Secondary Air Injection Pump Failure on V8's! Important!

Happy to report my boy is doing very well. Thanks!

As for the fix:

I got the relay from slyfox75 on this forum. Can't recall but somewhere in the ballpark of $50.

The block off plates came from paul hewitt, here:

Air Induction Pump Bypass Module - AIP Valve Bypass

I think they were around $60.

Paul has a full kit too, but it is much more $$$ than the one SlyFox75 has.

Good luck!
 
Happy to report my boy is doing very well. Thanks!

As for the fix:

I got the relay from slyfox75 on this forum. Can't recall but somewhere in the ballpark of $50.

The block off plates came from paul hewitt, here:

Air Induction Pump Bypass Module - AIP Valve Bypass

I think they were around $60.

Paul has a full kit too, but it is much more $$$ than the one SlyFox75 has.

Good luck!



Thanks man! and Glad to hear about the boy! This is a last resort option for me.. However It is an option! I have a badly screwed up a shoulder that takes all the enjoyment out of working on my truck myself and makes it painful. So, either way if it comes down to it, ill probably have someone help me out. but none the less.. Thanks again.

-According to Toyota corp it is out of warranty for even the emissions stuff on This vehicle specifically. Not the Tundra or Sequoia, Anymore. Because they extended it to 150,000 miles on those models for this specific issue.
Even though, 4runners have the exact same issue with the same parts.


*Will update further when I go back to the dealer again.
 
Thanks man! and Glad to hear about the boy! This is a last resort option for me.. However It is an option! I have a badly screwed up a shoulder that takes all the enjoyment out of working on my truck myself and makes it painful. So, either way if it comes down to it, ill probably have someone help me out. but none the less.. Thanks again.

-According to Toyota corp it is out of warranty for even the emissions stuff on This vehicle specifically. Not the Tundra or Sequoia, Anymore. Because they extended it to 150,000 miles on those models for this specific issue.
Even though, 4runners have the exact same issue with the same parts.



*Will update further when I go back to the dealer again.

[MENTION=90674]dinnertime[/MENTION]
 
Have you looked at and read this TSB? It explains how water intrusion is the culprit.
TSB-0329-08

What's interesting is Toyota of Canada released a TSB 11/28/2012 for this problem on the 4Runner. It did not extend the warranty but it outlined the proper diagnosis and repair for this problem.
 
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Please explain how you know it isn't the same issue. And why Toyota would cover the repair cost for some 4runners and not others.
 
Please explain how you know it isn't the same issue. And why Toyota would cover the repair cost for some 4runners and not others.


I'll tell you right now not to waste any more energy in trying to Toyota to cover this. They might do a goodwill gesture to where you either pay for parts or labor. The dealer personnel is hand tied when it comes to trying to give an answer on why some models are covered and some not. Have it fixed or do the repair as Dinnertime suggested.
This is not a safety related item. In other words NHTSA is not going to force Toyota into doing a recall. If that was the case Ford would have had to recall a heck of a lot if 4.6 and 5,4 engines for the spark plug issue. You think you have frustration with this? Try simply replacing the plugs on certain model Fords.
I wish you luck and keep us posted.
 
I agree with you.. and I don't believe toyota Corp will step forward and do anything..but that doesn't mean its right does it? The dealer is the only official avenue you can take to get corporates attention to the issue. So that's what I'm doing.

As far as being a safety issue. That actually can be argued. Do I feel threatened or in danger? No. But when the vehicle sets off the SAI codes it disables all the traction controls. Why? Who knows... Doesn't makes sense to me. But those are there to aid in the the safety of the vehicle so why disable them for an emissions issue?
 
Have you looked at and read this TSB? It explains how water intrusion is the culprit.
TSB-0329-08

What's interesting is Toyota of Canada released a TSB 11/28/2012 for this problem on the 4Runner. It did not extend the warranty but it outlined the proper diagnosis and repair for this problem.


http://www.autosafety.org/sites/default/files/imce_staff_uploads/T-SB-0160-11.pdf

I dont see anything in here that says ( Except 4runner) is simply just does not state the vehicle. a 2uz-FE is the engine affected with this SAI being the problem that is recognized. Not bringing the warranty over to all vehicles with this engine and that problem is wrong. Especially when they fix some, and not others and for no other reason than publicity.
 
You and I both know its not the same issue.


Also, SAI pumps are only covered for 3/36. You should know this. It changed in certain states for 08MY.

You're correct that the OP's DTC is not specifically covered under TSB-0160-11, but that does not mean that the OP's symptoms are not related to the issues outlined in the DTC.

If you reference TSB-0230-12, which is an updated TSB designed to provide diagnostic criteria for other vehicles with 2UZ-FE engines (seems to be the VVTi-Equipped units for both TSBs) you'll see that they want to try replacing the Driver for the Air Injection pumps first. Yet towards the end of the TSB they outline diagnostic criteria for failing the Air Injection Pumps and requiring replacement. While this is in no large way an admission of guilt, it does roll into the fact that TSB-0160-11 details how MULTIPLE engine families shared in the Tundra/Sequoia have a potential to accrue too much moisture into the pumps and valve assemblies which can cause problems. The 2UZ-FE in the Tundra/Sequoia is not different than the 4Runner or Landcruiser applications in which the VVTi-equipped units are used. This would infer that the parts are just as susceptible to failure, Toyota even mentions Debris in TSB-0230-12 (which as you pointed out could also be due to deteriorated foam material, I won't discount that at all), debris that could be the result of moisture eroding internal components as seen in the Tundra/Sequoia.

As for warranty coverage, TSB-0160-11 also details that select states (including California) have an extended 84mo/70k emissions warranty covering these components. Additionally TCP-ZTQ-0001-D (Campaign Publication Documentation) supplements the existing TSB with a Warranty Extension pushing that warranty to 10yr/150k from vehicle first use date for these afflicted vehicles as long as the conditions can be replicated and/or have be documented prior to 10yr/150k period.

Documentation for review:
View attachment T-SB-0160-11.pdf
View attachment T-SB-0230-12.pdf
View attachment T-CP-ZTQ-0001-D.pdf

I am only trying to point out that there is plenty of evidence to show that Toyota is aware the issue extended among a large selection of 2UZ-FE Engines, but they have only chosen to specifically cover the Tundra/Sequoia. This is despite having evidence and knowledge that similar failures will occur in the other 2UZ-FE equipped vehicles, they simply have chosen to ignore that and at the very least use TSB-0230-12 to try and mitigate responsibility. This is not the first time Toyota has blown off evidence of a design flaw and/or delayed a TSB to exclude a large number of affected vehicles (see http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/124377-t-sb-0121-12-its-finally-here.html ) There are other examples including the possible cylinderhead gasket issue that seems to be mainly isolated to '05 or older 4Runners (yet, mainly failures are below 100k), of which there seems to be a decent amount of evidence to show there was not only an issue, but that the failed part was silently superseded.
 

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Thank you for making that crystal clear for anyone who thinks otherwise.

I will continue to update thread with the outcome of my situation. Hopefully anyone else who ends up in this spot can benefit from reading this.
 
The only time these pumps fail is when they suck up water. You must have splashed a lot of water under the hood. The trucks sees more failure mainly from the 4.6 and 5.7 because the pumps are low and in front of the passenger tire.
I seen tons of tundras with pump failure. Never one from a runner but that could be because all the owners don't actually leave the mall.

Another thing you can do is print up the TSB for the tundra and speak to a dealership service manager and see if he can contact Toyota on your behalf to get it covered.
 
The only time these pumps fail is when they suck up water. You must have splashed a lot of water under the hood. The trucks sees more failure mainly from the 4.6 and 5.7 because the pumps are low and in front of the passenger tire.
I seen tons of tundras with pump failure. Never one from a runner but that could be because all the owners don't actually leave the mall.

Another thing you can do is print up the TSB for the tundra and speak to a dealership service manager and see if he can contact Toyota on your behalf to get it covered.

Very well stated^^^^

So much more goes into it such as the design, air flow, heat dissipation etc. They even explain how important the placement of the clamps are in regards to keeping water intrusion at bay.
 
The only time these pumps fail is when they suck up water. You must have splashed a lot of water under the hood. The trucks sees more failure mainly from the 4.6 and 5.7 because the pumps are low and in front of the passenger tire.
I seen tons of tundras with pump failure. Never one from a runner but that could be because all the owners don't actually leave the mall.

Another thing you can do is print up the TSB for the tundra and speak to a dealership service manager and see if he can contact Toyota on your behalf to get it covered.


Actually no.. ive yet to even be able to have it in a situation where it would have sucked up a lot of water. Im trying to get all this crap straightened out first so I can build on it and get to the point where I can do that and then blame myself instead of toyota lol.

The service advisor im working with already has the print out ready.. just getting a few things in line before I go back and he does exactly that. I already have a case number with toyota on this issue.

Coincidence, related or not, at the exact time the truck threw out a CEL for the air pump and valves. it had a code for camshaft position sensor. Ill be changing that out before I bring it back to the dealer so they can focus on the single issue with corp.
 
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Ask to speak with the service manager not advisor.

Water could have gotten in from previous owner? Small amount will not set code right away but will rust the motor over time causing it to fail.

Just have to get enough water into the radiator area and the fan will do the rest...
 
Possible, but based on my research of the former owner lol.. it was owned by an 70 year old man and garaged.... Ive had it for 2 years.. Soo maybe?? but doubt he was a doing water crossings with a stock 4runner in his 70's lol....this of course is speculation
 
Doesn't have to be deep water crossing. Just big puddles of water can easily splash water over and under the hood.

Guess you never looked at what drivers are stuck in the middle of a flood street cuz they drove into it lol.

Either way. Try to get them to goodwill or pay now and hope for a TSB stating extended coverage. And you can get reimbursed for it.
 
Is there a detailed diagram/online thread showing how to get access to the pump? I am having trouble finding one online. I want to disconnect the pump temporally to get out of limp mode.
 
Sorry I havent updated..

my air pump is still Screaming every morning when I start up.. but since the 1 day it went into limp mode and threw 4 codes at once. It has never happened again since. So the dealer cant help me until it throws codes again.

I immediately shut off vehicle in the middle of the pump running and makeing noise. cleared codes with key on engine off and disconnected battery for 30 min.

I am not saying this way the right thing to do by any means.. however, i haven't had any issues or CELS since. Also just past NY State inspection. pump still makes noise every cold start.
 
Is there a detailed diagram/online thread showing how to get access to the pump? I am having trouble finding one online. I want to disconnect the pump temporally to get out of limp mode.
The pump is located under the manifold. The issue is that yes, you can just unplug the pump but I'm fairly certain that you will then solve the pump problem but create another since it's all tied into the system so you'll just get different codes.

Also, what codes do you have? There are certain limp modes where you can reset the system and be fine (until the issue is triggered again) and then there are codes which you can't clear with a reset and you'll have to replace the defective part, clear the codes and do the bypass to avoid any future failures.
Sorry I havent updated..

my air pump is still Screaming every morning when I start up.. but since the 1 day it went into limp mode and threw 4 codes at once. It has never happened again since. So the dealer cant help me until it throws codes again.

I immediately shut off vehicle in the middle of the pump running and makeing noise. cleared codes with key on engine off and disconnected battery for 30 min.

I am not saying this way the right thing to do by any means.. however, i haven't had any issues or CELS since. Also just past NY State inspection. pump still makes noise every cold start.
Glad to hear you haven't had any more codes but I'd install the bypass asap. I followed the same thought process you are and out of the blue it came back with vengeance. See my above comment in that if you tempt fate and one of irreversible codes gets thrown...you'll be replacing the part for sure!

Obviously I hope that doesn't happen to anyone but the bypass is cheap insurance (the relay version at least) that the issue won't devolve further.
 

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