**Rear Coil Spring Discussion - The Perfect 3rd Gen Rear Spring**

[Black798]

Yep I run them. Had them for 6 or 7 months now. I really like them, rides like my 7 wraps with the same lift but way less body roll and handle weight good. No issues flexing them out either. And they stay tight even with my long travel 3 linked rear

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[gbb]

Timely thread as I'm looking to refresh the tired suspension on my 2000. What's the difference between the Dobinson C59-131 vs. C59-137v other than load capacity? The 131 is listed as standard load while the 137v is listed as heavy load. Are the free heights the same?

Looking at Dobinsons' catalog, the C59-131 is listed as a raised replacement for a 90 series Prado, which is the equivalent to our 3rd gens here. On the other hand, the C59-137v is listed as a raised replacement in the Landcruiser section of the catalog.

I'm wondering if the C59-131s would correlate more closely to '99 talls, while the C59-137v could be thought of as a OME 906 equivalent.

I believe the Dobinsons would provide a better ride than both for my application.

 

[gbb]

Timely thread as I'm looking to refresh the tired suspension on my 2000. What's the difference between the Dobinson C59-131 vs. C59-137v other than load capacity? The 131 is listed as standard load while the 137v is listed as heavy load. Are the free heights the same?

Looking at Dobinsons' catalog, the C59-131 is listed as a raised replacement for a 90 series Prado, which is the equivalent to our 3rd gens here. On the other hand, the C59-137v is listed as a raised replacement in the Landcruiser section of the catalog.

I'm wondering if the C59-131s would correlate more closely to '99 talls, while the C59-137v could be thought of as a OME 906 equivalent.

I believe the Dobinsons would provide a better ride than both for my application.

I spoke with Mike at Exit Offroad and learned that the 131 is a linear rate coil, while the 137v is a progressive rate coil. I opted for these instead of '99 talls and OME 906s. Will update with ride quality once I get them installed.

 

[CT135]

Just ordered the dobinson c59-210v from vividracing. They had at least one in stock and I got free shipping for $190 total. Discount code fs2020

 

[Wrecked - Rebuilt]

Just ordered the dobinson c59-210v from vividracing. They had at least one in stock and I got free shipping for $190 total. Discount code fs2020

Thank you so much for posting this! I just placed an order as well. $190 and used the promo fs2020 for free shipping. Seemed to have another set as I haven't been notified that they are out of stock.

 

[rickashay]

Just ordered the dobinson c59-210v from vividracing. They had at least one in stock and I got free shipping for $190 total. Discount code fs2020

Please take before/after measurements! I am curious what kind of height these net without any gear loaded.

 

[CT135]

Please take before/after measurements! I am curious what kind of height these net without any gear loaded.

I think I am about 5 weeks out on my bumper so it'll be a while. I currently have 891's with a 10mm packer in the rear but when I throw a couple hundred pounds back there it doesn't hold like I want it to, so i'm hoping these will be my perfect springs.

 

[SilverBullet8404]

861s w/ LC Tokico Shocks, PCK, extended bumpstops FTW

 

[toverturf]

Anyone have any updates on how the 210v's are? My 4runner came with the rough country lift and i'd like to get something better so i'm looking for new springs and shocks. The 210v's look like they might be pretty good for what I plan on doing to my 4runner.

 

[Amory]

I got ready to pull the trigger on some 861s this week but found this thread. My brother and I each have 3rd gens that are very similar and both of us are looking for a 3-3.5" lift with bumpers, swingouts, sliders, and 80-100 lbs. or more of gear. I've also been preparing to move my rear shocks outside of my frame. After finding and reading over this thread, I remembered AssBurns's build thread where I saw he's running stock JL coils in the rear for about 2" of lift with a pretty beefy looking bumper and I'm not sure how much other weight, so maybe an aftermarket JL coil could be a viable option. I'm not sure how to tag him though, but maybe he could offer something else... I'm also very interested to hear how the Dobinsons fit and handle weight.

 

[jkeith.w]

I got ready to pull the trigger on some 861s this week but found this thread. My brother and I each have 3rd gens that are very similar and both of us are looking for a 3-3.5" lift with bumpers, swingouts, sliders, and 80-100 lbs. or more of gear. I've also been preparing to move my rear shocks outside of my frame. After finding and reading over this thread, I remembered AssBurns's build thread where I saw he's running stock JL coils in the rear for about 2" of lift with a pretty beefy looking bumper and I'm not sure how much other weight, so maybe an aftermarket JL coil could be a viable option. I'm not sure how to tag him though, but maybe he could offer something else... I'm also very interested to hear how the Dobinsons fit and handle weight.

His JLs were too soft after he put the spare tire on the rear, IIRC. [MENTION=118730]AssBurns[/MENTION]

 

[clearock]

I got ready to pull the trigger on some 861s this week but found this thread. My brother and I each have 3rd gens that are very similar and both of us are looking for a 3-3.5" lift with bumpers, swingouts, sliders, and 80-100 lbs. or more of gear. I've also been preparing to move my rear shocks outside of my frame. After finding and reading over this thread, I remembered AssBurns's build thread where I saw he's running stock JL coils in the rear for about 2" of lift with a pretty beefy looking bumper and I'm not sure how much other weight, so maybe an aftermarket JL coil could be a viable option. I'm not sure how to tag him though, but maybe he could offer something else... I'm also very interested to hear how the Dobinsons fit and handle weight.

OME2850 with all the above + f150 gas tank and a bit more gear

 

[AssBurns]

I got ready to pull the trigger on some 861s this week but found this thread. My brother and I each have 3rd gens that are very similar and both of us are looking for a 3-3.5" lift with bumpers, swingouts, sliders, and 80-100 lbs. or more of gear. I've also been preparing to move my rear shocks outside of my frame. After finding and reading over this thread, I remembered AssBurns's build thread where I saw he's running stock JL coils in the rear for about 2" of lift with a pretty beefy looking bumper and I'm not sure how much other weight, so maybe an aftermarket JL coil could be a viable option. I'm not sure how to tag him though, but maybe he could offer something else... I'm also very interested to hear how the Dobinsons fit and handle weight.

With just the bumper, tools/gear, and small ice chest, I was sitting around 1.5-2" of lift with the JL coils. Once I put the spare tire on, and moved the battery to the rear, it sat probably less than 1" of lift, so I put my 8 wraps back on, and now I'm sitting around 2.5-3" of lift. With the current setup, it has a good enough lift height, and soft enough to perform well.

 

[TonyB66]

When I was pondering this decision, I determined that 891s would do the trick for me like 95% of the time. When really geared-up, tongue weight added from a utility trailer, I figured that 861s would be best for such loads. Right or wrong, I decided to not go with the 861s... My thinking was to get the spring most ideal for the vast majority of my intended use scenarios (891s), then air up for those higher load situations.

Seems like a logical approach. Time will tell...

 

[MattJakobs]

I know I may be one of the few, but I love my 861s in anything I wish they were stiffer/held more weight. But then again I do have a good amount of weight back there, full bumper w/swing out and tire, hilift, tools, recovery equipment, sub, amp, compressor, rollbar and basket... I find that sometimes I get a little wiggle back there and some harsher bounces, to combat that I have airbags inside the coils, and I should probably step up to a 2.5 shock in the back not just the 2.0.

Also a big fan of my 861s.

I've got a drawer system in the back, 50 qt. fridge, lots of tools, spare parts, swing out bumper w/ 35" tire, recovery equipment, sub & amp, ARB dual compressor, and whatever camping gear we need. Plus more tools on top in a pelican case.

Most of my trips are also with my lady friend and our two dogs (~60 lbs each). Guessing loaded up, my weight is somewhere in the 5250-5500 lb range. It's a lot. FWIW, it isn't my daily and most of our trips involve setting up a base camp and wheeling from there. A good amount of the weight comes out with that but all tools, recovery gear, fridge, etc. remains in the 4Runner.

This picture does a pretty decent job of showing how low these things get when weighed down.
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[Amory]

With just the bumper, tools/gear, and small ice chest, I was sitting around 1.5-2" of lift with the JL coils. Once I put the spare tire on, and moved the battery to the rear, it sat probably less than 1" of lift, so I put my 8 wraps back on, and now I'm sitting around 2.5-3" of lift. With the current setup, it has a good enough lift height, and soft enough to perform well.

In that case maybe I'll look into stock LC coils. I won't be carrying a significant amount of weight anytime in the near future and my bumper will be as light and close to the body as possible.

 

[Ser1clymb]

I hope I'm not ruining the initial discussion of the thread, but are the stock landcruiser coils progressive? I would really like a progressive coil in the back (I have no added weight) and in the 3-inch lift range.
I have the 890s which are great, but might need a little more lift in the back. Maybe I just took the wrong advice and should get a shock to fit my coils instead of the other way around. I'm running 4th gen 5100 with the 890s.

 

[Dezert4Runner]

I hope I'm not ruining the initial discussion of the thread, but are the stock landcruiser coils progressive? I would really like a progressive coil in the back (I have no added weight) and in the 3-inch lift range.
I have the 890s which are great, but might need a little more lift in the back. Maybe I just took the wrong advice and should get a shock to fit my coils instead of the other way around. I'm running 4th gen 5100 with the 890s.

I had the same setup and was riding my extended bumpstops too often when wheeling so I got the Superflex coils. I was at the point that I wanted something that could handle at least a couple hundred pounds and still get 3” of lift so in my case the coil swap was and easy decision. I loved my 890’s for daily driving and wheeling but they just didn’t sit high enough for my usage with extended bumpstops and some extra weight when wheeling.

To answer your question, LC coils are linear and are not great at holding weight. The upside is that since they sit so high to begin with, once loaded down they will still sit at a decent height. Possibly too much lift unloaded if you like the 3” lift hight range of the 890’s.

 

[toverturf]

So I just got the 210v springs today. They're labeled left and right side. There's a little diagram on the box with a top down view of a right hand drive car facing forward. It's showing that left is the passenger side and right is driver. Since we don't have right hand drive cars here obviously would I swap the sides and put the one labeled right on my driver side?

 

[HiluxSurf SSR-G]

No, keep the coil spring position as indicated on the diagram. most of the weights are on the left so the effect of the RHD position is minimal