rotella oil

[ryandc]

I've run T6 5W-40 in my BMW's for a decade.

My 318i made it to 300,000 miles before I sold it (for reasons unrelated to the oil). Engine was pristine and compression within 10% of factory spec when sold. The only other full-synthetic 5W-40's available around me are Delo and occasionally Mobil 1.

I put Mobil 1 in my Runner, but wouldn't hesitate to put Rotella T6 in there if I wanted to. My other car is a BMW 750Li with a (!) 9qt. capacity, so I always have a few half-empty / near-empty jugs of the stuff lying around. I stick to the M1 mostly because Autozone will occasionally have a Mobil 1 Oil + Filter sale.

 

[Scramble]

Chevron SAE $13.24 for a 5qt jug & a WIX filter...I'm good.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00M1Y2H0O?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00

 

[Roc Doc]

The big deal with the reduction of ZDDP levels in automotive engines has to do with flat tappet engines, and especially air cooled flat tappet engines like Harley Davidson and Porsches. My '86 911 was designed around using oil with higher ZDDP levels, and it also had a cat, and those engines were well known to go 300k or more without a rebuild.

Carry on.

 

[csp]

Has anyone addressed that fact that ZDDP levels dropped big time in diesel oils with the advent of the EPA's 2007 diesel emissions standards? This is when the SJ API rating came into effect as a result. The higher ZDDP oils were API SI and older.

There really isn't that much more ZDDP in diesel oils now and really the only advantage of additional ZDDP is for engines with flat tappet cams.

 

[RS Dude]

EXCEPT FOR THIS!! Diesel oil is made to a much lower standard. That is why it is cheaper. Diesel is a lubricant and diesel engines typically have much larger oil capacity. Running diesel oil in a gas engine is a terrible idea, and is one of those old wives tales that will never die.

This is retarded. I'm sure owners of $200,000 to $300,000 big rigs demand low quality oil because they need to save money.:toilet:

 

[T4R2014]

This is retarded. I'm sure owners of $200,000 to $300,000 big rigs demand low quality oil because they need to save money.:toilet:

His argument is that the larger oil capacities of these engines(not to mention larger filtration systems), allow for the use of these lesser quality oils. I see his argument, but it still isn't convincing me that a diesel oil is made to a lower standard. With that said, the VW and BMW diesels use oil capacities and filtration systems that are more similar to their petrol powered counterparts. I'm not sure if Rotella falls under their oil specs, but wouldn't that mean they use a lesser quality oil as well?

 

[RedSled]

Yup, I'm not sure why this is so hard. If it has the gas engine cert., its good to go. If it is only the diesel cert., then its not. I'm not hating on Rotella, just trying to squash the old wives tale that diesel oil is somehow better for your gas engine.

Ok, i have to eat some crow here. I contacted Shell and just got an e-mail back, they said T6 will work in the motor, but will cause damage to the cat. in the long run. :cry2:

 

[T5RUNNER]

His argument is that the larger oil capacities of these engines(not to mention larger filtration systems), allow for the use of these lesser quality oils. I see his argument, but it still isn't convincing me that a diesel oil is made to a lower standard. With that said, the VW and BMW diesels use oil capacities and filtration systems that are more similar to their petrol powered counterparts. I'm not sure if Rotella falls under their oil specs, but wouldn't that mean they use a lesser quality oil as well?

Well, that's not really what I said. The high capacity on big rigs is what allows for very long change intervals. The lower compressive strength and different additives of diesel oil are perfect for diesel engines, just not for gas engines.

 

[T5RUNNER]

This is retarded. I'm sure owners of $200,000 to $300,000 big rigs demand low quality oil because they need to save money.:toilet:

Bentleys cost $300k, do they suggest diesel oil? Nope. Your logic is retarded.

I posted reasoning and data to back it up. I give up. Diesel oil is the best for everything. Fry a turkey with it. Smear it in your dreadlocks. I don't care.

 

[AZBub]

This thread is like trying to get a Trump supporter to vote for Hillary.

 

[T5RUNNER]

I'd rather have diesel oil for president than either of them. Maybe I will write in Shell Rotela on my ballot.

 

[Bstrom]

High Mileage is just a marketing term. I'm not going to pay a premium on these products just for that, but if it is a superior product which is marketed under that name, I don't mind buying it. For example, Maxlife ATF is a high mileage product that is well-regarded.

I just did an oil change with the HM Maxlife Blend - first time I've EVER used a Valvoline oil. Going on recommendations here. Claims made support its use on vehicles nearing the 200k mark. Have no idea what to expect but the '03 Tundra has 174k miles and doesn't burn any yet. If it cleans things up, great but as a blend i don't expect anything per se.

If any issues arise I'll probably go to Rotella T6 - used that stuff for a long while in my motorcycles.

 

[AZPartsGuy]

Things that make 4Runner owners angry:

1: Oil
2: Swaybar End Links (did we come to a consensus on this yet?)
3: Non-OEM LBJs

You're an interesting crowd, which is why I continue to lurk here all the time

When it comes to this particular subject, honestly there are 2 things that matter when it comes to oil: WEIGHT and CONSISTENCY OF CHANGE. That's mostly it. We can argue until the cows come home about detergents and this and that, but really just change your oil with the correct weight for your region at a reasonable interval and there should be no problems.

Diesel oil supposedly has more detergents and such because burnt diesel particulates work their way past the piston rings into the crank case (where oil lives). Can you use it in a 4Runner? I'm sure you can. Will it do anything special? Probably not.

That's just, like, my opinion man.

 

[AZBub]

I'd rather have diesel oil for president than either of them. Maybe I will write in Shell Rotela on my ballot.

I'm convinced at this point my choices are either Chewbacca or ALF.......or maybe just Robert Dukakis's eyebrows.

 

[Roc Doc]

Things that make 4Runner owners angry:

1: Oil
2: Swaybar End Links (did we come to a consensus on this yet?)
3: Non-OEM LBJs

You're an interesting crowd, which is why I continue to lurk here all the time

When it comes to this particular subject, honestly there are 2 things that matter when it comes to oil: WEIGHT and CONSISTENCY OF CHANGE. That's mostly it. We can argue until the cows come home about detergents and this and that, but really just change your oil with the correct weight for your region at a reasonable interval and there should be no problems.

Diesel oil supposedly has more detergents and such because burnt diesel particulates work their way past the piston rings into the crank case (where oil lives). Can you use it in a 4Runner? I'm sure you can. Will it do anything special? Probably not.

That's just, like, my opinion man.

The Dude,

Agree. Most forums get the most discussion on the easiest stuff, wax, oil, tire choice, etc. There are real builders out there, but most people are too afraid, or won't take the time to develop the skills to do anything other than pay what their mechanic recommends. :blabla:

 

[csp]

The lower compressive strength and different additives of diesel oil are perfect for diesel engines, just not for gas engines.

I haven't seen any numbers from SJ rated oils, but the shear is most likely much higher than a gasoline rated oil, not lower. Many modern diesels fire the injectors hydraulically using the engine oil as hydraulic fluid. We're talking 15-20,000 psi here.

 

[subwayrocket]

You might not like to hear this, but oil is oil. There is conventional, and there is "synthetic," and thats it. It all meets the same standard, and the tiny differences are just marketing.

EXCEPT FOR THIS!! Diesel oil is made to a much lower standard. That is why it is cheaper. Diesel is a lubricant and diesel engines typically have much larger oil capacity. Running diesel oil in a gas engine is a terrible idea, and is one of those old wives tales that will never die.

I ran T6 Rotella in all my offroad race bikes for the case oil. 2 smokers: YZ125, YZ250 , KTM200, KTM250 , KTM300 . Ran it for many years after seeing some of the pro guys using it. This was in higher rpm dirt bike engines, running endurance races mostly 2hr, some 3hr and some from 8am-3pm ...along with training and then breaking down the engines periodically. T6 Rotella did better than the recommended bel ray or other name brands I previously used.
Also ran Rotella T6 in the atv, honda mower and all my XJ Cherokees. Wondered about using it in my 4runner and commuter Hyundai car . It did very well in everything i've ever ran in.

 

[AZBub]

Ohh god you woke a sleeping dragon


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[jgue467]

...I ran T6 Rotella in all my offroad race bikes ...
T6 Rotella did better than the recommended bel ray or other name brands I previously used.
Also ran Rotella T6 in the atv, honda mower and all my XJ Cherokees. Wondered about using it in my 4runner and commuter Hyundai car . It did very well in everything i've ever ran in.

It's very good cleaning oil (since it's meant to work on the dirtiest of engines) and is satisfactory for non-diesels (says so on packaging) EXCEPT for catalytic exhaust engines, that would include our beloved 4Runners.

OK - now bury this post.

Luck and enjoy. :cowboy:

 

[19963.4lsr5]

I ran it in the 96 4Runner and my Saturn that burned 1qt every 1000 miles. Saturn had 80,000 on the cat running the T6 and no problems. It got T boned or I'd still be driving it.


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