snow chains?

GreyDawg

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I apologize as I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere but I searched and couldn't find it.

I live in a non-snowy area, but will be traveling to the mountains in northern NM and SW Colorado a few times each winter. I have a 2015 SR5 4WD with factory tires.

I am required to carry (but hope I never need to use) snow chains. I'm in Durango at the moment, so I have more options for purchase than in the lowlands. Purchase needs to be made in the next couple of days.

Recommendations for chains (or cables) that are relatively simple to install, will give good traction, and will not see heavy use (I hope?)?

Cheers!
 
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I travel back home to Colorado from San Antonio 4-5 times a year. Here is my experience...

You don't have to carry chains as long as your tires meet certain requirements. I still carry them as a precaution, but as long as your tires are rated for Severe Snow Service conditions you will be fine. These tires will have the three-top-mountain with a snowflake in the middle. I have never been stopped for chains while running tires with that symbol or with dedicated winter tires. The symbol looks like this:

severe_snowflake.gif


There are several tires that meet this standard, but to do so they have to meet certain requirements. Of course, dedicated winter tires are the best, but you would need stud-less tires as studded tires are not allowed back in Texas.

I will tell you right now - the factory worn Dunlop AT20 tires are complete garbage in the snow and down right dangerous on the ice. I think Toyota expects every 4Runner owner to ditch them as soon as they buy their truck.

As far as chains go, I carried the Peerless Auto-tracs in my 2003 4Runner. Like I said - I never used them, and they do not fit my 2015 TEP. So, I may be ordering some new ones soon.

Here is a link to them: http://a.co/27MNr9K

They came highly recommended for ease of use, but mine are still in the carry bag.

I apologize as I'm sure this has been covered elsewhere but I searched and couldn't find it.

I live in a non-snowy area, but will be traveling to the mountains in northern NM and SW Colorado a few times each winter. I have a 2015 SR5 4WD with factory tires.

I am required to carry (but hope I never need to use) snow chains. I'm in Durango at the moment, so I have more options for purchase than in the lowlands. Purchase needs to be made in the next couple of days.

Recommendations for chains (or cables) that are relatively simple to install, will give good traction, and will not see heavy use (I hope?)?

Cheers!
 
It should also be noted that Z-Chain and Auto-Trac are both made by the same company. I have heard good things about both.
 
I travel back home to Colorado from San Antonio 4-5 times a year. Here is my experience...

You don't have to carry chains as long as your tires meet certain requirements.

Beware, CDOT changed the laws effective last year.

They now have Code 15 which means 4WD and at least 1/8" tread is fine OR snow tires for 2WD.

But they created Code 16 for when things get really bad and that code requires chains or wheel socks regardless of how many drive axles.

Personally if I was looking at a Code 16 I'd just bivouac at a hotel for the night because you are either going to 1) Be sitting in a highway/parking lot in standstill traffic or 2) Get hit by some idiot with summer tires who is totally unprepared or 3) Be so pissed off by the time you get home you'll wish you'd have just stayed home to begin with.

While CDOT and the State Patrol now can fine the shit out of people who have inadequate tires and get stuck blocking traffic OR cause and accident it will still happen. Too many out of staters here now who have no clue how nasty it can get in the mountains and they get into trouble real fast.

Worse case scenario (and I have been in numerous times) is warm day, freak snow and drastic temp drop and boom. You got a sheet of ice with half frozen snow on top of it and it is a skating rink.

I don't know much about these wheel socks. Just started hearing about them but they say they are a lot easier to put on than chains from what little I have read.

Chains scare the hell out of me because if they get loose they can (and do) beat the hell out of a 1/4 panel in short order.

Edit: Correct law effect LAST year (2015 not this year) and added helpful new article link here:

http://denver.cbslocal.com/2015/11/...nforce-traction-law-on-i-70-for-all-vehicles/
 
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Beware, CDOT changed the laws effective this year.

They now have Code 15 which means 4WD and at least 1/8" tread is fine OR snow tires for 2WD.

But they created Code 16 for when things get really bad and that code requires chains or wheel socks regardless of how many drive axles.

Personally if I was looking at a Code 16 I'd just bivouac at a hotel for the night because you are either going to 1) Be sitting in a highway/parking lot in standstill traffic or 2) Get hit by some idiot with summer tires who is totally unprepared or 3) Be so pissed off by the time you get home you'll wish you'd have just stayed home to begin with.

While CDOT and the State Patrol now can fine the shit out of people who have inadequate tires and get stuck blocking traffic OR cause and accident it will still happen. Too many out of staters here now who have no clue how nasty it can get in the mountains and they get into trouble real fast.

Worse case scenario (and I have been in numerous times) is warm day, freak snow and drastic temp drop and boom. You got a sheet of ice with half frozen snow on top of it and it is a skating rink.

I don't know much about these wheel socks. Just started hearing about them but they say they are a lot easier to put on than chains from what little I have read.

Chains scare the hell out of me because if they get loose they can (and do) beat the hell out of a 1/4 panel in short order.

Good to know!

Yeah, we don't have a choice when we travel. My wife has Cystic Fibrosis. The best doctors in the nation are back in Denver at National Jewish. So, we have to go back home several times a year (there is no such thing as an accredited adult CF center in San Antonio).

So, I will be ordering a new set of chains tomorrow, and I will probably go with the Auto-Tracs again due to the fact that they self tighten and adjust.

I am still considering getting some "severe snow service" tires for the same reason. I am seriously looking at the Falken AT3Ws.
 
Good to know!

Yeah, we don't have a choice when we travel. My wife has Cystic Fibrosis. The best doctors in the nation are back in Denver at National Jewish. So, we have to go back home several times a year (there is no such thing as an accredited adult CF center in San Antonio).

So, I will be ordering a new set of chains tomorrow, and I will probably go with the Auto-Tracs again due to the fact that they self tighten and adjust.

I am still considering getting some "severe snow service" tires for the same reason. I am seriously looking at the Falken AT3Ws.

Got it, you if you had to chain up it would likely be on I-25 not I-70 in the mountains correct?

If so I would say it's extremely rare they would call a Code 16 on I-25. To be honest I'm a Colorado native and have never owned chains. Just good tires and 4WD and I am just fine.

But, that stretch from Colorado Springs to Denver (and vice versa) is madness. There are people who are just flat crazy along that stretch (I call it Road Rage Central) and will be doing 80 mph in a complete white out OR you have the person doing 10 mph in the far left lane. I avoid that stretch of highway at all costs and there are some alternate routes to do so.

You probably already know this but I-25 is a CDOT maintained highway and they use Mag Chloride on it. If you do have to drive on it during a snow storm, get your vehicle to a self serve car wash ASAP the next day and spray it off under and on top real good.

If you don't, it will eat your vehicle alive. I hate that crap.
 
I ski multiple days every winter in Colorado - have for 40 years - and I have never run into a chain requirement on I-70. That's not to say you won't run into it, but it's pretty rare for an actual chain law to be applied for passenger vehicles. As a previous poster said, if it gets that bad just park and wait it out, because you won't want to be on the road anyway.

The snow sock is a useful emergency thing to have in your vehicle. It's cheap, easy to put on, takes up little space, and is fairly effective on ice. From what I understand they are pretty much a one-time use item, as they wear very quickly. They also aren't all that effective on deep snow - for that you need good tread or real chains.

But honestly, CDOT does an awesome job of staying on top of the major roads in the mountains, and if you're willing to wait a few hours you won't need chains or snow socks unless you are traveling secondary roads.

To address another point, I don't think there's enough clearance to the upper ball joint to put chains on the front of a stock 4th or 5th gen 4runner. Unless you have wheel spacers or offset wheels chains are pretty much a rear-wheel only option, I think.
 
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No chains required. If you have tires > 4/32 (legally the minimum) and 4WD you should be good to go. I'm an avid 30+ days a year skier and I have been driving into the Colo high country for 30+ years and I have never needed to put chains on my 1st, 2nd, or 4th gen T4R. CDOT does a great job keeping the roads open that many 2wd cars with snow tires and/or chains can pass. Chains can also destroy the inner fender with larger tires or if they don't get installed properly. You don't often see 2wd cars with chains let alone 4WD.

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Apparently code 15 and 16 have been around for a while. Granted, the enforcement began in the 15/16 season on I70 and statewide for 16/17. I suppose I've been "breaking the law" for years. But, 4WD and good tires have always served me well...or maybe it was my old 1st gen T4R , my old 2nd gen T4R, or my 4th gen T4R!!!!
 
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Got it, you if you had to chain up it would likely be on I-25 not I-70 in the mountains correct?

If so I would say it's extremely rare they would call a Code 16 on I-25. To be honest I'm a Colorado native and have never owned chains. Just good tires and 4WD and I am just fine.

But, that stretch from Colorado Springs to Denver (and vice versa) is madness. There are people who are just flat crazy along that stretch (I call it Road Rage Central) and will be doing 80 mph in a complete white out OR you have the person doing 10 mph in the far left lane. I avoid that stretch of highway at all costs and there are some alternate routes to do so.

You probably already know this but I-25 is a CDOT maintained highway and they use Mag Chloride on it. If you do have to drive on it during a snow storm, get your vehicle to a self serve car wash ASAP the next day and spray it off under and on top real good.

If you don't, it will eat your vehicle alive. I hate that crap.

Yeah. My wife and I are Colorado natives (Fort Collins and Broomfield). We are very familiar with that stretch and the chemicals they use for de-icing. Our problem really isn't in Colorado unless we go visit my aunt and uncle in Steamboat. Then chains are a must.

The OP was referring to SW Colorado around Durango. My parents lived in Cortez and Farmington for a while. So, I drove that area and up to Fort Collins for a good 4 years, and those roads can easily get closed down. I have actually been on Wolf Creek Pass when the gates were closed behind me. I didn't know until I made it down and the officer at the gate told me that no one was supposed to be up there. ...thanks for the advanced warning...

Our biggest problem now-a-days is the panhandle of Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Northeast New Mexico (before I-25). Similar to the worst case scenario described earlier, on one trip we were North of Amarillo when a 65 degree day became a white-out snow storm with the highway being shut down at Dumas. I was able to traverse the opposite lanes of 287 after the Highway Patrol told us there was no one coming since it was closed. Myself and the Land Cruiser in front of us were the only ones to make it across the median and go the wrong way in the South bound lanes.

Last year we encountered enough snow and ice in and around Lubbock, TX to have most of the traffic sliding off the road. The biggest problem is that none of the surrounding states are as good as Colorado when clearing snow and ice from major roadways. I think Texas is actually the worst.

Are you guys just using chains on the rear wheels only?

At a minimum, they should be on the "drive" wheels. Even on our 4WD 4Runners, the drive wheels are considered the rear wheels. I carry chains for all 4 wheels.

I ski multiple days every winter in Colorado - have for 40 years - and I have never run into a chain requirement on I-70. That's not to say you won't run into it, but it's pretty rare for an actual chain law to be applied for passenger vehicles. As a previous poster said, if it gets that bad just park and wait it out, because you won't want to be on the road anyway.

The snow sock is a useful emergency thing to have in your vehicle. It's cheap, easy to put on, takes up little space, and is fairly effective on ice. From what I understand they are pretty much a one-time use item, as they wear very quickly. They also aren't all that effective on deep snow - for that you need good tread or real chains.

But honestly, CDOT does an awesome job of staying on top of the major roads in the mountains, and if you're willing to wait a few hours you won't need chains or snow socks unless you are traveling secondary roads.

To address another point, I don't think there's enough clearance to the upper ball joint to put chains on the front of a stock 4th or 5th gen 4runner. Unless you have wheel spacers or offset wheels chains are pretty much a rear-wheel only option, I think.

I believe the s-class clearance chains will fit without hitting the upper ball joint, but only if you are running stock size tires.

All of that being said, unless you "must" travel in those conditions, waiting a few hours is always the best plan of action.
 
Thanks to everyone for the informative replies.

My usual response to moderate or worse snow is indeed "hunker down."

In Oregon -- where I lived for 14 years -- my biggest fear was black ice, which is diabolical there. I ran studded tires in the winter, which saved my bacon more than once.
 
+1 on the Security Z-Chains (cables).

Have owned them for other vehicles and just ordered a pair for the 4Runner since it's about to be Tahoe season.
 
I ski multiple days every winter in Colorado - have for 40 years - and I have never run into a chain requirement on I-70. That's not to say you won't run into it, but it's pretty rare for an actual chain law to be applied for passenger vehicles.

No chains required. If you have tires > 4/32 (legally the minimum) and 4WD you should be good to go. I'm an avid 30+ days a year skier and I have been driving into the Colo high country for 30+ years and I have never needed to put chains on my 1st, 2nd, or 4th gen T4R.

CDOT has gotten much more aggressive with requiring 4wd and snow tires so they could get more aggressive on chains. Maybe it's The congested I70 corridor and people with worn out tires that move here from out of state. They seem tired of constant backups becuase of people not having proper equipment, finally.

But, that stretch from Colorado Springs to Denver (and vice versa) is madness. There are people who are just flat crazy along that stretch (I call it Road Rage Central) and will be doing 80 mph in a complete white out OR you have the person doing 10 mph in the far left lane. I avoid that stretch of highway at all costs and there are some alternate routes to do so.

So true...
 
CDOT has gotten much more aggressive with requiring 4wd and snow tires so they could get more aggressive on chains. Maybe it's The congested I70 corridor and people with worn out tires that move here from out of state. They seem tired of constant backups becuase of people not having proper equipment, finally.

That's a good point. As traffic on I-70 west of Denver continues to increase the weekend tie-ups are getting ridiculous. I seldom travel that road on weekends anymore in the winter. I do all my skiing during the week. That's another good strategy for managing winter travel in Colorado - do it when the roads are relatively lightly traveled if you can. You have lot less to fear from snow and ice than you do from other drivers.
 
I have BFG KO2 275/70/17s. The application guide for this size tire shows two models, the ZT747 for a 275-70/17 tire and the ZT751 for the LT275-70/17. Does anyone know the difference between the two and which one I should get for the KO2s?
 
I believe all BFG KO2's are LT designation, so I would go with that selection. Are yours load range C or E? If E definitely go with the LT chain model. The C's may work either way.
 

I'm going to try these since they look so easy to put on. I'm using OEM Nitto tires (M+S)/wheel size. Hopefully with 4WD I won't ever have to use the chains, but just in case.

Peerless 0232605 Auto-Trac Light Truck/SUV Tire Traction Chain
 

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