Scratches on my black Runner after winter, how to fix to blend in the best?

Fixing scratches

Lets face it, removing scratches is a job best left to professionals. However, it is a skill that can be learned in a short period of time. Ideally you should learn on a vehicle with less than perfect paint.

I would suggest getting a rotary buffer (aka high speed). Makita makes a great variable speed unit for about $250. If you shop the auto body supply stores you can get a 3M kit included. The system is called "perfect it 3" it consists of a foam pad, compound, and a hard plastic backing plate which threads onto the buffer's shaft. The buffing pad attaches to the backing plate via velcro

The 3M system uses a compound that will work extremely well at removing scratches without swirling. The system was developed to be used after newly applied paint has been sanded. On cured factory paint I'd recommend starting with the buffer set at low speed. (I think mine has a low setting of 500rpm). Once you get the feel for it you can increase the speed.

The key to avoid burning through the finish is to keep the surface "wet" with compound. As a fine dust develops, it is time to reapply more compound. Keep the buffer moving back and forth with the pad as flat as possible as you follow the contour of the panel. Never stop moving the buffer back and forth when contacting the paint surface. From my experience, the only way to do damage is to buff at prolonged high speeds or catch a corner at high speed.

There are 2 types of pads to use. The white is for cutting (scratch removal) and black is for glazing. Glaze is used after compound to remove any micro abrasions that remain and gives the paint a higher level of gloss.

I will be doing some scratch removal this spring, it looks like some donkey in the parking lot got me on the door and I scratched the hood with a snow scraper. I'll post some pix on the process. If done properly, most scratches will be removed and other deep scratches can be improved to near invisible.

Note in the first pic below the compound has a wool pad which would cut more agressively.

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I've used Scratch-X before. It works very well on fine scratches. Scratches like ones near door handles will disappear with Scratch-X. Granted it didn't remove all the scratches there from over 10 years of owning the car, but the majority were gone. This 13 year old car got backed into and there were paint transfer from the other car. I put some Scratch-X on a napkin, buffed, and it removed a lot of the paint and scuffing from the damaged/contact area.

I would say, think of Scratch-X like a less abrasive, high tech rubbing compound that is safe for today's cars and paint finishes. Scratch-X will not fix scratches that have gouged into the paint (i.e. paint that's keyed, etc.). IMO, Scratch-X works as advertised (of course, with reasonable expectations).

But as mentioned, not all damages to the finish can done by DIYer's. Some of it, is best left up to a pro.
 
Re: Fixing scratches

rook said:

I would suggest getting a rotary buffer (aka high speed). Makita makes a great variable speed unit for about $250


I would get a random orbital buffer before a rotary. A rotary is a bit much for the casual user and can damage paint. It is for buffing out extreme problems, not frequent use.

A random orbital is for maintaining paint (polish + wax) every couple of months. More agressive pads and polishing compounds with the orbital will remove bad scratches.

If you can't get it out with a random orbital, find a detailer with a rotary. The scratch probably needs wet sanding. If your entire vehicle is really bad, a rotary may be a good investment, if you want to do it yourself.
 
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Black vehicles must be carefully hand washed ONLY. Anything else will cause fine scratches. DO NOT GO THRU AUTO CAR WASHES!

Koz
 
And do not off-road them, otherwise you'll scratch it even more ;):
If you do off-road, carwash scratches are not counting.

But I agreed with Koz - best way to maintain shine on black is hand wash and polish, and careful driving.
 
I will try the Scratch-X as I don't see myself getting a rotary buffer for a couple of scratches. Only one is really noticeable, which is on the door. The others are on the back hatch towards the bottom. I only saw them as I opened it up one day. No one has confirmed that the Scratch-X is only temporary though. Anyone else have any thoughts?
 
Re: Re: Fixing scratches

Bluto said:
I would get a random orbital buffer before a rotary. A rotary is a bit much for the casual user and can damage paint. It is for buffing out extreme problems, not frequent use.

I disagree. Having used both, a rotary can be used for any type of paint issue. The variable speed allows for the user to control how agressive the action of the buffer will be. The pads available are made of soft foam and do not damage paint. Orbitals are good for restoring gloss without swirling. However, to remove scratches, the compounds typically used with an orbital contain grit which will really cut into the clearcoat.
 
scott78945 said:
I will try the Scratch-X as I don't see myself getting a rotary buffer for a couple of scratches. Only one is really noticeable, which is on the door. The others are on the back hatch towards the bottom. I only saw them as I opened it up one day. No one has confirmed that the Scratch-X is only temporary though. Anyone else have any thoughts?

Be careful with Scratch-X (VERY abrasive) and rotary buffer. You will be taking off finish. I would try to get the scratches out with the least abrasive product as possible. Do your homework before buffing the shit out of it!

Koz
 
No, I don't play on using the rotary buffer with the Scratch-X at all. I will just be using my hand for that. If I do need to get something then I will be getting an orbital buffer then.
 
I tried out the Scratch-X this weekend and it didn't work too well. It lightened up the scratches but by no means did it get rid of them. I guess I will now go up to the 3M product and try that. The Scratch-X was great for some swirls that I had and very very very fine scratches but not for what I needed it for. Just and FYI...
 
scott78945 said:
I tried out the Scratch-X this weekend and it didn't work too well. It lightened up the scratches but by no means did it get rid of them. I guess I will now go up to the 3M product and try that. The Scratch-X was great for some swirls that I had and very very very fine scratches but not for what I needed it for. Just and FYI...

Thanks for the info Scott. here's what I found on the 3M website:


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Re: Re: Re: Fixing scratches

rook said:
I disagree. Having used both, a rotary can be used for any type of paint issue. The variable speed allows for the user to control how agressive the action of the buffer will be. The pads available are made of soft foam and do not damage paint. Orbitals are good for restoring gloss without swirling. However, to remove scratches, the compounds typically used with an orbital contain grit which will really cut into the clearcoat.

A rotary can be used for any paint work and achieve better results .... by an experienced and knowledgeable user. The softest foam pad will still burn an edge. A rotary is a fine detailing tool, but not the first tool everyone should buy.
 

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