've seen. I just can't see paying 2x's the used value of my Runner for one that has a diesel. I would have to buy LOTS of diesel to get 30 mpg long enough to offset the expense difference of buy-in.

Of course if $$$ were no issue, it would be ON! :D
 
I hate threads like this, really makes you stop appreciating what you already have and makes you want something you'll never get. lol
 
Problem is that motor doesnt get 30mpg, as i have collected numbers for many years of british members, and the canadian members who have these trucks, and the highest number i have heard is 25 US mpg highway, and that was for a stocker, this thing is lifted on larger tires, with alot of weight, i can't imagine its pulling more than 20-21mpg highway, which is exactly what i am doing, and i know some lifted 4Runners with ARB's 33's roof racks that get 18mpg, so this all together is a waste, besides the fact that you sh*t out of luck if you want to get it serviced.
 
JohnsD90 said:
Problem is that motor doesnt get 30mpg, as i have collected numbers for many years of british members, and the canadian members who have these trucks, and the highest number i have heard is 25 US mpg highway, and that was for a stocker, this thing is lifted on larger tires, with alot of weight, i can't imagine its pulling more than 20-21mpg highway, which is exactly what i am doing, and i know some lifted 4Runners with ARB's 33's roof racks that get 18mpg, so this all together is a waste, besides the fact that you sh*t out of luck if you want to get it serviced.
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See, this was my first instinct when looking at something like this, Not to mention the price he is asking.
 
When I was looking for 4 runners (before I purchased my 2000 this past week) I seriously considered this diesel 4 runner and talked with the owner several times. After talking with him and seeing the water cooled intercooler (dont like them for daily drivers my self) as well as a few other things I did the math and it wasnt worth it.

I figured up the mileage I drive per year and at current fuel prices (gas is roughly 60 cents cheaper than diesel currently) it would take almost 9 years for me to break even between the added fuel costs and the extra $8500 I would have paid for the diesel over what I was looking to pay and eventually paid for my 4 runner. Add into this I bought a loaded limited model vs his which is basicly pw and pl and consider how difficult it is to get the diesel related parts since it never came in the USA and its a no brainer.

I also have to say his claims of 28mpg are very hard to believe. There are several guys on the internet that state mpg for these vehicles and most claim around 20-22 avg. I get 19-20mpg hwy and 16-18mpg city in my 3.4L and again gas is roughly 60 cents cheaper per gallon here in Tx.

I have a small side buisness doing diesel conversions so I can easily swap a readily available isuzu diesel or cummins 3.3 or many other options into my 4 runner for much less than the $8500 difference.

I'm not bashing the guy he's just trying to get what he thinks the vehicle is worth and I can't fault him for that since it appears to be a nice truck but you almost never sell these kinda vehicles for what you have into them, hence why I do the conversions instead of selling whole vehicles.
 
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Carcrafter22 said:
When I was looking for 4 runners (before I purchased my 2000 this past week) I seriously considered this diesel 4 runner and talked with the owner several times. After talking with him and seeing the water cooled intercooler (dont like them for daily drivers my self) as well as a few other things I did the math and it wasnt worth it.

I figured up the mileage I drive per year and at current fuel prices (gas is roughly 60 cents cheaper than diesel currently) it would take almost 9 years for me to break even between the added fuel costs and the extra $8500 I would have paid for the diesel over what I was looking to pay and eventually paid for my 4 runner. Add into this I bought a loaded limited model vs his which is basicly pw and pl and consider how difficult it is to get the diesel related parts since it never came in the USA and its a no brainer.

I also have to say his claims of 28mpg are very hard to believe. There are several guys on the internet that state mpg for these vehicles and most claim around 20-22 avg. I get 19-20mpg hwy and 16-18mpg city in my 3.4L and again gas is roughly 60 cents cheaper per gallon here in Tx.

I have a small side buisness doing diesel conversions so I can easily swap a readily available isuzu diesel or cummins 3.3 or many other options into my 4 runner for much less than the $8500 difference.

I'm not bashing the guy he's just trying to get what he thinks the vehicle is worth and I can't fault him for that since it appears to be a nice truck but you almost never sell these kinda vehicles for what you have into them, hence why I do the conversions instead of selling whole vehicles.
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Wait! You swap the Isuzu 4JB1-T in other SUV's? Might i pick your brain as to what transmission you generally use with the swap, or any adapters you may use to mount the stock tranny too it, and what bellhousing to use, i am trying to compile information about this motor for the swap as i am planning on swapping it into a project vehicle over the next few years.
 
what's with the shifters on his truck?

I've never seen the manual shifter on the right like that, let alone manual with multimode.

Not a US transmission I assume.
 
I think that the fuel consumption gains of going with a diesel are only one of the benefits of a swap like this. No, It's not going to get 50% better mileage than the 3.4L, but it will be somewhat better in terms of fuel economy. I am also sure that you can tune them and get a little more MPG out of it. They just have so much torque (generally speaking) and from a drive-ability standpoint I bet that truck is easier to drive when it is fully loaded down and still will get more MPG. Not to mention the cool factor.

I'd drive it in a heart-beat!

A guy on CT4WD has a SAS, Linked 1st gen double cab, on 37's?, dual cases, and he is currently swapping in a diesel from a 2004 Hilux. Now that is BA!!!
 
ChildrenOfBodom said:
what's with the shifters on his truck?

I've never seen the manual shifter on the right like that, let alone manual with multimode.

Not a US transmission I assume.
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Good eye. Looks like he trimmed the auto shifter trim to make it work since I've haven't seen a Surf like that. I also think all Surf's came with multimode, not 100% on it but all the one's I have seen have it.
 
well crap. this would come up at the worst time. I plan on doing this to my truck eventually anyway. That price doesn't seem unreasonable considering an '02 t4r will run you anywhere from $7-11k and then a good quality swap from an experienced shop (ie. dieseltoyz) will run you close to $15k unless you do it yourself. anyone want to buy my truck to help me fund this? :naughty:

As rickashay said, there are more reasons to purchase other than economy. Torque, the ability to run alternative fuels etc. Also, like he said, I am sure 30mpg's is not out of reach with a good tune. I had a mkIV jetta tdi with a good tune and some bolt ons that was regularly getting over 60mpg's highway. Diesels respond EXTREMELY well to proper modifications
 
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well crap. this would come up at the worst time. I plan on doing this to my truck eventually anyway. That price doesn't seem unreasonable considering an '02 t4r will run you anywhere from $7-11k and then a good quality swap from an experienced shop (ie. dieseltoyz) will run you close to $15k unless you do it yourself. anyone want to buy my truck to help me fund this? :naughty:

As rickashay said, there are more reasons to purchase other than economy. Torque, the ability to run alternative fuels etc. Also, like he said, I am sure 30mpg's is not out of reach with a good tune. I had a mkIV jetta tdi with a good tune and some bolt ons that was regularly getting over 60mpg's highway. Diesels respond EXTREMELY well to proper modifications
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The only things that diesels respond well too is boost and more fuel.

VW's already get 45 to 50 mpg's. So 60 is like a 12% improvement.

Most 4runner diesels i have read were only 20 or so.

Getting 30 out of his set up with large tires is baloney.
 
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