Rigid Halo Flashlight vs China Made CREE Knockoff

We came across this video the other day and thought it was a great comparison between the Rigid Industries HALO Torch (PN 30120) vs an identical looking "CREE" knockoff. This American made 800lumens (underrated) TORCH is the way to go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K4PlucTAnI

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Well the problem is I'd like to see what brand that "CREE" light really is and which LED unit and what generation CREE LED unit it is using vs. the RIGID brand. I mean I don't doubt the RIGID light at all, it's just the video stated none of the specifications.

As far as I know CREE is one of the major manufacturers of LED Units for many many applications, but there is not one singular LED unit. They make a TON of units of various intensities, not to mention "cheaper/knock-off" lights often use older generation LEDs.

I would not be surprised if CREE supplies RIGID who then uses them with their proprietary reflectors and such.
 
No doubt the Rigid is the better light. At probably 10x the price difference I'd hope it would be.
 
I bought a cheap Cree flashlight off ebay last year for about $20. It came with 2 rechargeable batteries, a 12v charger and an AC charger. Its super bright and works great. I'm happy with it.
 
i got one of those (ultrafire), works fine, its a cree xml-t6, for 30 bucks its good. then i saved up for a nitecore p25 , much more quality and have the modes i needed the most, even tho the ultrafire have 5 modes, i like the nitecore better.
 
Well the problem is I'd like to see what brand that "CREE" light really is and which LED unit and what generation CREE LED unit it is using vs. the RIGID brand. I mean I don't doubt the RIGID light at all, it's just the video stated none of the specifications.

As far as I know CREE is one of the major manufacturers of LED Units for many many applications, but there is not one singular LED unit. They make a TON of units of various intensities, not to mention "cheaper/knock-off" lights often use older generation LEDs.

I would not be surprised if CREE supplies RIGID who then uses them with their proprietary reflectors and such.


CREE is what the seller says is the "brand" - it probably does not use CREE LED and besides, not all LED (even within a brand) are equal. China light bars, flash lights etc normally use the rejects. CREE the company does not manufacture lights.

Rigid light bars are using more OSRAM LED lately.

No doubt the Rigid is the better light. At probably 10x the price difference I'd hope it would be.

88 vs 42 dollars. Double the cost, but also double the light & durability, and wont blow up in your hand.

i got one of those (ultrafire), works fine, its a cree xml-t6, for 30 bucks its good. then i saved up for a nitecore p25 , much more quality and have the modes i needed the most, even tho the ultrafire have 5 modes, i like the nitecore better.


For sure. Ultrafire is a funny story - they are copies of Surefire lights. They were good quality and fine being the knockoff (they even had some of there own designs) until people started knocking them off as well. The knockoff kockoffs have been known to explode in peoples hands.

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88 vs 42 dollars. Double the cost, but also double the light & durability, and wont blow up in your hand.

I followed the first link you posted up top with a price of $95 plus shipping of $12 to my state. Even at $88 plus shipping that equals $100.

For a comparison I did a quick search on eBay and found these two for $30 or $15 a piece.

2pcs 500 Meter 1000 Lumen Tactical CREE LED Rechargable Flashlight Torch Lamp US | eBay

Where did you get $42 from??
 
Our price for T4R members is 88 delivered, just shoot us a PM if you would like one. The price we had was from the original video poster, Im sure you can find a lot of cheap lights on Amazon.

Price isnt everything... Example, you could buy 4 of these for the price of your 4runner.

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Our price for T4R members is 88 delivered, just shoot us a PM if you would like one. The price we had was from the original video poster, Im sure you can find a lot of cheap lights on Amazon.

Price isnt everything... Example, you could buy 4 of these for the price of your 4runner.

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Yep, $88.00 delivered. Thank you sir, can't wait to get it.
 
I think that explosion was from using unprotected batteries.

I can't tell from looking at it if the battery is protected, but protected ones are usually a bit longer. The charger looks like a cheap Chinese model, so there's some risk of fire from that (either the charger itself could burn up, or more likely it could burn the battery). Plain 18650 cells are NOT meant to be used on their own like AA batteries. They need a protection circuit, and they are designed to be assembled into packs that provide protection and charging. Also, there's a lot of variation in quality of cells. I would trust a company like Panasonic, but there are a lot of no-name lithium batteries out there that are risky to use. It's not clear who makes the cells for Rigid batteries, but it looks like they put their own branding over them.

The flashlight itself doesn't look inherently different from the Chinese version. I guess I don't understand this product if it's new, because I've seen Chinese lights like that on the market for a while. Is this an American knockoff of a Chinese knockoff of a Chinese knockoff of a Surefire light? If it's "Designed, Engineered, & Assembled in the USA" can't they come up with an original design?

I've bought a few Chinese flashlights, and it's definitely hit or miss. I had one that ran on a single AA battery that was great, except for having flaky contacts. I've bought a couple since then that haven't been as good or didn't live up to expectations. It seems like a good way to select one is to figure out which Cree LED part number is good these days (such as XM-L) and look for lights that claim to use that part. You can get an idea of the typical lumens for a part, and vendors' lumen claims are useless. I buy flashlights direct from China on dx.com, and it's OK if you go into it with the right expectations. Namely, it will take about a month to arrive if you choose free shipping, and there's a good chance that whatever shows up will be junk for whatever reason (defective, doesn't meet specs, poor quality construction, etc) and go straight in the trash. Depending on what I want it might be worth the risk because most of the stuff on their is cheap enough. (It's a great place to get cheap cell phone cases.) But lately I've decided it's worth it to spend a bit more to get a reliable flashlight.

Cree is a reputable LED manufacturer in the US. People figured out that they made good LEDs for flashlights, so ones that listed a Cree part number were desirable. I guess that's evolved to Chinese companies putting the Cree name on their flashlights. They are probably using Chinese knockoffs of Cree LEDs by now, but for a while Cree was one of the only companies in the world making compact and very bright LEDs. Philips Lumileds, which makes Luxeon LEDs, was another one of the leaders in LED technology. But I don't keep up with the market any more, so I'm sure there are lots of reputable and Chinese knockoff companies making LEDs now.
 
The flashlight itself doesn't look inherently different from the Chinese version. I guess I don't understand this product if it's new, because I've seen Chinese lights like that on the market for a while.

I've bought a few Chinese flashlights, and it's definitely hit or miss.

Youve got that hit or miss thing right. Personally, I like to just do it once and know Im getting quality.

The Rigid Halo flashlight is not a new product, I should have mentioned that. Rigid has had these out for about 5-6 years and has made improvements since the first model.

Whats so interesting is while they look identical except for the logo, there is clearly a large performance difference between the real Rigid and the knockoff.
 
Cree is a reputable LED manufacturer in the US. People figured out that they made good LEDs for flashlights, so ones that listed a Cree part number were desirable. I guess that's evolved to Chinese companies putting the Cree name on their flashlights. They are probably using Chinese knockoffs of Cree LEDs by now, but for a while Cree was one of the only companies in the world making compact and very bright LEDs. Philips Lumileds, which makes Luxeon LEDs, was another one of the leaders in LED technology. But I don't keep up with the market any more, so I'm sure there are lots of reputable and Chinese knockoff companies making LEDs now.


Thats exactly what happened. People kept buying knockoff lightbars, the quality has always been sub-par but if you were getting CREE leds you thought you were buying better quality. Normally these manufacturers use two different LEDs in a similar product, implying that one is better than the other when in reality neither LED is what it claims to be and is on a crappy PCB. CREE became the go-to name.

As of Feb, CREE has moved all of its low value operations to China, and closed its LED factory in North Carolina, laying off 319 people in the process.

CREE LED to Lay Off 287 in North Carolina Today - Tacoma World Forums
 
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Damn, UPS just dropped off my new flashlight, That was some quick delivery. Out of the box it looks to be very well made, still charging so i have not tried it out yet, but will let you know what i think. The only down side i see, is dumb old me should have ordered a spare battery. LOL
 
Damn, UPS just dropped off my new flashlight, That was some quick delivery. Out of the box it looks to be very well made, still charging so i have not tried it out yet, but will let you know what i think. The only down side i see, is dumb old me should have ordered a spare battery. LOL

Just the way we like to delivery things!! Have a great weekend RedSled.
 
Damn, UPS just dropped off my new flashlight, That was some quick delivery. Out of the box it looks to be very well made, still charging so i have not tried it out yet, but will let you know what i think. The only down side i see, is dumb old me should have ordered a spare battery. LOL

So... How are you liking it?
 
So... How are you liking it?

Very nice product, well built, great light output, i am thinking about getting another one so the wife can have one to keep in her car. Hell if someone gives any crap all she has to do is shine this baby in there eyes, they won't be able to see for days. (Don't ask) :D so would i get the same deal?
 

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