Safari snorkel on a 5th gen?

Yes, one way in... one way out.. It's an old creek-bed... It probably happened in a spot like this... The trail has about 20 tight off camber squeeze spots. Not that unusual on technical trails, but not ideal for 5th gen.. (Jeeps and anything with wide tires outside the body will more or less self correct....) Snorkel makes them all a bigger challenge. I've done the trail 5-10 times without ever having an issue. But this was first time with the snorkel and I guess I was over confident....

I feel the same. Haven't dented mine yet but I think the added girth will get me one of these times. I'm guessing it will happen when I run the con again. There are more than one tight squeeze spots that probably just will get me. Good to see it could pop out ok and that bed lining works ok too.
 
Good input. Seems this snorkel thing isn't going to help the guys who do the type of trails you do. A damage multiplier of sorts. I've been following this snorkel thing casually but curious, why did you personally add one? I know you push the fiver gen pretty hard, more than 99.9% on here so I'm genuinely curious as to your motives for putting this on. I get the whole cleaner air filter thing...and the guys who want a Aussie style overlander but I can buy a lot of filters for $550 and the damage you had is what worried me the most honestly as here in Oregon, our trials get tight with rocks and trees.

Was thinking the same thing. I know a lot of people on here mention running this for cleaner air and don't really plan on fording deep water (probably a good idea in a vehicle that is most likely a daily driver for everyone and has carpet, electronics, etc.). For the cost of this snorkel you can buy a lot of air filters and don't have to cut a hole in your fender. If you're going on a long dusty trip take a couple of extra filters and swap out during the trip.
 
Good input. Seems this snorkel thing isn't going to help the guys who do the type of trails you do. A damage multiplier of sorts. I've been following this snorkel thing casually but curious, why did you personally add one? I know you push the fiver gen pretty hard, more than 99.9% on here so I'm genuinely curious as to your motives for putting this on. I get the whole cleaner air filter thing...and the guys who want a Aussie style overlander but I can buy a lot of filters for $550 and the damage you had is what worried me the most honestly as here in Oregon, our trials get tight with rocks and trees.

Well, while I do a lot of fooling around type wheeling... I also deal with massive amounts of chalky dust at times. Once you go to an aftermarket bumper with high clearance (like I have). The amount of dust that goes straight into the intake is multiplied substantially. It's like having a low hanging scoop shooting dust right in. It was to the point where I had to run a different filter to get home...

I knew the snorkel would eventually takes some scrapes (just not this soon) and I thought the fender would hold up to it and I would just have scrapes on the snorkel.

Overall. The snorkel is very well constructed and should withstand a pretty good beat down. It's just missing one attachment point that would help the fender hold up to more mistakes IMHO.

Knowing what I know now... I probably would have been better off spending my time fabricating a better fender liner to keep some of the dust out. Oh well... Live and learn. May eventually go to glass fenders anyway.

Overall, it did not seem to get in the way while wheeling, but.. it obviously did.
 
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Add more weight to a vehicle, know how it affects gas mileage, handling, and braking distances.

Add front and rear bumpers and prepare to compensate for added length.

Add a snorkel and understand that it bumps out a bit and you have to be more cautious not to hit it.

However if it was made too fragile, people would have complained. Sheet metal is going to give if you hit it as there is a void between snorkel and more sheet metal. More attachment points won't prevent metal from deforming if you hit it hard.

Carrying 9 engine filters would have been both cost prohibitive and silly for a place like Baja. I looked at engine filters each day, from the Raptors, Jeeps, and Tundra, and each day most of them became clogged to the point of being un-usable. Most shook them out each day to avoid replacing them entirely. We had sand deposits in the bottom of the airbox, but our air filter was pretty clean all things considered at the end of the trip.

These snorkels are designed and manufactured by a company who's primary customer base doesn't "wheel" recreationally, they use their vehicles to cross wide swaths of continents like Australia, Asia, and Africa, where the primary mission is to ensure the vehicle and it's occupants get from point A to point B intact. To say that people should be warned about this product inducing damage is like going to Calico and whacking your roof rack on the arch/squeeze, and declaring a crushed roof (which happens out there regularly) a sign that a roof rack is a damage multiplier. Anything is a damage multiplier if you hit it. My snorkel actually held my passenger fender together in a way that my driver side did not when I basically lawndarted my truck on the way to Guerro Negro.

You made a mistake, and got off pretty light by the looks of it thanks to a good PDR dude.
 
Man, that was a good one. I rubbed mine on a tree a couple of weeks ago and just ended up with some wood and sap transfer. It actually saved me from doing a number on my folded in mirror.
 
Add more weight to a vehicle, know how it affects gas mileage, handling, and braking distances.

Add front and rear bumpers and prepare to compensate for added length.

Add a snorkel and understand that it bumps out a bit and you have to be more cautious not to hit it.

However if it was made too fragile, people would have complained. Sheet metal is going to give if you hit it as there is a void between snorkel and more sheet metal. More attachment points won't prevent metal from deforming if you hit it hard.

Carrying 9 engine filters would have been both cost prohibitive and silly for a place like Baja. I looked at engine filters each day, from the Raptors, Jeeps, and Tundra, and each day most of them became clogged to the point of being un-usable. Most shook them out each day to avoid replacing them entirely. We had sand deposits in the bottom of the airbox, but our air filter was pretty clean all things considered at the end of the trip.

These snorkels are designed and manufactured by a company who's primary customer base doesn't "wheel" recreationally, they use their vehicles to cross wide swaths of continents like Australia, Asia, and Africa, where the primary mission is to ensure the vehicle and it's occupants get from point A to point B intact. To say that people should be warned about this product inducing damage is like going to Calico and whacking your roof rack on the arch/squeeze, and declaring a crushed roof (which happens out there regularly) a sign that a roof rack is a damage multiplier. Anything is a damage multiplier if you hit it. My snorkel actually held my passenger fender together in a way that my driver side did not when I basically lawndarted my truck on the way to Guerro Negro.

You made a mistake, and got off pretty light by the looks of it thanks to a good PDR dude.

There is a lot of room for improvement in the way this snorkel attaches to the fender. Iterations based on feedback from use in the field are what usually result in better solutions. That was my only reason for posting. I have no ulterior motive. More attachment points will spread the load better and strengthen the underlying structure. The snorkel is very rigid, the fender is very flimsy once the void is present. Pretty much common sense to anyone familiar with fabrication or body work... I am.

Maybe it is already perfection as is.... Your call....

I'll repeat one more time for clarity... one more attachment point would make a world of difference for fender durability in my opinion. I plan to do some tape in that area myself once I find some that seems up to the job... Mechanical attachment would be better, but not sure it is worth the effort to modify the snorkel.
 
Ill step in and say thank you for sharing your experience and thoughts, no idea if an another attachment point would have helped but at the very least it showed how well the damage can be taken care of if it happens.

While you have admitted and others have said you made a "mistake" I wouldn't go that far - its part of the game. No one ripped (well maybe they did) Lawndart for running balls out in the dessert and breaking things then wanting to upgrade to a raptor because they are better built for that....nothing wrong with him sharing his thoughts and experiences but one could argue he beat on the truck(mistake) far more then designed and when things broke called them out which I think is a healthy perspective for the forum to see these things in use/beat to the point of failure.

now the guys who post about mileage decreasing after a lift ,rack and larger tires......:whip:
 
Looking great everyone! Even though I do not have the Safari version, I can honestly say that the snorkel does indeed create a whole bunch of conversations, looks and pointing!
If only they knew the pucker factor when cutting the fender! Those of you waiting for yours, and worried about the cutting.... You will feel so accomplished after! It's kinda like having a baby.. You will soon forget the pain, and focus on the amazing love and proud moments from that point on, so much so you may want to install another!
 
Looking great everyone! Even though I do not have the Safari version, I can honestly say that the snorkel does indeed create a whole bunch of conversations, looks and pointing!
If only they knew the pucker factor when cutting the fender! Those of you waiting for yours, and worried about the cutting.... You will feel so accomplished after! It's kinda like having a baby.. You will soon forget the pain, and focus on the amazing love and proud moments from that point on, so much so you may want to install another!

I'm totally stealing this rationale for when I need to buy one and cut the fenders. I'm sure my wife will understand when I mention it this way.
 
I'm totally stealing this rationale for when I need to buy one and cut the fenders. I'm sure my wife will understand when I mention it this way.

I'm not sure if I would make a childbirth comparison to my significant other. I would expect a punch in the crotch
 
Has anyone noticed a difference in performance, sound, etc? Positive or negative.

Road performance is the same. I believe you get a bit of the air scoop effect, but compensating it by increase of the drag. It is very well designed, even on the highway, I don't hear it. As of the engine sound, it's not affecting it, you'll get noticible sound change when you install aFe or TED CAI, but not the snorkel itself.
Meanwhile raising your air intake point gives you better, less dusty and colder air as well as ability to go through water without worrying, to certain point, hydrolocking the engine.
 
I'll go ahead and say it. 99% of us install it 'cuz chicks dig snorkels!

.......and, Overland, bro!!!!
 
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I'll go ahead and say it. 99% of us install it 'cuz chicks dig snorkels!

.......and, Overland, bro!!!!

There's also crazy people like me that have an irrational paranoia about water crossings. I freak out at about 6" of water. Haha
 
Fender liner and molding snaps

Here are the part numbers I used to replace the snaps I broke when removing the fender flare and liner:

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(Note, the black gasket is not required and one of the orange part numbers doesn't have the gasket but was the same price as the one that had it)

I broke about 11 of ~14 black ones, 1 of ~6 to 8 blue ones, and 1 of ~4 to 6 orange ones but I could be wrong about the total quantities of each color so it might be a good idea to check inventory at your local stealership before embarking on the snorkel install if you can't afford vehicle down time while you wait. (Or you can order these online, get some generics at a parts store, etc.)
Also, I did not remove the snaps that attach to the front bumper cover. Rather, I just let it sag from that point and I could get full access to the inner fender cavity.

And finally, that template was spot on.
 

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