Seafoam in Crankcase...Bad? Good?

Foghorn

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Ok, I'm the FNG here and I'm sure this has been beat to death but since I've never tried it, and I know many of you guys have, will this stop up the oil delivery system??
I've searched the web and this forum as well as Yotatech.com etc. I've seen lots of conflicting info regarding use of Seafoam in the crankcase so the question is:
Can adding Seafoam to the crankcase before an oil change cause oil flow problems?
 
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The instructions used to say something like 1.5oz per 1quart of oil in the engine, then drive no more than 100mi before your oil change with it in the crankcase.

I did it once to my 4Runner and didn't notice any problems, I can't see how well it cleaned out the engine from just one use; but it seemed like it may have helped? Either way, it won't do any harm if you follow the instructions.
 
I have never understood the risk to benefit justification of putting something besides motor oil inside your engine... It's a waste of time and money as they have no scientific proof to backup any of the outlandish claims.... It's a lot like the diet and fishing lure industry in this regard, it's meant to catch the consumer, not actually work for its advertised purpose as there is no regulatory body to enforce the claims.
 
I put a few ounces and let it run a few hundred miles. Only do it once right after owning the truck. I notice the oil is darker when changing oil. I do it to clean possible sludge. Can't say for sure if it helps.
 
I've done it once. Can't say it did anything, although I've considered doing it again. But really it's a pita because I don't want anybody to think my cars on fire or something with the smoke it blows. Also for all I know it's just a liquid that turns into a shit ton of smoke when run through an engine and has nothing to do with cleaning at all.
 
Yeah...that's about what I thought too. The reason I've considered it is that I got the truck last week with about 89000 miles on it. From the looks of things it was well maintained but you never know. Although the guy says he changed the oil every 3000 (sure, what else would he say...) for all I know it could have been every 6000. I'm not crazy about putting additives in either but so many people seem to swear by this stuff and I really would like to be able to clean out any carbon, sludge etc. before I begin a ridge LOF schedule.
 
Yeah...that's about what I thought too. The reason I've considered it is that I got the truck last week with about 89000 miles on it. From the looks of things it was well maintained but you never know. Although the guy says he changed the oil every 3000 (sure, what else would he say...) for all I know it could have been every 6000. I'm not crazy about putting additives in either but so many people seem to swear by this stuff and I really would like to be able to clean out any carbon, sludge etc. before I begin a ridge LOF schedule.

I wouldn't sweat it, just start a maintenance schedule you're comfortable with using products you feel good about. Can't change the past, ya know?...
 
I wouldn't sweat it, just start a maintenance schedule you're comfortable with using products you feel good about. Can't change the past, ya know?...

This is a good perspective, and could be said for any car owner. Who the hell knows what really has been done to your car before you owned it? There's only so much you can do. Yes, some maint records may be more legit than others and actually reflect proper care. But, who's to say that even that 4Runner that came off the assembly line new didnt have a turd fired off into the crankcase by an assembly line worker on his last day? While I'm mostly kidding, nobody really knows what has/has not been done so the best you can do is care for it properly once you do own it.
 
Very true...can't change the past, so I guess the best approach is like you say, regular maintenance with quality products. Gonna change the oil today...Castrol GTX conventional and OEM YZZD3 filter.
 
For information and experience regarding Seafoam in the crankcase, please search this site for "Why Seafoam is BAD!!" and read the postings placed on that thread by me.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/general-discussions/159663-why-seafoam-bad.html

Do you have any pictures of the bearings, inner surfaces of the engine, pick-up tube, and other components such as the cylinderhead and so on? Typically what I see happen is that people try to fix a severely sludged up engine with a product like Seafoam or say BG's EPR and essentially clean the engine too well too fast. I wouldn't say it is the fault of the product itself as BG's EPR says specifically not to use it in severely sludged engines (I'm not sure if Seafoam has updated their packaging.)


If I recall the 5VZ-FE was prone to sludging if not well maintained (though no where near as bad as Toyota's historic 3.0L & 3.3L engines. The problem is these products work very well, I usually use Seafoam to decarbon piston tops or clean up GDI intake ports. Unless you're planning on doing one or more oil changes, filter changes, and possibly dropping the oil pan back to back; you really shouldn't be trying to run something like Seafoam in the crankcase. I ran Seafoam once in the crankcase of my 2UZ-FE after I got it, mostly to make sure I cleaned up the inside a bit before putting in good synthetic oil; it didn't hurt anything really, but I'm not sure how well it helped to be honest. I ran it about 50~100mi before my oil change and haven't had any issues since. But I have seen some horror stories in terms of sludge; most of them are due to poor maintenance practices. I normally don't recommend people use Seafoam as anything more than a fuel treatment, because it does really well in that respect and it's also because sludge is a tricky thing to deal with. I'm not saying don't use it, just be cautious and consider maybe doing more than one oil change and/or check the oil pan/pick-up. Sludge doesn't always show up as thick goo, sometimes its semi-crumbly charcoal like substance that can make this nasty paste.

That being said, at the dealership we're using a similar BG EPR product that is run in the engine for 10~15minutes before draining the oil and changing it. So far we haven't had any issues with it destroying an engine and we've been running it in hundreds of cars regularly for almost a year now.

A while back we had a parts truck Tundra with the 5VZ-FE that had HORRIBLE sludge in it (the filter stud backs off on those engines sometimes when they get high mileage and leaks at the oil filter. The engine had been run with about 1~1.5qts of oil for a month and I'm surprised it didn't seize at all. I told our parts manager that we could try to de-sludge it via EPR, but chances are the engine would probably be toast; she okay'd the use of EPR (against the warning not to use it in a severely sludged engine, per my suggestion as a Hail Mary.) Ran two cans of the stuff for about 30min, drained the oil twice (that stuff looked blacker and as nasty as diesel oil.) Filled it up and was shocked that the oil not only was practically still new after a 10mile test drive up a extremely steep hill behind our dealership (including engine braking as I wanted to load up the engine in case it was on the edge of failing,) but that oil pressure was fine, engine didn't hiccup, and that the vehicle was pretty damn clean under there. Fast forward almost a year and it's still running strong. So to reiterate I used twice the recommended amount, in a severely sludged engine, for twice the recommended length of time, and it did not blow up (the BG EPR is supposed to actually be stronger than Seafoam as it is designed specifically for crankcase cleaning.) Was it a lucky fluke? Most likely, I was expecting the engine to be unsalvagable (with 300k+ and that much sludge, I figured it'd throw a rod or just need to be rebuilt); but it ran okay.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I actually agree that if your engine is severely sludged, simply using Seafoam in the crankcase and then doing a plain oil change may not be a wise decision. I'm just providing a counter point to your experience based on an empirical test I did (to be honest I was itching to really push that EPR stuff to the max for a while because I wasn't sure it really did anything) and the results I got. Sludge is a very tricky condition to deal with in extremely high mileage or neglected engines. I'd think of it as an avalanche waiting to happen. If it's the snow on your roof, not a big deal to let it roll and clean it up (mildly sludged/dirty engines,) it's when it's big enough to swallow the whole house that you may not want to poke it.
 
Cutting the oil filter open and examining it’s contents might give some indications of the sludge cleaning. An Eye Looking in the oil fill hole on my Neighbor’s V6 Camry would have shown some results.

Using a scope used to examine valves through the spark plug holes on Small Air Plane’s Safety Inspections could possibly show a lot in the valve covers, oil pan and oil strainer. I have seen oil strainers with mesh blocked and sucked up due to sludge and gasket materials from poor repairs and sludge.

A good S/W oil pressure gauge vs a light would probably show a difference Good or Bad after a good cleaning. The gauges showed when I added STP to my 70s VW Engines Battling TX Heat. Plus, it showed the oil pressure to be improved the 3,000 miles vs breaking down.
 
After I bought mine, I planned on converting it to AMSOIL and I used there Engine flush beforehand. Maybe went a little overboard, but I hand 6 qts of conventional leftover so I needed to use them up. I drained the oil and filled with the conventional I had, added AMSOIL's flush and a new filter. Ran it for 20 min at about idle, and immediately drained it, then chaged to AMSOIL synthetic. I wasn't sure what to expect, however the oil did seem quite a bit thicker and cloudier than I thought it would be for 20 minutes old. Engine had 72,000 miles on it. The oil filter did seem heavy also. So I do think it did clean some sludge out. Here is a link if you would like to read about AMSOIL Engine and Transmission Flush, there are also some pre/post pictures.

AMSOIL Engine and Transmission Flush
 
I was curious on how effective the Anti-Drain-Back was on our 2001 Camry and cut one open. I feel they would be this effective on the inverted V6 4Runner as on the Camry (Attached and Not Bad. I also feel if you have used chemicals to remove sludge you would see signs in the cut filter.

What got my attention was how dark oil can be after 6 mo in a container but look cln on the stick. Changing your own oil, observing directly on site and involved can help you monitor your engine, IMO! Such as, I was glad to see the 30 ft lbs of torque on the drain plug posted vs the 36 ft lbs I saw in my Haynes Manual (for the 2001 Camry) that matched my “Old School’s” feel.

I changed per 6 mo due to the Warr 5,000 mi or 6 mo. Initially I felt bad changing 5-30 Castrol Blend at 6 mo and approx 1,000 mi until I saw the color. I plan to go back to my 3,000 mi or once a yr now the warranty has ended (“opinions”).
 

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I've used on mine V8 once. Oil was super black after I drained it. What I've noticed is my oil is still gold color now after 3000 kilometers
 
Gold looking on the “Dip Stick” as my oil looks. Is it gold looking in a container when you change it? As dark as my oil is at 1,000 I hate to think what it would look like at 5,000

I found the gold look on the dip stick during my purchase and since. The oil drain plug during my inspections after the purchase shows the darker looking oil and a mess (around a tight plug). Approx 2,000 mi the plug was still cln and I feel I torqued it but d/n document.

I took the truck down to inspect all that I felt was reasonable to inspect. Plus to verify the list of inspections they showed to Factory Certify the truck. This gave me a ref point at to where the truck was (after a morning of inspections. All looked as replaced or checked except the spark plugs were not changed at 35,000. They were when requested due to the scheduled Maint vs needed. I found all rotors turned and new pads, all new tires, new eng oil, air filter and Etc as their list showed. I ck rear-end oil and for any noticeable damages, leaks and Etc under the truck and engine area until I was “Tires and Satisfied” LOL!
 

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Just read all this AFTER dumping 1/2 can of Seafoam down the oil filler tube.

Ran approx 100 miles and changed the oil. For the fun of it, I poured the used oil through a paper filter: some fine silt was observed, no big chunks or anything.

Not the dramatic results I was hoping for, but an interesting science experiment.
 
Just read all this AFTER dumping 1/2 can of Seafoam down the oil filler tube.

Ran approx 100 miles and changed the oil. For the fun of it, I poured the used oil through a paper filter: some fine silt was observed, no big chunks or anything.

Not the dramatic results I was hoping for, but an interesting science experiment.

I wouldn't expect too much chunks or large portions, the idea behind the Seafoam in the oil or a product like BG's EPR is to break down the carbon and have it in solution in the oil. If you had "chunks" those would be more likely to clog up the pick-up screen and cause problems.
 

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