Stoopid question of the Day Award: Upgrading a '99 2WD to 4x4

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Stoopid Question of the Day Award: Upgrading a '99 2WD to 4x4

I'll probably lose Rep Power points for just asking, but is this feasibly possible?
 
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Very possible, but probably cheaper to go find a 4x4 and buy it, unless of course you are just into diy.
 
I'll probably lose Rep Power points for just asking, but is this feasibly possible?

i was looking into this earlier this year, i had a 97 and all signs pointed to its possible but a pain in the ass. the guy i seen that completed it said he wouldnt have done it had he not had an emotional attatchment to the runner. so i ended up just selling mine and buying a 4x4. super happy with it
 
Several people on here have converted to 4WD. A lot of work and some money involved. Most only do it because of a maddening attachment to their 2WD runner.


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Hey, lots of things seem stupid to others. For example, roof top tents, to an RVer. Or spending 1/10 the value of our vehicle on projector headlights, then sticking that damn things in the oven.

I could convert to 4wd and not spend a ridiculous amount, but I can do it all myself and I know what needs to be done. That still doesn't mean I should, but I could. I ended up buying a 99 4wd, and gave the 2wd to my wife, which she wanted anyway.

Of course I would love to do a solid axle conversion at some point. But for me, it would probably mean yet another 3rd gen so I can keep on as a driver.

The real question here is... Do you really want to do it?
 
Well, I am quite fond of my '99 2WD, and if it magically became a 4x4 I'd be none the happier; but its my daily driver with 213K (got it with 67K on it). I know all the issues, and it's service history, so I'm keen to keep it because it's the devil I know.

I know I could probably do the conversion, but I can't afford to be down for as long ad it would take to figure it out. And in all honesty, I don't NEED a 4X4, but I've never not had one till now.

I have a '59 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup with a solid axle, so I can easily convert that to a 4x4 using '85 Toyota axles, or 3/4 ton K-series Chevy axles - but that truck will never go the distance my runner does.

Smartest thing seems to upgrade to a '99-2001 4x4 and sell my 2WD; someday.

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Well, I am quite fond of my '99 2WD, and if it magically became a 4x4 I'd be none the happier; but its my daily driver with 213K (got it with 67K on it). I know all the issues, and it's service history, so I'm keen to keep it because it's the devil I know.

I know I could probably do the conversion, but I can't afford to be down for as long ad it would take to figure it out. And in all honesty, I don't NEED a 4X4, but I've never not had one till now.

I have a '59 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup with a solid axle, so I can easily convert that to a 4x4 using '85 Toyota axles, or 3/4 ton K-series Chevy axles - but that truck will never go the distance my runner does.

Smartest thing seems to upgrade to a '99-2001 4x4 and sell my 2WD; someday.

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:hand: Don't sell it, you've had it all this time! Just add to the fleet. No real bargains here, but they do show up from time to time.

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With COB's build, I think it was so hard because he also swapped out his auto tranny for a manual, and all the wiring that goes along with it. Made it look super stock, but a pain in the a$$ to do. COB went way over the top, and I don't think it was all necessary.

If i'm not mistaken, all you NEED is a wrecked auto 4x4 that you can simply move parts over from. I THINK you can even keep your tranny (to keep the devil you know); just install the transfer case and shorter rear driveshaft . Front axles and front driveshaft, rear axle if the gears don't already match the front, gear shift setup, maybe a little bit of cutting in the floorboard for the new gearshift, but not much. The 4x4 ECM should be plug and play.
I don't think too much wiring involved.
I know the gauges are different from 2wd to 4wd, but I think it's simply more of a placement issue than an incompatibility issue.

Look for a wrecked 4x4 on an auto auction site and have it shipped to you, if too far to drive to.
I would think this could be a project for a long weekend, provided you make sure you have everything you need in advance.
 
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With COB's build, I think it was so hard because he also swapped out his auto tranny for a manual, and all the wiring that goes along with it. Made it look super stock, but a pain in the a$$ to do. COB went way over the top, and I don't think it was all necessary.

If i'm not mistaken, all you NEED is a wrecked auto 4x4 that you can simply move parts over from. I THINK you can even keep your tranny (to keep the devil you know); just install the transfer case and shorter rear driveshaft . Front axles and front driveshaft, rear axle if the gears don't already match the front, gear shift setup, maybe a little bit of cutting in the floorboard for the new gearshift, but not much. The 4x4 ECM should be plug and play.
I don't think too much wiring involved.
I know the gauges are different from 2wd to 4wd, but I think it's simply more of a placement issue than an incompatibility issue.

Look for a wrecked 4x4 on an auto auction site and have it shipped to you, if too far to drive to.
I would think this could be a project for a long weekend, provided you make sure you have everything you need in advance.

The auto trans on a 4x4 (if you're going stock for stock) is set up specifically for bolting directly to the transfer case. I don't think the case for the 4x2 auto trans allows for a direct bolt up to a stock t-case. You could go aftermarket.

Another hurdle is moving the transmission crossmember aft a few inches... involves cutting/welding. Or buying an aftermarket x-member (forget who sells them) and probably still having to weld.

Lastly you'd have to cut a larger hole in your transmission tunnel and affix the 4x4 auto shift assembly (as antleredruin mentioned above). And the interior trim.

Otherwise... piece of cake.

Worth it to convert? If you're DIY... it all depends on how much you value your time.
 
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The auto trans on a 4x4 (if you're going stock for stock) is set up specifically for bolting directly to the transfer case. I don't think the case for the 4x2 auto trans allows for a direct bolt up to a stock t-case. You could go aftermarket.

Another hurdle is moving the transmission crossmember aft a few inches... involves cutting/welding. Or buying an aftermarket x-member (forget who sells them) and probably still having to weld.

Lastly you'd have to cut a larger hole in your transmission tunnel and affix the 4x4 auto shift assembly (as antleredruin mentioned above). And the interior trim.

Otherwise... piece of cake.

Worth it to convert? If you're DIY... it all depends on how much you value your time.

Ok, so maybe a 'long weekend project' is a bit of a stretch. But the A340E (2wd) and the A340F (4wd) are pretty much the same thing; just needs the 4wd output shaft, filter, and pan swapped over. So both trannys have to be completely dropped and opened.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/132259-a340e-a340f-transmission-swap.html

I knew the output shaft had to come off to attach the T-case, I just didn't know what else.
I'm pretty sure that even some of the Jeep trannys are compatible with the proper bellhousing. You'd be surprised how many Auto makers use the same parts with their own 'proprietary spin' on them. Almost no one makes their own parts anymore; it's almost all outsourced. So if you look long and hard enough, most of the time you can get a completely OEM part from a completely different Make vehicle; it'll just have a different sticker.

I'd still prefer this to a completely unknown tranny.
Completely possible, just do your homework beforehand.
 
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Tacoma guys do it all the time. just need to source the parts from salvage yards. it's really easy to do, just takes time to gather parts.
 
So many 4x4 runners available, just doesn't make sense for the money. Can buy a cheapo 4x4 and put money into a lift, tires, etc.
 
What do you mean, for the money? That's the thing; find a totaled one for $1000+, move over what's needed, and part out the rest.
Value of time aside, you'll actually come out ahead.

And slightly off topic, but as far as value of time, I always look at my time being as valuable as whatever I make hourly; do the math if you're salary. If I make $25/hr (nice round number for math) then I work 4 hours to make $100 (not including taxes). Most mechanics charge around $100/hr just in labor; parts not included. So if I'm capable of doing a quality job myself in 4 or less hours that I KNOW would take a mechanic only 1 hour, then I'm technically ahead in terms of 'cost', and now I have learning experience. Hell, and if the mechanic takes 2 hours, I've saved that much more.
Obviously adjust the hourly rate and total number of hours as needed.

DIY projects are just that; DIY. If you pay someone else to do the work for you (minus tire mounting, alignments, and general things that require insanely expensive equipment to do properly) it's not worth it from a cost perspective, or a general DIY cred perspective. There's no way that a respectable mechanic will do the swap for under a few thousand bucks, and you'll have lost your nards along the way. You can no longer say, "I did it". But this was a *****y rant and I digress.
 
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Look for a wrecked 4x4 on an auto auction site and have it shipped to you, if too far to drive to.
I would think this could be a project for a long weekend, provided you make sure you have everything you need in advance.

I'd love to assemble a list of "everything you need" for this swap.

I'm seeing complete, running 4x4s between $2000 and $6500 where I imagine a wrecking yard is going to want somewhere in the middle for a trashed, complete 4Runner.

Realistically though, for 6 Grand I can buy a truck of my vintage with similar mileage; but who knows what problems.

EDIT: just saw three or four other replies that came in while I was drafting this

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I just did it not to long ago. Why, you ask? My 98 Taco ext-cab 4cy 5spd 4wd got taken from me(rear-ended and totalled) 2.5 years ago. I was all excited to get a 01-02 4wd double cab but two weeks after the accident, we found out baby #3 was on the way! Double cab dreams smashed but it was all good. We already had the 2000 2wd 4Runner but wanted a slightly bigger family vehicle so the insurance money funded a new to us 06 4wd Honda Pilot. I inherited the 4Runner and daily drove it for a year with my Taco wheels and 265's contemplating what to do. It was definitely not that spunky with the 265's and 3.73 gears.

After tons of research about swaps and also looking at selling the 2wd and buying a 4wd, I settled on doing the swap. Reasons were, I couldn't find suitable 4wd 4Runner to buy. I knew the history on our 4Runner since we were the second owners. It was also due to the fact that I wanted a 5spd 4Runner(missed my manual in the Taco) and those are really hard to find in my neck of the woods.:pout:

I have done plenty of car work including engine/transmission rebuilds, motor swaps, etc so the thought of doing the 4wd swap wasn't scary. After being patient, I found someone that had a wrecked '00 4Runner frame/drivetrain that they were parting out 3 hours away. After some driving, I got the complete rear axle, rear driveshaft and the complete front section of frame from the transmission forward for $375!:rockon:

After disassembling the donor parts from the frame and my 4Runner, it was all pretty much plug and play. You do have to cut the floor to install the new 4wd shifter asy since the 2wd shifter is completely different. The next big modification is the transmission crossmember. I remember seeing that the Trail Gear Tacoma single transfer case crossmember worked on the 4Runner from a SAS build on pirate4x4 so I ordered one up. Pricey but it was bolt on and now I have some extra underbody protection after cutting out the stock crossmember. Just had to measure twice before drilling holes in my frame. You will also have to modify the exhaust bracket that attaches to the stock crossmember. Just heat and bend to connect to the frame instead.

Also, most of the wiring is there for the 4wd lights and relay. After tracing wires and studying the wiring diagrams(I paid the $12 for a 3 day pass to the Toyota Tech Info site and downloaded what I needed), I only had to attach/solder 5 wires! The 4wd light works and the front diff engages. I didn't bother with all the other transfer case switches since they aren't really needed. You only need to connect wires to the 4wd position switch to engage the front ADD actuator.

And yes, the 4wd drive works like it should and my 4Runner still drives just fine. The transmission plugs are identical between the a340e and a340f so it shifts like it did before. It just has a transfercase hanging off the back. The only thing that I haven't fixed is the speedometer. It is driven off of the abs sensors so going from 235/75R15's to 265/75R16's makes it read about 5 mph low but I can live with that at the moment.

All in all, it took about 2-3 weeks since I did the majority of the work myself. Plus, I did new rear axle bearings/seals and new upper & lower ball joints which added more time. Probably could have done just the 4wd swap in two full weekends with some extra help.

Final tally on money spent was around $800. Was it a good amount of work, yes. Would I do it again? Absolutely! If you can't find the right 4Runner to buy, build your own!

Sorry for the novel...... but do it! :bigok: You won't regret it.
 
Tacoma guys do it all the time. just need to source the parts from salvage yards. it's really easy to do, just takes time to gather parts.

The Tacoma prerunner shifter setup already has the correct hole in the body so the 4wd shifter just drops in. The 2wd 4Runner does not so you get to cut and modify.

The 2wd 4Runner transmission crossmember is not in the correct position. You can either modify the stock to work or you can get the Trail Gear Tacoma single transfercase crossmember kit. I went with the Trail Gear crossmember and am very happy with the results.

So yes, the Tacoma guys do it but it is practically bolt on for them.
 
I'd love to assemble a list of "everything you need" for this swap.

I'm seeing complete, running 4x4s between $2000 and $6500 where I imagine a wrecking yard is going to want somewhere in the middle for a trashed, complete 4Runner.

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Start looking on online vehicle auctions. You can get some great deals, with maybe $3-400 shipping if you can't pick up in person. Not 4x4, but I've personally seen some wrecked 4runners sell for around $1000 (including auction site fees). Surely 4x4 wouldn't be that much more.
 

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