Reman or Rebuild? Just found my mileage had been rolled back

[jimmyrecluse]

1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5-V6 3.4L V6 AT Transmission assembly, automatic. Driveline - 350103D35084 - Genuine Toyota Part


Not a bad deal, am I right that this is a 100% complete and working ready to bolt on transmission?

 

[BoomerBob]

1999 Toyota 4Runner SR5-V6 3.4L V6 AT Transmission assembly, automatic. Driveline - 350103D35084 - Genuine Toyota Part


Not a bad deal, am I right that this is a 100% complete and working ready to bolt on transmission?

It better be for $4,200 although you do get $1k back when you return the engine. The fine print is always key. Do they pay for shipping both ways or do you and is it included in the price?

If the trans isn't rebuildable, according to them, you won't get the full $1k back either. Just some questions to ask before you buy.

I found it interesting Toyota used different transmissions in these from 97-2000. I wonder was is different with the 96, 01, and 02.

 

[T4R2014]

So you didn't look into the history carefully while purchasing, but drove it without issue for all this time, and now that you know the history it has turned into a ticking time bomb in your eyes?

Settle the claim with the state (seller dishonesty is seller dishonesty) and keep driving like you never knew this.

 

[T4R2014]

I think there is a chance you got your terms reversed. It was my understanding that "Remanufacturing" was more thorough than "Rebuilding". When [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I purchased a "Remanned" transmission from Toyota, we were told this included renewing every movable part. The only thing that remains original is the housing. Rebuilding on the other hand was only replacing the parts that were worn out.

I just did a search on what the difference is between Rebuilding and Remanufacturing and from what I have found, I am correct that Remanufacturing is the much more thorough of the two and thus more expensive. But, I imagine these terms are swapped for one another on a regular basis. A shop might say they sell rebuilt engines but their process is actually more close to remanufacturing because they are replacing all the wear parts and bringing it as close to a brand new state as they can.

Not much to do with price. What sounds more promising on paper, rebuilt or remanufactured? Manufacturing sounds more like there is a systematic process behind it. You could rebuild an engine thoroughly by replacing all gaskets and machining and checking clearances etc etc. You could also have a remanufacturing facility do the same. But you could also have re manufacturing facilities that buy running junkyard engines, do pressure tests, some basic top end gaskets(china special parts might I add), throw some paint on the block and call it re manufactured.

It's just a bunch of legal definition baloney. Companies just need to cover their asses is all.

 

[jimmyrecluse]

So you didn't look into the history carefully while purchasing, but drove it without issue for all this time, and now that you know the history it has turned into a ticking time bomb in your eyes?

Settle the claim with the state (seller dishonesty is seller dishonesty) and keep driving like you never knew this.

Now you're assuming I believe it's a ticking timebomb.

It runs like a top. But I know that it is up there in mileage and with so much mileage there's more uncertainty. Given the use, I want to plan ahead rather than wait until I need to make a decision. Especially with it being boosted and armored.

 

[APhelps]

There is no such thing as a "Drop In" V8 motor swap for our rigs. You'll have alter the wiring harness which alone is a lot of research and tedious work. You'll have to make custom motor mounts. You'll have to reposition the transmission cross member. You'll have to make custom length driveshafts. You'll have to create a custom electric fan and fan shroud set-up. You'll need to alter the exhaust. You'll have to make custom AC lines. Lots and lots of work to do one of these right.

In regards to the 2UZ-FE swap I've been browsing for information and custom parts and stumble upon this shop.

North West Toys, LLC | Your 1UZ and Toyota Diesel Specialist

Apparently they have custom mounts that'll bolt to the block and the frame. Also a custom "bolt in / drop in" cross member. Likewise you can purchase the necessary cooling components and wiring harness (I'm sure you'll still need to splice a few wires).

Unfortunately Sing Toe's v8 thread is bit out of date photo wise but between his thread and your video there's still a lot of data available. I just wonder about Northwest Toys LLC products.

Wiring for me would be the easiest part of the project I'd hope (electrical engineer by trade) so sorting out some of the components that need to be welded is the harder part. Anyways I'm totally off-topic.

 

[VernySanders]

I think there is a chance you got your terms reversed. It was my understanding that "Remanufacturing" was more thorough than "Rebuilding". When [MENTION=102606]infamousRNR[/MENTION] and I purchased a "Remanned" transmission from Toyota, we were told this included renewing every movable part. The only thing that remains original is the housing. Rebuilding on the other hand was only replacing the parts that were worn out.

I just did a search on what the difference is between Rebuilding and Remanufacturing and from what I have found, I am correct that Remanufacturing is the much more thorough of the two and thus more expensive. But, I imagine these terms are swapped for one another on a regular basis. A shop might say they sell rebuilt engines but their process is actually more close to remanufacturing because they are replacing all the wear parts and bringing it as close to a brand new state as they can.

Yes correct. However it's not so cut and dry. It's a matter of grey area which people of course purchase warranties or purchase products that come with said warranties. When someone makes a call to run this part of that part because its "good" it's a grey area. Someone else might look at the same part and deem it bad. With that being said a manufacturer such as Toyota would have my trust 100%. With the purchase of a remanufactured product reputation is everything. I personally wouldn't walk into "Bill's engine rebuilds" shop and drop an engine off and say here ya go let me know how much. Nor would probably anyone on this forum. However, thankyou for the distinction. No disagreement here!

 

[VernySanders]

Not much to do with price. What sounds more promising on paper, rebuilt or remanufactured? Manufacturing sounds more like there is a systematic process behind it. You could rebuild an engine thoroughly by replacing all gaskets and machining and checking clearances etc etc. You could also have a remanufacturing facility do the same. But you could also have re manufacturing facilities that buy running junkyard engines, do pressure tests, some basic top end gaskets(china special parts might I add), throw some paint on the block and call it re manufactured.

It's just a bunch of legal definition baloney. Companies just need to cover their asses is all.

This is true, the remanufacturing space varies with quality as much as it varies with price! Buy cheap you get sketchy at best product. At my reman facility we sell "used reman units" in addition to fully reman units however 100% of components are used in the used units including bearings and only seals are new. Legally speaking a remanufactured product needs to contain at least a certain percentage of used and new parts to be considered, legally, remanufactured. The reason it's such a laid out in depth description is because there are a lot of brand new semi trucks with remanufactured parts in them, however the truck itself is still sold as a new truck so according to the law they had to set out and define what qualifies to go in those trucks and what doesnt. At the bare minimum though you're correct 100% that's why personally it all comes down to money and time like anything else. I have the time to sit down and learn and pay really close attention to the details. Does joe blow even care about my engine when hes "remanufacturing" it? I would say it's a 10% yes and 90% no. Depending on pay and passion lol. 10% care 90% slap stuff together and hope it passes dyno inspection

 

[plcfcng]

Jim it sounds like you have all you need to make the 4runner turn out the way you want to. Let us know how it turns out .:cheer2: