So has anyone ditched the cartrige engine oil filter for a canister?

Because we like to tinker and change things. Make them our own. We lift, mod controls, cut things. It is who we are.

All for making things our own, but only if there's net improvement. Wheels, tires, suspension, interior, lighting, cargo mods, heck even a supercharger, hell yeah, they might better our trucks; but altering a capable oil filter for the once or twice a year it will be touched, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. And, sure, Toyota attends owner events, but it's not to learn engineering efficiencies, rather to learn preferences and behaviour.
 
Maybe I'm missing something here, but why would anyone go through the expense and hassle and potential failure (thus voiding warranty) of changing a filtration system that is already so robust it can handle everything thrown at it? Are you planning on running the Baja?
This isn't something broken, so don't see the need to fix it.

Oh, I know why people like to change things, trust me. You want the truth?

People want "special." If there are three hundred blue ones then somebody is gonna paint one black. I totally understand the cosmetic and "form" aspect of individuality.

Now where people get in trouble is "fixing" the "function" aspect lol. In any enthusiasts forum on ANYTHING, there are guys who think they are smarter than the design, marketing, engineering and manufacturing guys at any given OEM, or are just too dumb and lazy to figure out what the OEM guys really did in their designs and marketing. You know what though? There usually IS a guy or two (not 10, not 50 and definitely not 100) who actually has a "better idea" and that's why the engineers and marketing guys go to shows and forums. The vast majority of true "mods" (actual functional changes, not floor mats or window tint) that are done in the various driveways across America only give the OEM engineers something to laugh about on their trips home. The "best" (worst?) ones immediately become legends and will be repeated in break rooms, cubicles and at water coolers throughout the OEM world. The best ones however get added to the vehicle!

Case in point: Wheel spacers. Many guys choose to run them to "improve" the "stance" of the 4Runner. In their minds moving the wheels out makes their ride look "tougher" and more "trail ready." Some guys do it because they think it will add lateral stability to their vehicles. It does... in extremely specific situations and even then only adds a miniscule amount, kinda like unloading the groceries and touting horsepower gains amounts.
I have been reading posts here for four years and read many posts on axle failures. Somehow I must have missed the failures that occurred on stock vehicles as most have failed on vehicles with wheel spacers or higher offset wheels. Sure, it could be they failed because those guys "wheeled" harder than the stock vehicles but would they have failed if they would have kept the stock offset and no wheel spacers? And then some are mad when the bearings fail? Anyone with half a brain and a rudimentary knowledge of simple loads will know they are loading heavier than the initial design.

I do not mean to pick on the guys who do these mods. Seriously, and I know they DO look "cooler" and more "rugged." Is it worth it? How many guys come here who know nothing about anything, see a picture or read about a mod and do it because somebody else did. Then they get pissed when something screws up. I just used the wheel spacers as an example because there are cases where spacers and higher offsets are used that have not resulted in failures. I can guarantee you every single one who does will have a shorter bearing life than a stock vehicle though. To some people, the deem it important enough of a mod to do it even though it could shorten bearing life and I applaud them for doing it and going in with "eyes wide open" because this is how innovations are created. Most are not like that though.

Converting your engine to run a spin on filter can of course be done. There are several guys here who could do it and do it correctly. However, just thinking that all you need to do is machine an adapter and that's it is pretty much like saying "Here, hold my beer and watch this." In order not to mess something up you need to EXACTLY re create the OEM canister performance with your spin on mod. If you can't do that then it will be a "bad idea mod."

There are some sharp guys here. There are also some "not so sharp" guys here who will get butthurt over this post, thinking it was directed at them. As some of you know I really don't care. I just try to open eyes.
 
If the OP decides to convert from a cartridge to a canister I want to see pictures and hear about it. And I hope it works perfectly.
 
It is my understanding that element filters are being used to reduce waste and cost. Not because they are better. I would like to know if filter conversion kits are reliable and will change mine over after the warranty is out.
 
It is my understanding that element filters are being used to reduce waste and cost. Not because they are better. I would like to know if filter conversion kits are reliable and will change mine over after the warranty is out.
Actually, it does not void your warranty and is protected under law by the
Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. It would be on the manufacture to prove that the aftermarket device caused a failure. But I get it, you need to be comfortable with what you do and there is no hurry.
 
Actually, it does not void your warranty and is protected under law by the
Magnuson–Moss Warranty Act. It would be on the manufacture to prove that the aftermarket device caused a failure. But I get it, you need to be comfortable with what you do and there is no hurry.

People like to throw out the Magnuson-Moss act as some sort of get out of jail free card. I guarantee you if you changed the oil filter system and then had a subsequent engine issue that could be related you'd be SOL. The MMA is so the OEM can't say something like your oil filter is responsible for your air conditioner breaking.
 
People like to throw out the Magnuson-Moss act as some sort of get out of jail free card. I guarantee you if you changed the oil filter system and then had a subsequent engine issue that could be related you'd be SOL. The MMA is so the OEM can't say something like your oil filter is responsible for your air conditioner breaking.

Not implying that it's bullet proof, only that it exists. SEMA would hardly exist
without it since it represents mostly aftermarket.
 
Not implying that it's bullet proof, only that it exists. SEMA would hardly exist
without it since it represents mostly aftermarket.

True, good point. But I think engine mods are pretty risky as that would be a big $ fix if something went wrong and they denied the warranty. Especially so you can save maybe 10 minutes with a different oil filter style.
 
Funny, I would consider doing a lot of other things to any car before messing around with the lubrication system. Introducing more points of opportunity for failure to such a critical system is the first step to increasing the likelihood of catastrophic breakdown. Money to burn? Go for it! :biggrin1: :banana:
 
I'm actually looking for a high end remote filter system now.

I don't buy cheap shit so willing to spend bucks to get the good stuff.

I keep my vehicles (at least my 4Runners) a long time and willing to drop the dime on one.

My brother has a very nice unit on his race car, 2 filters and super easy to get to. I am trying to find out if that company can hook me up.

And I want braided stainless lines also, not the rubber lines the lesser kits have. And some hot chocolate. And some goddamn pecan pie. :-)
 
Funny .....how things reverse .....

My 1965 corvette , used a heavy cartridge , with a replaceable filter , gasket and single bolt though the middle seal the canister to the block.

amazing
 
That is exactly the difference. :)

Some of the best advice my Dad ever gave me:

1) Buy a cheap tool, you buy it 10 times. Buy a good tool, you buy it once.
2) A good mechanic doesn't own a hammer.
3) Never crawl under a vehicle without a backup support device. The wheel you took off if nothing else.
4) No matter how good she looks, there is a guy somewhere that is sick of her shit AND....
5) Watch out where the huskies go and don't eat that yellow snow.

Man, I sure do miss him.
 
I installed a remote system on 5.7 Tundra. 300psi 5/8"ID internally braided hose with anodized AN fittings. Also, a remote sump drain with a quick disconnect hydraulic fitting that allows me to drain the oil via vacuum tank. No skid plates to remove and I'm good with that. But I have been modifying engines and related systems for a long time on both aircraft and cars, I'm comfortable with what I do, It's not for everyone.
 

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Some of the best advice my Dad ever gave me:

1) Buy a cheap tool, you buy it 10 times. Buy a good tool, you buy it once.
2) A good mechanic doesn't own a hammer.
3) Never crawl under a vehicle without a backup support device. The wheel you took off if nothing else.
4) No matter how good she looks, there is a guy somewhere that is sick of her shit AND....
5) Watch out where the huskies go and don't eat that yellow snow.

Man, I sure do miss him.

Good advice all the way around!

On #5, are you Frank's son? j/k
 
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I'm actually looking for a high end remote filter system now.

I don't buy cheap shit so willing to spend bucks to get the good stuff.

I keep my vehicles (at least my 4Runners) a long time and willing to drop the dime on one.

My brother has a very nice unit on his race car, 2 filters and super easy to get to. I am trying to find out if that company can hook me up.

And I want braided stainless lines also, not the rubber lines the lesser kits have. And some hot chocolate. And some goddamn pecan pie. :-)

Research Pall filters. I've used thousands of them in critical applications. Shouldn't cost you more than a Icon suspension... every time you change the oil lol. You want the best then there it is.
 
Some of the best advice my Dad ever gave me:

1) Buy a cheap tool, you buy it 10 times. Buy a good tool, you buy it once.
2) A good mechanic doesn't own a hammer.
3) Never crawl under a vehicle without a backup support device. The wheel you took off if nothing else.
4) No matter how good she looks, there is a guy somewhere that is sick of her shit AND....
5) Watch out where the huskies go and don't eat that yellow snow.

Man, I sure do miss him.

#5 Is your dad Frank Zappa? You Moonunit or Dweezil?
 

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