Sequoia in the 4Runner stable?

[Thai]

The price can be considered a factor for a comparison of buying new. Initial price is 20k more and it never gains that back over depreciation. Personally for me the 10k lon-term cost differential would be worth getting the LC and sacrificing the room for the engineering and build of the LC. Best bet on either is really a lightly used model and the depreciation makes the LC costs no more than the Sequoia.

I can see for many how the extra 10" of wheelbase on the Sequioa might be a benefit for those that are towing frequently (say a travel trailer), because even with more tow rating, the LC wheelbase is more SUV and the Sequoia is more full size truck.

It is all really as personal use case on these two excellent vehicles.

Thanks, i stand corrected on resale value. Based on table, $10k left over on table. $10k for what TLC offers...not a bad deal IMHO.

 

[Toffees]

The price can be considered a factor for a comparison of buying new. Initial price is 20k more and it never gains that back over depreciation. Personally for me the 10k lon-term cost differential would be worth getting the LC and sacrificing the room for the engineering and build of the LC. Best bet on either is really a lightly used model and the depreciation makes the LC costs no more than the Sequoia.

I can see for many how the extra 10" of wheelbase on the Sequioa might be a benefit for those that are towing frequently (say a travel trailer), because even with more tow rating, the LC wheelbase is more SUV and the Sequoia is more full size truck.

It is all really as personal use case on these two excellent vehicles.

I've not driven a LC, but if the Sequoia tows/drives on the highway like the Tundra, that's a better fit for most people, because that can hardly be matched.

Although I'd probably opt for a Sienna to replace an Odyssey, but that's a different matter.

 

[Toffees]

You LC fanboys should re-read the OP. ^^



You should also re-read post #8 ^^. It's done/done.

Don't try an interject fact into an argument

 

[p nut]

It is bigger by virtual of its bigger size and IRS. If it was the same size, then i will give it more credit. It is like a foot longer than TLC!

For same year and mileage, i see TLC being sold at significantly higher prices than Sequoia.

Better ride? I don’t know about that. I drove both and felt TLC was more comfy and pretty decent handling (thanks to KDSS). Quieter ride (road & wind) too...probably due to thicker glass and more sound insulation. Leather inside is same as top Lexus (semi-aniline).

10” ground clearance is bogus, right? It is ONLY down the middle because it does not have any low-hanging axle pumpkin. This is offset by far better articulation of the solid axle and more articulation on IFS on the TLC.

How about towing? TLC tows more and likely will do better over the long haul to to solid axle.

You’re right...some of TLC features are not needed by average folks. But then again, 99% of folks should buy a Sienna/Odyssey instead of SUV. If that is the case, then we should not even talk about off-road anything. I made through the mountains of CO with my Sienna in fairly bad weather...isn’t that good enough for 99% of folks?

The point is that TLC does offer significantly more luxury and tools than Sequoia. If you don’t need luxury or tools of TLC, then Sequoia is fine ride.

That is exactly my point. This guy won't use any of LC's "advantages" to good use.

GC: That comment was more of a friendly jab than anything else. I'd assume it's due to the big ol pumpkin. As I said, off-road wise, LC trumps the Sequoia for sure.

By the way, towing: Yes, technically, LC is rated to tow more (not sure why). But have you towed anything close to 8k lbs in these SUV's? Definitely not recommended. I saved those duties for my F150.

And Sienna--for sure most need a minivan. We absolutely LOVE our AWD Sienna. Has pretty good GC as well (over 6"). My wife will not own another SUV after our foray into the van world.

 

[p nut]

The price can be considered a factor for a comparison of buying new. Initial price is 20k more and it never gains that back over depreciation. Personally for me the 10k lon-term cost differential would be worth getting the LC and sacrificing the room for the engineering and build of the LC. Best bet on either is really a lightly used model and the depreciation makes the LC costs no more than the Sequoia.

I can see for many how the extra 10" of wheelbase on the Sequioa might be a benefit for those that are towing frequently (say a travel trailer), because even with more tow rating, the LC wheelbase is more SUV and the Sequoia is more full size truck.

It is all really as personal use case on these two excellent vehicles.

I'm not sure where you got those figures, but have you tried shopping for LC's? Market value seem to be higher than what you've got posted. Once gas prices rise, I'm sure it'll adjust down, but then, same for the Sequoia. LC's production was also very low compared to the Sequoia as well. What I've seen, as I window shopped over the past year or so, good, clean LC's are being snatched up right away. This also drives up the resale. Delta is much higher than what you posted. (in my experience).

EDIT: For new pricing, there is probably (assumption on my part here) more discounts on the Sequoia. Makes sense, since it's a higher prod vehicle. I'm not sure where cargurus pulls data from, but this shows a bigger gap.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/compare/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-vs-Toyota-Sequoia_d299_d307

 

[Thai]

What is that saying...better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.....

 

[p nut]

What is that saying...better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.....

C'mon. That's a slippery slope. That kind of thinking is why people get SUV's instead of minivans. Why I see pristinely clean expo'ed up 4Runners, Jeeps and such, sliders without a scratch, snorkel, empty roof rack, never used jerry can strapped to the bumper on a forest service road that I took my old Subaru on.

Lets not forget that the Sequoia is still a very robust, BOF platform. I would say no LESS robust than the 4Runner, which we know is excellent.

 

[Thai]

C'mon. That's a slippery slope. That kind of thinking is why people get SUV's instead of minivans. Why I see pristinely clean expo'ed up 4Runners, Jeeps and such, sliders without a scratch, snorkel, empty roof rack, never used jerry can strapped to the bumper on a forest service road that I took my old Subaru on.

Lets not forget that the Sequoia is still a very robust, BOF platform. I would say no LESS robust than the 4Runner, which we know is excellent.

LOL...i actually forgot a smilie after that post——>this one

 

[philsey]

What is that saying...better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.....

Curious [MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] -- what are you driving these days? Due to its robustness, frame, off-road prowess, added resale value, and feature-set, it surely must be a LC. Or, perhaps do you have what you actually need? Hm?

ps: what you've had, or will have someday, is not the question. Please be succinct.

:thanks: :cheers:

 

[Thai]

Curious [MENTION=2]Thai[/MENTION] -- what are you driving these days? Due to its robustness, frame, off-road prowess, added resale value, and feature-set, it surely must be a LC. Or, perhaps do you have what you actually need? Hm?

ps: what you've had, or will have someday, is not the question. Please be succinct.

:thanks: :cheers:

I am always succinct. I don’t do silly stuff like listing Webster dictionary definitions to make a silly argument.

I drive a Sienna. I don’t off-road anymore. Paved road 100%. But in next 3-5 years with my kids more grown up and more disposable income in bank account, i do plan on getting Land Cruiser or something equivalent...but as noted in past, i hate that Toyota/Lexus are not going to have Apple CarPlay. (And it is also why i am pushing my brother to get TLC.). Otherwise, TLC is near perfect for me and family.

It is not about needing...it is about needing and be able to have fun. Right now, with my kids still in car seats, fun is out the window. But i cannot plan ahead in the near future?

 

[p nut]

I am always succinct. I don’t do silly stuff like listing Webster dictionary definitions to make a silly argument.

I drive a Sienna. I don’t off-road anymore. Paved road 100%. But in next 3-5 years with my kids more grown up, i do plan on getting Land Cruiser or something equivalent...but as noted in past, i hate that Toyota/Lexus are not going to have Apple CarPlay. (And it is also why i am pushing my brother to get TLC.). TLC is near perfect for me and family.

It is not about needing...it is about needing and be able to have fun. Right now, with my kids still in car seats, fun is out the window.

A Sequoia? :bounce:

I've got kids in car seats. TLC was great for me out here in Utah, but I've really come to HATE full-size wheeling. By full size, I mean even smaller trucks like 4Runner/Tacoma. This is after years of mountain biking and spending time in a RZR, where I can blast through obstacles instead of spending 45 minutes inching my way up and lots of busted knuckles stacking rocks. Next off-road worthy vehicle I'll get is a 4-seater RZR. The kids absolutely LOVE riding in it (cruising around and mild trails). And lots of adult fun, too. Then I'd really only need a 4Runner or Sequoia to tow that thing to the trails.

 

[Thai]

A Sequoia? :bounce:

I've got kids in car seats. TLC was great for me out here in Utah, but I've really come to HATE full-size wheeling. By full size, I mean even smaller trucks like 4Runner/Tacoma. This is after years of mountain biking and spending time in a RZR, where I can blast through obstacles instead of spending 45 minutes inching my way up and lots of busted knuckles stacking rocks. Next off-road worthy vehicle I'll get is a 4-seater RZR. The kids absolutely LOVE riding in it (cruising around and mild trails). And lots of adult fun, too. Then I'd really only need a 4Runner or Sequoia to tow that thing to the trails.

Sequoia is great. However, i like TLC for the pedigree, stout design (Sequoia looks too bubbly to me), crazy luxurious ride and soft leather, and all the safety features. Actually, the BIGGEST problem for me with Sequoia is the damn captain chairs in 2nd row on their top end. I have 3 kids and i don’t like to have one of them in the 3rd row which then impacts cargo carry capacity. I understand that many many people love the captain chairs...and i would too if i only had 2 kids.

 

[p nut]

Sequoia is great. However, i like TLC for the pedigree, stout design (Sequoia looks too bubbly to me), crazy luxurious ride and soft leather, and all the safety features. Actually, the BIGGEST problem for me with Sequoia is the damn captain chairs in 2nd row on their top end. I have 3 kids and i don’t like to have one of them in the 3rd row which then impacts cargo carry capacity. I understand that many many people love the captain chairs...and i would too if i only had 2 kids.

Actually, I like cap chairs BECAUSE of 3 kids. 2 kids, bench seats are great. But just like in the Sienna, it's nice to be able to put the third kid in the back. Or in our case, two in the third row and one in the middle. Keeps them separate and peaceful (kind of). It does cut into cargo capacity; however, 99% of the time, we're not carrying much of anything. If we were, the Yakima rack or box would be used. Little painful for road trips, but works well enough.

Plus, the cargo space behind the 3rd row is non-existent in the LC. Still good amount in the Sequoia, which would make up for anything lost due to a 3rd kid back there.

Looks wise, the new LC (starting in '13?) definitely sharpened the lines, but look at 08-12. Bland and "bubbly" looking. I actually had a hard time telling the difference from a distance to a Highlander.

 

[Thai]

Actually, I like cap chairs BECAUSE of 3 kids. 2 kids, bench seats are great. But just like in the Sienna, it's nice to be able to put the third kid in the back. Or in our case, two in the third row and one in the middle. Keeps them separate and peaceful (kind of). It does cut into cargo capacity; however, 99% of the time, we're not carrying much of anything. If we were, the Yakima rack or box would be used. Little painful for road trips, but works well enough.

Plus, the cargo space behind the 3rd row is non-existent in the LC. Still good amount in the Sequoia, which would make up for anything lost due to a 3rd kid back there.

Agree...but i do use my cars for long distance driving a lot...since 5 people flying is $$$$$$. So, popping up 3rd row eliminates what I can carry on long trips. But with 3 kids across in the TLC second row, i have plenty of room for cargo. It seems like my cargo capacity need grows with every trip!! My kids are well behaved enough that i don’t think that they have issues with being next to each other.

 

[p nut]

Agree...but i do use my cars for long distance driving a lot...since 5 people flying is $$$$$$. So, popping up 3rd row eliminates what I can carry on long trips. But with 3 kids across in the TLC second row, i have plenty of room for cargo. It seems like my cargo capacity need grows with every trip!! My kids are well behaved enough that i don’t think that they have issues with being next to each other.

Yes, I love road trips. Which is another reason why we bought the Sienna. 3 rows and plenty of room for stuff. And almost 100% better MPG than LC or Sequoia!

 

[mgreen6616]

I'm not sure where you got those figures, but have you tried shopping for LC's? Market value seem to be higher than what you've got posted. Once gas prices rise, I'm sure it'll adjust down, but then, same for the Sequoia. LC's production was also very low compared to the Sequoia as well. What I've seen, as I window shopped over the past year or so, good, clean LC's are being snatched up right away. This also drives up the resale. Delta is much higher than what you posted. (in my experience).

EDIT: For new pricing, there is probably (assumption on my part here) more discounts on the Sequoia. Makes sense, since it's a higher prod vehicle. I'm not sure where cargurus pulls data from, but this shows a bigger gap.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/compare/Toyota-Land-Cruiser-vs-Toyota-Sequoia_d299_d307

That is Black Book Pricing (like for like condition and sale type) which pulls actual transaction data. I found three 2013 TLCs for 42k with a 2 minute search. That is awful close to the stated value in my table. I think what helps keep the values reasonable is the very existence of the Lexus version.

If you compare used on the same site you quoted you can see that used vs. used is 10K difference for similar equipment levels. So my point being that after the first year you are looking at a 10k delta to get a TLC is shown in Black Book and your CarGurus link.

 

[mgreen6616]

Here is a direct used comparison. I don't know what your experience has been but I have shopped them and my data, Black Book data and CarGurus data lines up with what I have outlined here.

 

[TacoRunn0517]

Assuming that I'd wanted the Platinum trim, I'd definitely would consider the LC. Can't fault anyone for wanting to save $10K (I myself would lean towards that from a logical standpoint). There is something that draws me to LC first haha. I know these two vehicles will be on the short list if/when I get blessed with a family AND my 4Runner kicks the can.

 

[p nut]

Here is a direct used comparison. I don't know what your experience has been but I have shopped them and my data, Black Book data and CarGurus data lines up with what I have outlined here.

The problem with those sites is they are not working off of actual sales prices--just list prices. There is a different market for those specific vehicles. Sequoia will deviate more from the list prices, as there are more comparable listings (no surprise as its sales numbers are much higher). The market is more local. Demand is not that high (relatively). The LC has a more "global" pull. People regularly search nationally and have no qualms of traveling or flying coast to coast to get their hands on a nice LC. Demand is higher. Prices will deviate much less. There is a bigger gap than what you've got depicted.

 

[p nut]

Assuming that I'd wanted the Platinum trim, I'd definitely would consider the LC. Can't fault anyone for wanting to save $10K (I myself would lean towards that from a logical standpoint). There is something that draws me to LC first haha. I know these two vehicles will be on the short list if/when I get blessed with a family AND my 4Runner kicks the can.

One thing I am hoping, few years down the line, is that Toyota does something about the atrocious MPG of the 5.7L. I mean, good grief, all other big V8's get close to 20MPG. I know this is a sacrilege, but I wouldn't mind something like Ford's 3.5L Ecoboost in an LC chassis. It'll get 23MPG and have a ton of power.

I also know Toyota is looking to go all hybrid in a few years. Maybe that will be an option, too.