blakjack23
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Seems slightly aggressive for the circumstances.
Sizeable oil puddle in the driveway. Look what I found...
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Seems slightly aggressive for the circumstances.
TOYO74
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Inept huh? Nice way of grouping everyone under one shitty stereotype. How about this...I don't have the time to deal with doing yet another oil change on one of my 4 vehicles so my Toyota goes to the dealer? Inept you say? How about my time is worth more doing other shit than perhaps your time is worth? How's that feel? lollayball:
Hit the hate brake sir.
I believe "manofsteele" was talking about the most inept techs at the dealers get to do the oil changes . As many have said, the oil change techs are dropouts from FUBAR University at Jiffy Lube--so they get hired at dealerships as "oil change specialist".
As you said, your time is valuable so if the techs at your dealer do a good job, go for it! I wish I could find a Toyota service department in my area that I could depend on for some things I don't want to do.
chester4Run
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I don't think the pan will drain through the filter housing. Do they use a suction device? I occasionally drain mine cold and it takes a long time to run out (also have a fumoto in there constricting the flow some) so when I remove the filter, it's still about 10 minutes or so from finishing draining. I don't get any more oil out of the filter than it would hold though. I'm pretty sure it's also higher than the pan.
I didn't like the cartridge filter much initially, but I don't mind it now.
I think he's saying they don't first drain the filter housing with the drain tool that's included when you buy the filter. They just un-thread the whole housing and let it rip... of course, when you're being lazy and it's someone else's vehicle, who cares if you get oil all over the place.
Brandonium
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As I see it I allow them to change it until I am given good reason not to. So far so good but I also see it as like this. If they eff it up then they make it right but in the end it's a risk for sure. They are just as prone to screw up warranty work (which we all make sure we get before out of warranty) so that too is a risk. I'm just not one of those guys to not trust someone before being given a reason not to trust them if that makes sense.
I agree that it can be a difficult decision to make, when Toyota is doing it for Free. I mean, it almost seems financially irresponsible to turn down something that you've essentially already paid for. If someone does not have basic mechanical skills, then I would say by all means go to the dealer.
Why do I choose to do it on my own? Mostly due to threads like this, and the one time I had my '09 Tundra's oil changed by the dealership, they poured oil down the side of the engine when filling it. Here are the pros of doing it yourself:
-Assuming you have basic mechanical ability and a couple tools, you know it's done right. A perfect example is in this thread. The oil change procedure is pretty simple once you get it down, but there are still a number of elements that can be messed up if you don't care about what you're doing. Then there's just the generic risk of other people handling your vehicle and all the things that go along with it.
-You can choose your own oil, since you never really know for sure what the dealer is putting in there (did they use 5W30 or 0W20? Who knows unless you do a UOA?). Same with the filter, but it's a no brainer to go OEM here.
-You get to inspect other components of your vehicle while you're under there.
-No setting up an appointment, driving over to the dealer, sitting in their crappy waiting area while they're trying to cut corners and rush my 4Runner through its oil change. Some people act as if this time doesn't count when comparing to doing it at home. If I do it myself, it's on my schedule and I can simply drink a few beers in the garage and take a short break from the other aspects of my life while doing it.
Why do I choose to do it on my own? Mostly due to threads like this, and the one time I had my '09 Tundra's oil changed by the dealership, they poured oil down the side of the engine when filling it. Here are the pros of doing it yourself:
-Assuming you have basic mechanical ability and a couple tools, you know it's done right. A perfect example is in this thread. The oil change procedure is pretty simple once you get it down, but there are still a number of elements that can be messed up if you don't care about what you're doing. Then there's just the generic risk of other people handling your vehicle and all the things that go along with it.
-You can choose your own oil, since you never really know for sure what the dealer is putting in there (did they use 5W30 or 0W20? Who knows unless you do a UOA?). Same with the filter, but it's a no brainer to go OEM here.
-You get to inspect other components of your vehicle while you're under there.
-No setting up an appointment, driving over to the dealer, sitting in their crappy waiting area while they're trying to cut corners and rush my 4Runner through its oil change. Some people act as if this time doesn't count when comparing to doing it at home. If I do it myself, it's on my schedule and I can simply drink a few beers in the garage and take a short break from the other aspects of my life while doing it.
Removed the skid plate, and look what I found. Looks like the O-ring was installed incorrectly, and the filter was torqued way past the point it's supposed to go. Glad I didn't lose all my oil on the highway and seize the engine!
damn these dealer lube techs suck.
TOYO74
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Good point. I wish I could have your trusting attitude, but after being burned a few times at my local dealers with messed up warranty work and other work, I am suspicious of them all. This really makes it difficult for me when I HAVE to use a dealer for work I can't do.
Lester Lugnut
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First sentence - post #14 in the thread below clarifies the tab/index mark.
The rest of that thread sums up a lot of what's discussed in this and many other threads on the internet:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/188343-dealer-tech-opinion-recent-10k-service.html
Brandonium
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Oh I get it. Just had a windshield put in my TEP for the first time and they had to redo it because of laminate issues in the glass.. and TWICE they scratched the inner corner areas of my front fenders AND it's super white which makes me SUPER pissed. When I called them out it appeared as though they put white out over the scratches. They also destroyed the two corner trim pieces which I am now waiting to order.. And being the OCD person I am the top seal no longer has that even look that I once enjoyed. But what are you to do? More often than not people do shitty work either because they are not properly trained, do not care or they are just having a shitty day in general and that's the day you ended up getting them. :shocked:
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2012sr5
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Neither. The local family-owned shop I've been taking my vehicles to for 8+ years did it. I stopped by today and talked to the owner, who has become a friend over the years, and told him very calmly what happened and showed him pics. I said I'm not trying to get anything out of him, just that I'm really glad I caught it, and I was telling him because I'd want to know if one of my employees messed something up like this.
He said he's glad I caught it, too, because it saved him from having to buy me a new engine! He brought the tech over who messed it up, and they were both super apologetic.
My next oil change over there is on the house, but now that I've done it, I'll probably just keep doing it myself.
At my 10,000 mile service they left the o-ring off. Drove 20 miles from the dealer to work and when I came out of work there was oil all over the parking lot, and nothing in my engine. Had to get it towed back to the dealer that night. Thank god I didn't do any damage.
Seems like this is pretty common....
Seems like this is pretty common....
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