adio3x
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lol, the quality is a lot better than nikons. Most film makers prefer manual focus over AF anyways.
Question for all the Pro/Semi Pro/Amateur Photographers
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lol, the quality is a lot better than nikons. Most film makers prefer manual focus over AF anyways.
DEKA3
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gotcha. Thanks
BrianSD_42
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What? I don't think filmmakers prefer manual. That is such a broad statement. Filmmakers use both manual and auto; they want a camera that does either well.
Cannon is not superior in video or still pictures. Both Nikon and canon make very strong product lines. I have asked a few people about this and the response has always been that once you start buying lenses a photographer usually sticks with the same brand.
Canon may have superior video on its. SUB-$1000 SLRs. That would be a fair statement only because Canon has embraced a "race to the bottom" approach on their cheap SLRs while Nikon hasn't. But better overall video? No, I disagree.
The T2i is a very nice camera but I am saving up for a Nikon D7000 body.
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BrianSD_42
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Says who?
Again with the broad non-technical statements. Post a link.
Again with the broad non-technical statements. Post a link.
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Hepar
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Nice! What restaurant? I still lease a small office space on 80th and Broadway. And by small, I mean it's the size of a broom closet.
DEKA3
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Thats actually a standard size. Ive seen offices in midtown that literally didnt fit 2 chairs and a desk, and the person was paying $7500 a month.
I used to work at Viand Cafe, corner 75th & Broadway. That was many years ago though.
adio3x
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You really think pro filmers want AF? I've been in the industry for years, both video and photography. The reason why filmers prefer manual to AF, is because AF tends to drift in and out of focus. If you want a solid focus, use manual, mark it, and than you can choose your focus points. AF won't work 100% of the time, it'll sometimes take quite awhile to focus on a subject. Once you master MF its game over.
Ask any videographer, 95% of the time they'll say MF over AF.
The T3i an entry level camera, has way far superior video capabilities than lets say a mid level Nikon such as the d300s. T3i shoots 1080p at 30fps, while the nikon can only do 24fps at 720p. T3i can go up to 60fps in 720p, which is unheard of in any Nikon camera, except for the D4 that just came out. Thats a $600 camera compared to a $6k camera. I'm saying performance wise, Canon has the edge over Nikon when it comes to video.
Now if we we're talking about shootings stills, yes Nikon has the edge over canon. Image quality is far more superior, Canon may have the upper hand on resolution, but what consumer really needs 20+ megapixels?
Canon and Nikon, both make great cameras. I'm not saying one brand is better than the other. I myself shoot both, I'm a nikon guy for stills, a canon guy for video. If nikon had a superior camera for video that wasn't as expensive as the d4, than yes I'd be shooting strictly nikon. Both brands have their own advantages.
Kraeken
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If you're going to buy a guide, consider this one- Complete Guide to the Nikon D5100
Many other guides are merely the instruction manual rehashed. Thom Hogan does good stuff, and he has a great website.
Many other guides are merely the instruction manual rehashed. Thom Hogan does good stuff, and he has a great website.
Hepar
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I work in video production and would agree with this. The vast majority of time we shoot, we're on MF. Don't want a wandering eye. The times we will use auto focus is when say setting up an interview. We'll pop it on AF, focus and then switch it to MF.
BrianSD_42
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Look all I am saying is that filmmakers want autofocus as well; they want both. Look back through my comments. I never said "filmmakers don't need or use manual. LOL man calm down.
BTW, you are comparing the T3i ($641 new on Amazon) to the D3000 ($399 new at 42StreetPhoto) when you should really be comparing it to the D5000.
The D5000 has is a far better camera than the D3000 and is priced @ $616 on Buy.com.
Anyways, the statement that Canon's are better at video (implying brand superiority) is pretty much baseless at this point. Both companies offer very competitive products.
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adio3x
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I wasn't trying to make an argument out of it. I was simply telling you my knowledge of the two brands. And I never said that you were saying that, you said that it was a broad statement that they don't prefer MF. But they do prefer MF over AF. Also I was comparing the t3i to a D300s ($1700 body) and actually I can rephrase it and say the t3i vs the D3s ($4,899). Line up the specs, T3i owns the nikon in video. Again im not saying one brand is better than the other. Performance wise the Canon has the edge over the Nikon when it comes to video. Thats not implying brand superiority, if a pentax had what was in the t3i, I'd say Pentax had better video than Nikon and Canon.
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JohnsD90
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Alright, A good lens will can last your career, you would be lucky to get 5 years out of a body (speaking of digital). From listening to my father and other Pro Photog's i have learned that you buy the right equipment the first time, and you won't ever have to buy it again, you buy the sh*t one and you will find yourself buying the better version later on anyway, this is especially true when comparing "Sigma" and "tamaron" type lens to lets say nikkor lens, as i don't think i have ever seen a pro use a non nikon or canon lens. Also the good F2.8 zoom lens' tend to be rather expensive, if i were you i would look into single focal length lens as they tend to be quicker, lighter and cheaper than the zoom lens and they give a much better aperture range, what is really cool is that you can get some better shots than the zoom lens's, but the drawback is you cannot zoom in or out.
And I shoot nikon, and i couldn't care less about video, i bought this camera to take pictures not videos, i doubt many people buy video cameras for still photos.
My own gear: Nikon D300, Nikon D2h, Nikkor F1.4G 50mm, Nikkor F3.5-4.5G 18-70mm, and an SB-800, but i steal my dad's stuff all the time, specifically his SB-800's and pocket wizards.'
BTW BUY USED GEAR, it saves a boatload of cash and only takes a little common sense.
And I shoot nikon, and i couldn't care less about video, i bought this camera to take pictures not videos, i doubt many people buy video cameras for still photos.
My own gear: Nikon D300, Nikon D2h, Nikkor F1.4G 50mm, Nikkor F3.5-4.5G 18-70mm, and an SB-800, but i steal my dad's stuff all the time, specifically his SB-800's and pocket wizards.'
BTW BUY USED GEAR, it saves a boatload of cash and only takes a little common sense.
Kraeken
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I'd like to chime in. I am a semi professional photographer. I don't do it for a living, but I have an LLC, and I do sell my stuff when I try. I do mainly B&W landscapes but I have also done photojournalism and a couple of weddings and such.
Nikon and Canon have been around since 1917 and 1937 respectively. They make some of the best optics in the world- not just for our cameras, they make glass for microscopes, telescopes, military equipment, million dollar machines that make microchips, they make glass that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Both companies know what they are doing, and do it well.
I use Nikon SLR's and now DSLR's because my dad used one in Vietnam, and the camera still works. I used his 1965 lenses on my 6006 and 8008s in college. Most Nikon DSLR's are set up in a similar way, so you can go from one to the other and all the controls will be in the same place. Every Nikon lens will fit on every Nikon SLR, with a very few exceptions.
However, all my point and shoot cameras are Canon. I like the way their controls are set up, I like the set of features, and the fact most of their P&S cameras have dedicated underwater housings. I'm not crazy about Nikon P&S.
Right now I am using a D300, and also my wife's D40x as a second body. They have the same sensor (made by Sony, by the way.) I have no immediate plans to buy a new body because two years ago at the PDN Photo Expo in NYC, I stared at two huge side by side images, one from a D300 and one from a D3, and I could barely tell the difference. My D300 has a sealed body built around a metal chassis, and my lenses are weather resistant. I love my cameras and what they allow me to do!
If I had the cash, I would be using Mamiya cameras and Leef backs for my landscape stuff...
But I may be becoming a dinosaur, because I can't for the life of me understand why people are basing their DSLR purchasing decisions on video features! If someone wants to shot high quality video, wouldn't they buy a video camera? Isn't the video capability of a DLSR kind of a side thing? Most of this thread is about video features.
Use your DSLR to make stunning still images that cause people to stop in their tracks with their mouths open. Don't buy a DSLR to make movies.
However, now that you've bought the camera (good choice,) lets talk about lenses, accessories and technique!
Nikon and Canon have been around since 1917 and 1937 respectively. They make some of the best optics in the world- not just for our cameras, they make glass for microscopes, telescopes, military equipment, million dollar machines that make microchips, they make glass that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars. Both companies know what they are doing, and do it well.
I use Nikon SLR's and now DSLR's because my dad used one in Vietnam, and the camera still works. I used his 1965 lenses on my 6006 and 8008s in college. Most Nikon DSLR's are set up in a similar way, so you can go from one to the other and all the controls will be in the same place. Every Nikon lens will fit on every Nikon SLR, with a very few exceptions.
However, all my point and shoot cameras are Canon. I like the way their controls are set up, I like the set of features, and the fact most of their P&S cameras have dedicated underwater housings. I'm not crazy about Nikon P&S.
Right now I am using a D300, and also my wife's D40x as a second body. They have the same sensor (made by Sony, by the way.) I have no immediate plans to buy a new body because two years ago at the PDN Photo Expo in NYC, I stared at two huge side by side images, one from a D300 and one from a D3, and I could barely tell the difference. My D300 has a sealed body built around a metal chassis, and my lenses are weather resistant. I love my cameras and what they allow me to do!
If I had the cash, I would be using Mamiya cameras and Leef backs for my landscape stuff...
But I may be becoming a dinosaur, because I can't for the life of me understand why people are basing their DSLR purchasing decisions on video features! If someone wants to shot high quality video, wouldn't they buy a video camera? Isn't the video capability of a DLSR kind of a side thing? Most of this thread is about video features.
Use your DSLR to make stunning still images that cause people to stop in their tracks with their mouths open. Don't buy a DSLR to make movies.
However, now that you've bought the camera (good choice,) lets talk about lenses, accessories and technique!
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adio3x
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I'll just keep this short without getting too much into it. Video on DLSRs is def a new age thing. Started with the D90 a few years ago. The reason why people are so interested with HDSLRs is because of the large sensors and portability. Large sensors = great low light performance. Also on camcorders, its a fixed lens, unless you go into prosumer cameras, but those are thousands of dollars. Another aspect that people like is the shallow DOF. On camcorders, its fixed, but with a hdslr, you could go down to a aperture of 1.2 and get that awesome bokeh added to 24p "film" look. So basically you're paying $2000 instead of paying $10k+.
This was a major kill in the prosumer vs hdlsr market if you haven't already heard of it.
House Season Finale Filmed Entirely with Canon 5D Mark II
This was a major kill in the prosumer vs hdlsr market if you haven't already heard of it.
House Season Finale Filmed Entirely with Canon 5D Mark II
Sputnik
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Both brands are great, and both those cameras a great starter dslr's. I myself went withthe t3i because it felt Better in my hands, and it had advantages on the video side.
Now 6 mo ths later, in VERY happy with my decision. I also noticed canon lenses are easier to find, and there colors seem brighter to me, maybe it's just me...
But both are GREAT cameras,
But you heard right, it's all about the glass
Now 6 mo ths later, in VERY happy with my decision. I also noticed canon lenses are easier to find, and there colors seem brighter to me, maybe it's just me...
But both are GREAT cameras,
But you heard right, it's all about the glass
Hepar
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I might as well add my two cents too. We shoot video primarily on a 5d mark ii for several reasons. Small compact size in regards to the quality you get and the ability to change lenses just to name a couple. That being said we are in the process of buying a couple of Canon video cameras (advantage of still being able to use the lenses we have and then use the 5d as a b-roll camera). The disadvantages that we've found with shooting on the 5d are that its lightweight size makes it hard to shoot hand held (especially when we shoot with the 70-200mm attached to it) and we need a body that can accommodate some better audio (XLR ports).
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not true:
D3100 from Nikon
Full 1080p HD Cinematic Video with full-time autofocus and sound lets you record cinematic-quality movies in Full 1080p HD format (1920 x 1080 pixels).
Movie Frame size (pixels) and frame rate 640 x 424 (24p): 24 fps (23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (25p): 25 fps
1280 x 720 (24p): 24 fps (23.976 fps)
1280 x 720 (30p): 30 fps (29.97 fps)
1920 x 1080 (24p): 24 fps (23.976 fps)
DEKA3
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AH, accessories...
OK. I have uh....nothing yet.
I did order a Sigma multi-coated UV filter...more for actual lens protection than anything else...
I am looking to get an extra battery very soon, and most definitely a prime lens (50mm f1.8 or 35mm f1.8).
Also on my list is a decent camera/laptop bag, and a tripod.
What else am I missing?
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