Steering wheel vibration Poll

Have/had steering wheel vibration?


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Not sure if it was mentioned here before.

After driving on some hard pack roads I noticed a tire imbalance on regular roads soon after. Noticed my tires picked up a bunch of small stones wedged into the grooves.

Removed all the stones I could see and the imbalance went away for the most part.
 
Not sure if it was mentioned here before.

After driving on some hard pack roads I noticed a tire imbalance on regular roads soon after. Noticed my tires picked up a bunch of small stones wedged into the grooves.

Removed all the stones I could see and the imbalance went away for the most part.

i noticed this as well, but i still have my wobble only in the morning when i first start driving
 
2016 trail w/ kdss.
I had a really bad vibration in the steering wheel even when I first bought the truck. I tried rebalancing tires and alignment by multiple Toyota shops. Nothing made it better and some places made it worse.
I upgraded my tires and suspension to ko2 and toytec boss and I went to an Offroad shop for the install. They also did an alignment and balance and they did it right! No wobble at any speed, rides great.

Has anyone else tried to go to a shop that specializes in Offroad?


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i noticed this as well, but i still have my wobble only in the morning when i first start driving

OK, I have that too on hot days in the summer to some minor extent.

The tires flat spot from sitting for a prolonged period of time and after driving for a few miles it starts to settle out.

I remember when I was younger and I had Dunlops on an Autocross car of mine that were terrible in this respect, I purchased these rubber pads through a magazine -you know, the back ad pages- that helped alleviate the situation or stored the car on jack stands.
 
I just started recently having this issue on my '16 SR5.

I have less then 5k miles on it
TRD suspension upgrade
TRD rims
stock tires
TRD brakes
TRD skid plate
I never drove it on stock rims, suspension or brakes.

Vibration issue starts mildly at 50MPH. picks up very bad at 60MPH+

I did not start having this issue, until I took it in to have them look at a massive squealing I had coming from front drivers side wheel.

They repack the barring and center hub (off center) they stated.

She goes back in tomorrow the master mechanics and Toyota mechanic rep will be looking at it. Will update when they update me.

**** update ****
Picked up yesterday. When I dropped it off again, I made the master mechanic and service center supervisor ride with.
They did extensive rebalancing test, road tested, re balanced, road tested again, rebalancing again. Road tested a 3rd Wahoo fixed.

The only thing I can think of is the tires aren't the best coming from the factory, or the dealership didn't balance my tires when they put them on the TRD rims.

Took her up to speed, drives smoother then the day I picked it up.
 
Jumping on the bandwagon. Purchased a brand new 2016 TEP w/KDSS a little over a month ago. A week after purchase, I had the dealer swap my wheels out for TRD Pro wheels but kept the factory Dunlop GrandTreks. Been getting the intermittent vibration after two rebalances and swapping wheels front to back. Taking it in to a tire shop today for a road force balance. Crossing my fingers this resolves it.
 
Jumping on the bandwagon. Purchased a brand new 2016 TEP w/KDSS a little over a month ago. A week after purchase, I had the dealer swap my wheels out for TRD Pro wheels but kept the factory Dunlop GrandTreks. Been getting the intermittent vibration after two rebalances and swapping wheels front to back. Taking it in to a tire shop today for a road force balance. Crossing my fingers this resolves it.

That should fix it. I personally think those stock tires are bad setup for 4runner
 
That should fix it. I personally think those stock tires are bad setup for 4runner

I think it did. I've only felt the vibration once since then, and it was on a patch of road I always felt it on before. So, I'm thinking that patch of road is suspect, and the issue is resolved.
 
New 2016 SR5 - drove off the lot with a couple miles on the ODO, now just finishing up the 1000-mile break-in period, and the truck has been very stable, no unexpected steering issues other than it handles like the truck that it is. This is not a BMW, and I knew that when I bought it. I don't drive crazy fast, but so far 60-70 MPH is very smooth and stable, no vibration. Will report back if things change.
 
I don't really feel too much vibration in steering wheel, but my hood looks like it is going to vibrate off the truck sometimes. It just looks like in the center rear of the hood (close to the windshield wipers) that the hood is just not very stable or something. Curious if anyone else notices this while driving.
 
I don't really feel too much vibration in steering wheel, but my hood looks like it is going to vibrate off the truck sometimes. It just looks like in the center rear of the hood (close to the windshield wipers) that the hood is just not very stable or something. Curious if anyone else notices this while driving.


I notice the hood wobble on my TRD Pro. It's a brick flying through the air at 80 mph. I expect some wobble. It's not that aerodynamic of a vehicle.
 
intermittant wobble

I noticed a wobble at around 60mph when I first got my TRD Pro but it was intermittant. My father-in-laws 2016 Limited has no wobble at all.

I noticed that the wobble is now much less noticeable after about 1500 miles so I can't imagine it has to do with the tire balancing.
 
I not sure that the vibration (in my case) can be attributed to the tires (Cooper AT3). The other morning, I noticed that the vibration appears to be intermittent. Driving over a long patch of newly paved road, the vibration was apparent, but then seemed to go away. I maintained a speed of 65 mph throughout. I would think if the vibration was due to imbalanced/imperfect tires, the vibration would have been pretty consistent.

As far as hood flex, there are two adjusters underneath the front of the hood that can be used to adjust the gap (and the flex). I have no noticeable flex in my hood while driving at highway speeds after adjusting these.
 
Mine does it occasionally at around 60 mph as well. I was noticing that it happens after wheeling and collecting a bunch of mud and debris in the wheels.
Maybe that could impact the driving experience?
 
My '16 TRD Pro came with out-of-balance Nittos on black TRD rims. Steering wheel vibration at 60 mph.

The solution should have been a one-time Road Force balance, but the idiot dealer service rep and techs let my truck sit in the parking lot in the freezing cold for 3 hours before pulling it straight into the service bay. In a nutshell, these geniuses balanced my wheels while the tires had flat spots from sitting. Once the wheels were back on and I was driving home, the flat spots leveled out and suddenly the wheels were out of balance.

I took it back and explained to them they need to drive the truck for 10-15 miles to warm up the tires before they perform the balance so as to remove any flat spots. They said it shouldn't matter and did another Road Force balance after letting it sit in the lot for an hour. Same vibration problem afterward.

Afterward I decided to just live with the vibration until eventually I found an indie shop with a Road Force balancer. On a 90 degree day in July, I drove about 20 miles to the shop and made sure they pulled the truck in right away and pop the wheels off immediately. After the Road Force, no vibration.
 
I have had a intermittent wobble since taking delivery of my 2016 TEP. The dealer recently did a road force balance but the problem is still there. I talked to the service director today. He said he talked with Toyota and they basically said that the vibration is characteristic of the vehicle. He did however get them to cover to a new set of tires and another balance. I have the Dunlops and he claims that these are problematic.

He was trying to push the OEM Bridgestone Duelers since Toyota highly recommend them. I asked if I could choose what tire and pay the difference if there was one. He said it has to be a OEM tire but said he would let me pick from the following:

Bridgestone Dueler H/T
Goodyear Wrangler AT/S
Michelin Defender LTX MS

I ran Michelin LTX M/S2 on my 08 SR5 and liked them other than the dry rot after 50k. However I worry that the Michelins they are offering will look too tame on the TEP. I obviously want the streering wheel vibration to be solved but looks do matter.

Any thoughts on what tires I should try?
 
I have had a intermittent wobble since taking delivery of my 2016 TEP. The dealer recently did a road force balance but the problem is still there. I talked to the service director today. He said he talked with Toyota and they basically said that the vibration is characteristic of the vehicle. He did however get them to cover to a new set of tires and another balance. I have the Dunlops and he claims that these are problematic.

He was trying to push the OEM Bridgestone Duelers since Toyota highly recommend them. I asked if I could choose what tire and pay the difference if there was one. He said it has to be a OEM tire but said he would let me pick from the following:

Bridgestone Dueler H/T
Goodyear Wrangler AT/S
Michelin Defender LTX MS

I ran Michelin LTX M/S2 on my 08 SR5 and liked them other than the dry rot after 50k. However I worry that the Michelins they are offering will look too tame on the TEP. I obviously want the streering wheel vibration to be solved but looks do matter.

Any thoughts on what tires I should try?

"Characteristic of the vehicle" is official Toyota speak for "We know it's a problem, but don't know how to fix it." They say that specifically to avoid lemon law issues....I went through it with my Tacoma for a year with Toyota corporate and litigation.

As for the 3 choices you listed, I'd choose the Defenders by a long shot. I put them on my 4Runner (Coincidentally, due to a constant vibration with the old junk tires), and couldn't be happier with them.

Sure I love the looks of more aggressive tires, but for my uses, I don't need them, and I'm not willing to take all the negatives that they come with just for looks.
 
Currently going through this wobble issue at around 19k on a 2015 Trail with TRD wheels and KO2s. Initial balance was great but now having problems getting it to stay in balance after the last two balance/rotations.

Just drove it home from the Tire shop and there is still a little vibration but much better. If the vibration comes back I'm going to Toyota dealer and see what they say. I suspect they won't be much help.

I still have a set of Trail wheels so my next attempt will be to put those back on with the current tires and see how that rides.
 
Long time lurker first time poster, I also have this issue… I have a 2012 4x2 Limited that has been problematic since the purchase. Here my story and some of the things that I am currently doing in attempt to resolve this once and for all.

I bought by truck with 8 miles in October of 2012. During the test drive when I took it onto the freeway, there was a vibration. Sale guy said it was due to the truck sitting on the lot for an extended period of time and that it would go away once the tires warmed up. Not wanting to break anything I got off the freeway and accept the answer. Ended up purchasing the truck with the stipulation that the vibration needed to be fixed. 6 hours in the “detail” department, I took it home. The vibration was still there, the intensity had been reduced. I was so excited that I accepted it and moved on with my life.

During the “Toyota Care” phase, each time I brought it in I mentioned the steering wheel vibration. Each time the root cause was “nature of the vehicle”. Fast forward to 30k and I bought it in specifically for the issue as it was getting worse. The conclusion was that a serial tag sticker on some part was causing the issue and by remove the sticker the issue was “fixed”. Took it home and still had the issue.

Fast forward to 40k miles and I was in Austin, TX on one of the toll roads doing 85 mph (legal speed limit). Got into a cross wind situation with the wagon wheels that the Limiteds have and decided that 245s were not going to cut it anymore. Upgraded to new wheels and Michelin MS/2 275s. Even after the upgrade, the same vibration.

Fast forward to now, 53k and I am sick and tired of it. What I am experiencing is a “flutter” that occurs between 55 and 70 and it intermittent. It does not change the ride of the vehicle, but the steering wheel shakes. It feels like the old Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback steering wheels…

In the last 6 months I have had the wheels/tires balanced 13 times, 4 road force balances on GSP9700s, used the Haweka adapter,… Each time the wheels balance beautifully, but still the vibration. Discount Tire, Goodyear Tire and Toyota have been involved in this process as well. Discount Tire is the one who sold me the wheels/tires and they replace the M/S2s with brand new Defender LTX MS tires just to make sure it was not the tires. Still the vibration continues...

Last Friday I took the truck into my local Toyota dealer and asked to speak to the head mechanic. We took a test drive together and he was surprised to hear the history of the truck. He first gave the default answer of “it is the wheels/tires because they are after market”. He offered to put stock limited wheels on and see if that would solve the issue. I agreed and told him that if it fixed the issue I would buy the rims/tires. He pulls around a brand new 2017 Limited and swaps the wheels/tires on to my truck. Off we go on the test drive… still vibrates. We concluded that a case with Toyota “engineering” was needed to see if this is a known problem. I mentioned the TSB for the GX460 2010-2012 and got nothing.

Come back the next day and drop the truck off so that the case can be opened. Usual song and dance… it is the after market wheels/tires. Reminded him of yesterday (stock wheels/tires) and the default answer comes back from “engineering”… not a known issue, “nature of the vehicle”.

This really pisses me off. I asked him to hook up the techstream and pull the live telemetry from the vehicle when the issue is occurring. Since “engineering” didn't recommend that it was going to cost me $149 to do that. I immediately called Toyota Customer Care and had them open a case before the truck left the dealer. Once the case was opened, got in and drove off.

My suspicion was that there was something in the software of the truck that was causing the issue. Mechanically the truck is sound and does not ride rough at all when the steering wheel is vibrating. The “flutter” feels forced, manufactured and can disappear.

So that is my story… here is what I am doing now.

I got my hands on a techstream and was able to get the data that I was looking for. What I am noticing is that if there is a difference between the steering rack sensor (Steering Angle Value) and the actual steering wheel (Steering Angle Sensor) of more than 1.2-1.5* the vibration occurs between 55 and 70mph. After 70mph the alignment specs seem to kick in and help to center the wheels. I can also correct the issue while driving if I am able to get the differential between these two values to below 1.5*.

Note the speed values are km/h not mph. 88=55mph

Vibration occurring

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No vibration

NRunYOw.png


To me this seems to be software related within the vehicle itself. Looking at the GX460 TSB, I suspect that Toyota is placing a mechanical fix to reduce the differential between these two sensors when the vehicle is between 55 and 70, helping steering rack center. I am not sure if there is a US Federal mandate for electronic steering feedback in the event that the steering wheel angle does not match the rack position. My thought is that the computer is trying to nudge the rack to align with the steering wheel position.

Here are my alignment specs.

tBvxM23.png


Waiting to see what Toyota comes back with from the customer care case. To their defense they don't have this data yet, but will provide it to them when they call. Work for Toyota? PM me and lets talk.

Any thoughts?
 
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Long time lurker first time poster, I also have this issue… I have a 2012 4x2 Limited that has been problematic since the purchase. Here my story and some of the things that I am currently doing in attempt to resolve this once and for all.

I bought by truck with 8 miles in October of 2012. During the test drive when I took it onto the freeway, there was a vibration. Sale guy said it was due to the truck sitting on the lot for an extended period of time and that it would go away once the tires warmed up. Not wanting to break anything I got off the freeway and accept the answer. Ended up purchasing the truck with the stipulation that the vibration needed to be fixed. 6 hours in the “detail” department, I took it home. The vibration was still there, the intensity had been reduced. I was so excited that I accepted it and moved on with my life.

During the “Toyota Care” phase, each time I brought it in I mentioned the steering wheel vibration. Each time the root cause was “nature of the vehicle”. Fast forward to 30k and I bought it in specifically for the issue as it was getting worse. The conclusion was that a serial tag sticker on some part was causing the issue and by remove the sticker the issue was “fixed”. Took it home and still had the issue.

Fast forward to 40k miles and I was in Austin, TX on one of the toll roads doing 85 mph (legal speed limit). Got into a cross wind situation with the wagon wheels that the Limiteds have and decided that 245s were not going to cut it anymore. Upgraded to new wheels and Michelin MS/2 275s. Even after the upgrade, the same vibration.

Fast forward to now, 53k and I am sick and tired of it. What I am experiencing is a “flutter” that occurs between 55 and 70 and it intermittent. It does not change the ride of the vehicle, but the steering wheel shakes. It feels like the old Microsoft Sidewinder force feedback steering wheels…

In the last 6 months I have had the wheels/tires balanced 13 times, 4 road force balances on GSP9700s, used the Haweka adapter,… Each time the wheels balance beautifully, but still the vibration. Discount Tire, Goodyear Tire and Toyota have been involved in this process as well. Discount Tire is the one who sold me the wheels/tires and they replace the M/S2s with brand new Defender LTX MS tires just to make sure it was not the tires. Still the vibration continues...

Last Friday I took the truck into my local Toyota dealer and asked to speak to the head mechanic. We took a test drive together and he was surprised to hear the history of the truck. He first gave the default answer of “it is the wheels/tires because they are after market”. He offered to put stock limited wheels on and see if that would solve the issue. I agreed and told him that if it fixed the issue I would buy the rims/tires. He pulls around a brand new 2017 Limited and swaps the wheels/tires on to my truck. Off we go on the test drive… still vibrates. We concluded that a case with Toyota “engineering” was needed to see if this is a known problem. I mentioned the TSB for the GX460 2010-2012 and got nothing.

Come back the next day and drop the truck off so that the case can be opened. Usual song and dance… it is the after market wheels/tires. Reminded him of yesterday (stock wheels/tires) and the default answer comes back from “engineering”… not a known issue, “nature of the vehicle”.

This really pisses me off. I asked him to hook up the techstream and pull the live telemetry from the vehicle when the issue is occurring. Since “engineering” didn't recommend that it was going to cost me $149 to do that. I immediately called Toyota Customer Care and had them open a case before the truck left the dealer. Once the case was opened, got in and drove off.

My suspicion was that there was something in the software of the truck that was causing the issue. Mechanically the truck is sound and does not ride rough at all when the steering wheel is vibrating. The “flutter” feels forced, manufactured and can disappear.

So that is my story… here is what I am doing now.

I got my hands on a techstream and was able to get the data that I was looking for. What I am noticing is that if there is a difference between the steering rack sensor (Steering Angle Value) and the actual steering wheel (Steering Angle Sensor) of more than 1.2-1.5* the vibration occurs between 55 and 70mph. After 70mph the alignment specs seem to kick in and help to center the wheels. I can also correct the issue while driving if I am able to get the differential between these two values to below 1.5*.

Note the speed values are km/h not mph. 88=55mph

Vibration occurring

epUFBB9.png


No vibration

NRunYOw.png


To me this seems to be software related within the vehicle itself. Looking at the GX460 TSB, I suspect that Toyota is placing a mechanical fix to reduce the differential between these two sensors when the vehicle is between 55 and 70, helping steering rack center. I am not sure if there is a US Federal mandate for electronic steering feedback in the event that the steering wheel angle does not match the rack position. My thought is that the computer is trying to nudge the rack to align with the steering wheel position.

Here are my alignment specs.

tBvxM23.png


Waiting to see what Toyota comes back with from the customer care case. To their defense they don't have this data yet, but will provide it to them when they call. Work for Toyota? PM me and lets talk.

Any thoughts?
And a $180B company can not figure this out? My point is not sure why you the customer needs to resolve this. They know a fix, because they did it on the Lexus version. My guess is if it was fixable via software it would be done by now, download are cheap compared to modifying steering racks. Best of luck to you.

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