Pros / Cons of 4th Gen. What year to buy?

Something to note is that with the iron block you can hone and bore the cylinders when rebuilding the engine. With most Toyota aluminum blocks, Toyota specifies that they are not serviceable in this manner and any damage or wear to the sleeves requires replacement of the entire short block.
 
He said, in the section you quoted, that it is *louder* in reverse, not only audible in reverse.

I'm glad Hurricanes started this thread but I don't understand 1) why an iron block is believed to last longer than aluminum and 2) why guys with only 100k are talking like that's a lot of miles. Where are the 200-300k people at? :-)

As cast iron is heat cycled, its hardness increases throughout its structure. Of course, while this means the engine block is more brittle and stiff (and therefore stronger, since resistance to deflection and deformation is considered strength in engine terms) it makes it more prone to cracking around casting flaws or intrusions (usually around coolant, oil passages, or bolt/stud locations and such). You may have heard the term "aged" used with engine blocks... this is what they're referring to. Essentially, an aged block is going to handle extreme stresses with less deflection better than a young block still warm from the foundry. Old school guys used to surf scrap yards for their next performance block, instead of rolling into the dealership, hoping for a motor with favourable core-shift in an old van hulk.

The 2UZ, the 4.7L V8, is bi-metal: cast iron block and aluminum heads. This means that it's likely a metal headgasket from the factory with a very smooth finish on the mating surfaces. Since Al and CI expand and contract at different rates, they'll slide around on each other but stay sealed. The 7M had plenty of problems with its composite headgasket. Toyota dropped the M in favour of the JZ with its stock metal headgasket. The 5VZ also has a metal gasket from Toyota.

Al heads/CI blocks bi metal engines have been around for...ever. The R, VZ, JZ, M, G engines... ones that I can name off the top of my head, were all bi-metal, and generally regarded as bomb proof in all their iterations.

Aluminum can achieve what's called a "soft" condition, or annealed state through heat treating (this threshold is much higher than an engine should ever get, though). Great for working aluminum in industry, horrible for aluminum motors. Heat cycling alone can make aluminum weak around high strain/high heat areas like exhaust studs after a few decades. This is why all aluminum engines are so vulnerable to overheating... A high temperature overheat will accelerate this process. In a bi-metal engine, the cast iron block can take an insane amount of energy to get real hot... prolonging the life of the aluminum heads. Ever cooked with an aluminum pan and a cast iron pan at the same time? You'll see the difference in action. I've thrown out plenty of aluminum pans... but I have my great grandmother's cast iron pan handy for doing breakfast up.

Anyway, an all aluminum motor shouldn't be overheated at all costs.

Nonetheless, the 1GR is a great motor. In my opinion, it has to be to live as long as they are living, make the specific power they do, and live life in a truck. I do believe the 5.7L Tundy motor is all aluminum as well. It towed the space shuttle so I'm sure it's fine too.



For those that didn't bother to read the bulk, highlights are that cast iron motors are alot more forgiving for design mistakes. All-aluminum motors must be designed perfectly and kept in good form to last a long time.
 
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Great post, Keros. So good, in fact, that I checked your other 4.

In addition to post count and other info in the username column, there should be an entry for signal to noise ratio. Yours would be off the charts.
 
For those that didn't bother to read the bulk, highlights are that cast iron motors are alot more forgiving for design mistakes. All-aluminum motors must be designed perfectly and kept in good form to last a long time.

Keros, thanks for taking the time to write that up.
 
I enjoy the 03 I have for these reasons. The Grey cladding takes parking lot bumps and dings and doesn't show the damage. The transmission has a dipstick and is easy serviceable (04+ got "sealed" trannys with no dip stick). The grill is color matched to the body (I hate chrome, so you have to get the limited models to get color matched grills in any other year). Its old enough to be very affordable and still have the feel of a newer truck.

Issues to look for in older models-
Transfer case leaks around the actuator.
Seized brake calipers.
Cracked exhaust manifold on V8 ( I have this and can only hear it in reverse and for 1> min on cold start ups.)
Stock/JBL headunits get tired and fail to load CDs.

I have an '04 V6 and I have the tranny dipstick, maybe the switch to sealed happened early to mid '04.
 
I decided to go ahead and put a remanufactured motor in the Expedition because my wife needs the transportation and I didn't want to rush into buying a 4runner that wasn't exactly the one I wanted. This will buy me some time to look for right one. I would like to test drive some 4runners with the V6 and some with the v8. I also want to check out other options for the different years. I appreciate all the input everyone has given. I have been a member on yotatech for a long time and plan to stick around here hoping to get and pass along some good info.
 
pro... mines been great 80k no problems
con... its not a 3ed gen.

clean low mileage 3ed gen t4rs and 1gen taco trucks are hard to find but when you do you will pay for them!
 
I didn't see anyone mention the XREAS Failure around 150k or earlier...

Not a huge deal but a mtce cost for sure...Remove and go to shocks for $400 or replace XREAS for $1200
 
I currently own a 99 Limited with 165k miles. I purchased it back about 5 years ago with 106K miles. I was very specific in what I wanted... silver, limited and the rear locking differential. I have really enjoyed it and plan to keep it until it becomes a money pit. I found out some bad news today that my other vehicle (99 Ford Expedition has a blown head gasket. This is my wifes daily driver. I have to make some quick decisions as to whether spend the money on the Expeditoin or cutting my losses and buying something else. I have been looking at an 04 4runner limited 4x4 v8 with a little over 100K miles. Not being familiar with the v8 / v6 option what do you guys think as far as reliability and longevity of the two motors? We don't really do any hauling other than a standard size utility trailer. I have read a few post about the v8's having some really expensive emission problems and I was also curious how the all aluminum v6's were holding up. I would appreciate your thoughts and suggestions. Were there any issues with the 03, 04 or 05 model years? Any changes for the later years that make them more desireable?

Thanks.

Now..your going to have to tell us what you end up getting, and pic's too!
I have the, from what I read here and from my own experience, much loved 06' Sport - so far, no issues - 80k miles on it.
 

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