Re: No V8 and no center diff in SR5 and TE models...

Having never lived in a state with snow I have ignorantly just thought 4wd is fine but everyone is saying that this center differential is necessary???
Necessary? I grew up in Chicago driving a RWD 1970 Ford station wagon. Even part-time 4WD is not necessary. No, the center diff is not necessary, but it sure is nicer.

How does this 5ht gen 4wd compare to the current Tacoma TRD offroad?
The guts are basically the same -- part-time transfer case -- but the 4Runner has a better electronic traction control, and an optional rear locking diff. I don't know if the Tacoma has an optional rear locking diff.
 
Yeah, the full-time 4wd is nice on my 4th gen. Like M1911 mentioned, often times you can go from completely snow packed and icy roads to bone dry in a block or two and then back again. Just being able to hop in my 4R and not having to worry about what is thrown my way is nice. The Torsen center diff is definitely a nice feature to have.
 
Having never lived in a state with snow I have ignorantly just thought 4wd is fine but everyone is saying that this center differential is necessary???

Not necessary at all. It's a luxury. People get along fine without them.

Also, when I would drive from Tampa to Orlando in torrential rain that caused some flooding I would drive my step moms 95 in 4wd high under 65mph I am understanding that I could have messed up the drive train by doing that? (I thought the owners manual said it was okay)

No, that gets blown way out of proportion. No worries, especially if the manual said so.
 
I don't know if the Tacoma has an optional rear locking diff.

The TRD Off-Road package Tacomas has the rear locker, you can even get this package on the PreRunner models (2WD). The TRD Sport package Tacomas has a limited slip diff (LSD). LSD is optional on other trims.
 
:barf:

I know for certain that the Torsen center diff was introduced midway through the 3rd gen life cycle, so I can easily see them doing the same thing here.

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I wouldn't be so certain until you are certain. No 3rd gen 4Runner ever came with a Torsen center diff. The Torsen unit debuted in the 4th gen. Limited 99 and 00 and all 4wd 01 and 02 utilize an Aisin center diff.
 
Because here in the Northeast, we have snow in the winter. The road often changes from dry to wet to partly snow covered to completely snow covered and back in just a 1/2 mile or so. If the road is wet or has some slush on it, and you need to start up fast to accelerate into a break in the traffic, with full-time 4WD you just punch it and the truck goes. Much less slipping and sliding than if you were in 2WD.

Furthermore, when you are on a completely snow covered road, a part-time 4WD provides worse traction than a full-time 4WD with Torsen center diff. On a part-time 4WD, the front and rear driveshafts turn at the same speed. But as you go around a corner, the front of the car takes a longer path than the rear. So if you are in 4WD with a part-time system, at least one tire is slipping.

In contrast, a full-time 4WD system with a Torsen center diff allows the front and rear driveshafts to rotate at different speeds. So you don't have that slipping when cornering in the snow.

Great explanation! After several Toyota trucks, including my current Tundra with part time 4WD, an Expedition with AWD (the front axle kicks in only after the rear starts to slip), the full time 4WD in our 4Runner is far superior in the winter here in Michigan.
 
Really, the 4runner made it 17-18 (?) years with no V8 and earlier models are just as capable if not more capable off road than 4th gens with a V8. The only place a V8 would help is towing HIGH weights in the mountains... if that's a deal breaker for you then why do you want a off-road based vehicle? Get a tundra, larger toyota, or some crappy Ford/GM thing.
Also, the center torsen diff. really only is beneficial in areas like the NE when you're TURNING! I agree it would be nice, but not a huge deal IMO. My 2000 does fine.
Just my 2cents....

That's why I didn't buy a 4Runner until the 4th gen with a V8, earlier models were all under powered. I towed my boat with a '98 Tacoma for about a year, it got the job done, but there were some hills I could barely do 50 MPH on.
 
V8 is not just for towing. It's also the smoothness and lower rpm noise during daily driving and the confidence to blow away mediocre V6 SUVs like the Honda Pilot, The Acura MDX and Lexus RX350 in straight line jack rabbit starts. Now that's more fun than towing and you can do that every day.
 
they both suck, DIESEL IS FAR SUPERIOR, engine noise is a minor setback if you cant take it than keep bltching here.
 
Furthermore, when you are on a completely snow covered road, a part-time 4WD provides worse traction than a full-time 4WD with Torsen center diff. On a part-time 4WD, the front and rear driveshafts turn at the same speed. But as you go around a corner, the front of the car takes a longer path than the rear. So if you are in 4WD with a part-time system, at least one tire is slipping.

In contrast, a full-time 4WD system with a Torsen center diff allows the front and rear driveshafts to rotate at different speeds. So you don't have that slipping when cornering in the snow.

not sure if u are trying to describe the part-time 4wd versus the full-time 4wd of the 4th gen but it is my understanding that the part-time system in the 4th gen v6 acts the exact same as the full-time in the v8, and both has the torsen center diff, so there should not be any slippage problem as long as you don't lock the center diff.

i personally have driven many miles on pavement in 4hi mode without any problems and have 95k trouble-free miles now.

anyways, to comment on the original message... as if it wasn't enough of a letdown that the v8 runner is no longer available in the 5th gen, it sucks if there was no locking center diff in the sr5/trail ed.

this should all be cleared up once enthusiasts start buying. but it shouldnt be a problem since it's being touted as such a capable offroader.
 
not sure if u are trying to describe the part-time 4wd versus the full-time 4wd of the 4th gen but it is my understanding that the part-time system in the 4th gen v6 acts the exact same as the full-time in the v8, and both has the torsen center diff, so there should not be any slippage problem as long as you don't lock the center diff.
The 4th gen V6 has a multi-mode system with a Torsen center diff, so it can be driven in 4hi just like the V8.

The 5th gen V6, however, no longer has the Torsen center diff. It has a part-time 4WD system that can not be driven on dry pavement in 4WD.
 
they both suck, DIESEL IS FAR SUPERIOR, engine noise is a minor setback if you cant take it than keep bltching here.
Modern clean diesels (not the 1-ton pickup diesels) are very quiet. But Toyota USA is wedded to hybrids and we're just not going to see a diesel 4Runner anytime soon, unfortunately.
 
Modern clean diesels (not the 1-ton pickup diesels) are very quiet. But Toyota USA is wedded to hybrids and we're just not going to see a diesel 4Runner anytime soon, unfortunately.

Shame, because a modern turbo diesel would be a great engine in a 4runner -- plenty of torque and significantly better gas mileage.

However, I'm impressed that Toyota has managed to get a few more mpg out of the V6 5th gen vs. the V6 4th gen, which weighs 500lb less. How'd they do that?!


Other disappointments IMO with the 5th gen -- still the useless hood scoop on the TE, no locking center diff on the TE, the KDSS option on the TE also requires you to buy the nav system (why?), it's 2" wider than the 4th gen thanks to those silly bulging wheel arches (that'll be a potential liability on a narrow trail), and finally... the fact that it looks like a cross between a bulging Sequoia and a square Honda Pilot. Gah!
 
The 4th gen V6 has a multi-mode system with a Torsen center diff, so it can be driven in 4hi just like the V8.

The 5th gen V6, however, no longer has the Torsen center diff. It has a part-time 4WD system that can not be driven on dry pavement in 4WD.

Except for the Limited model which is full time 4wd. :wink2:
 
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