Spacers vs suspension lift?

RossCBoy

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Hey everyone!!
I' just recently picked up a 2014 4runner. Looking for a 3" lift kit. I don't know much about lifts at all. The local shop that I went to quoted me for spacers? How is the ride quality with spacers? I've been reading a lot of forums and everyone saying "don't waste your money". I've been looking into ICON and other coil over lifts.
Can you guys lend a hand and help me decide which is best lift for the money? I'm looking for ride quality on and off trail with something that won't cost an a and a leg.
Thanks you and I lol forward to everyone's response!!
 
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spacers are decent, give it the look but not so much performance. what type of off roading do you do? light, mild, hardcore? are you set on an adjustable type coilovers?
 
First of all, which trim 4runner do you have? Then ask yourself if you think you might get the mod bug. Many people on this forum started out with spacer lifts and regretted going that route after reading more and more threads.

Good luck and feel free to ask any questions as I have recommendations of shops in the south bay area.
 
There is a thread that touches on the more popular lift kits. If you really plan to offroad, the ride quality of a nice kit is well worth it. regardless of model a quality lift may even give a better on road ride. I will just throw out there that if you are budget minded consider some of the Toytec kits, great performance for a decent price. Many other options as well. IF you plan to beat up your truck offroad you will want to spend more on a better kit.

At 3" up front don't forget to factor in a new upper control arm so you can align the truck. And when you search for info here put "5th gen" in front of your search term to get better results. The more you read the more you can decide what is best for you over random recommendations.
 
why do you want that much lift? wanting 3 inches but not really knowing much about lifting (which is ok) leads me to believe you are more interested in cosmetics than function (which is ok). you are probably planning bigger tires etc

there is a sticked thread that basically just lists all the commonly available lifts for purchase, but does not provide any significant info on how to make the decision that is best for you. people often refer to it rather than type out something helpful.

if you are staying onroad and mellow trails (meaning not crawling rocks or doing anything remotely challenging beyond just a dit road with some inclination) then spacers are fine. it wont fix the 'softness" of the suspension most people in here are irritated by (nose dive, highway wandering and rolling in corners). it is true that spacers can compromise some of the function of your suspension (limiting or exagerating travel which can cause problems) read this:

http://www.bilsteinus.com/fileadmin/user_upload/user_upload_us/pdfs/Bil_LevShks_WebArticle_01.pdf

will you be susceptible to the issues outlined above? probably not if you never go offroad. if you do go offroad there is a chance you will be straining the limits of the suspension

icon? coilovers? pretty much overkill unless you actively particpate in a lot of 4x4ing as a passion. doesn't sound like your gig to me. they come with high a high price tag and a lot of maintenance. you will have to know how to wrench on your vehicle or want to learn.


to me the most sensible thing is to lift and improve at the same time at a reasonable cost. the most popular method for people like me (and probably you) who want cosmetic improvement and some increased function is a combination of bilstein 5100 shocks all around and new springs or spacers in the rear.

the front 5100's are adjustable and will provide 0.85, 1.75 or 2.5 inches of lift. the rear 5100s dont provide any lift, but will improve the ride/handling and will be compatible with something that will give you lift in the back (springs or spacers). you could save some money by using stock shocks in the backs with new springs or spacers.

if i was you i'd go new bilsteins all around, at 2.5 in the front with your stock springs, and get 2 inch lifting springs for the back with blisteins. all this stuff is available at

4Runner 10 & Up

conventional wisdom is that at 3 inches you need new upper control arms (UCA's) in order to be able to get within alignment specs. this mostly has to do with castor. castor is like trail on a bike, if you don't have enough castor the vehicle may drive like you have to constantly correct it at higher speeds like on the highway. more castor makes it feel a bit more stable.

i just wanted a mild lift. i don't do any chanllenging offroad stuff, and i don't have 33 inch tires to fill up the wheel wells. i have to cross the occasional snowy ditch, and do access some remote(ish) areas for fishing and camping. i went with 1.75 lift on the front and 1.5 inches on the back with spacers and new shocks. if i went any higher i think it would look goofy with the stock tire size. i might go up to 275's and some point. i also use 1.25 inch spidertrax spacers for a wider stance.
 
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That was a beautiful write up jasonv. Seriously. You should copy and paste that into a Word doc for the next new member who needs a good explanation of what to look for. It will save you some typing next time. :thumb3:

And no there is no condescension intended in this reply. It's a serious suggestion.
 
Thankyou, JasonV"
Excellent intro to modest lifts - clear and concise!
Much, much more useful to the un- initiated than being yelled at, told to do a proper search, or being referred to a list of lift kits. (Not knocking the list, it is very useful, but it doesn't help you make up your mind until you know more about lifts in general.)

Kudos, Jason - most helpful post I have read in quite a while! :hatsoff:
 
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Question:
If I follow your advice, with Bilsteins and 2" lift rear springs, would you still recommend air bags in those springs for towing?
Or, will the higher spring rate take care of the extra tongue weight, without the need for air bags?
 
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Question:
If I follow your advise, with Bilsteins and 2" lift rear springs, would you still recommend air bags in those springs for towing?
Or, will the higher spring rate take care of the extra tongue weight, without the need for air bags?

The initial rake on a stock 4Runner is there so when you tow, the back end drops from tongue weight and now you are basically level.

If you lift your vehicle and still keep the rake (rear higher than front) then you would be fine for towing with no bags.

If you lift to "level" (front and rear same height unloaded) and you tow then the back will drop from tongue weight and you will have a reverse rake (front higher than back) and your headlights will blind oncoming traffic. NOW is when airbags will be needed.
 
1E to the rescue! (again)

Thanks, 1engineer. After my last post, I continued researching (note, the word search is in there), and I had pretty much come to the same conclusion, and I was going to withdraw my question.

I think the main advantage to air bags in this situation is to adjust for variable loads in/on the back of my truck.

The other problem I am coming up against, is that I only want a very modest lift, and most of the rear spring upgrades give a 3" lift. I will want/need a higher spring rate in the rear, but only a 1.5 - -2" lift. I believe Toytec has me covered there.

MUTOTWA ! (Most Useful Thread of the Week Award) :hatsoff:
 

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