StreetCreeper's Thread About StreetCreeper Stuff and Other Weird/Random Shit

I also recently changed my thermostat, but like Shooter, I don't know if the factory thermostat was changed when the previous owners paid to get the timing belt and water pump replaced. However, mine was at around the 3 o'clock position when I removed it. I was monitoring my coolant temps before and after the thermostat change and I can attest there is no difference in my coolant temps due to the different jiggle valve positions, 3 o'clock vs 6 o'clock.

The jiggle valve doesn't look like much of an engineering marvel and I'm wondering how the position of it could alter the coolant temps anyway. It would be cool if somebody has a technical explanation how the jiggle valve does it's thing.

I just answered my own question. I did a quick search and the purpose of the jiggle valve on the thermostat is to let trapped air out of the system after you've drained the coolant and refilled it. With that knowledge, it would seem the 12 o'clock position would make more sense since air rises. But, once you heat up the engine to operating temperature and the thermostat opens, I would assume the air would work itself out anyway.
 
So yesterday was day two of the cooling system overhaul. Day one consisted of replacing the fan clutch.

My reasoning for doing it in two days are as follows:

1) I'm lazy.

2) I didn't want to wait for the coolant to cool down again.

3) While I wanted to replace everything for peace of mind, I also really wanted to try and isolate what was causing the high coolant temps. I knew that if I did everything at once, It would be difficult to pinpoint what piece or pieces had the most impact on the temp.

Since I was fairly certain the high temps were mostly caused by the fan clutch, I decided to separate the two repairs.

After the fan clutch was replaced, temps went to normal and stayed there.

So the fan clutch was 100% the problem. Strange thing about it though is that the clutch seemed fine according to conventional wisdom. It engaged and disengaged, I could not stop it with a rolled up newspaper when the engine was hot — yet could stop it easily with my bare hands when the engine was cold. With engine stopped - the fan would spin a couple inchesif i tried spinning it by hand; it did not freewheel and yet was not overly stiff either.

Even when I pulled the old clutch and compared the resistance of the two while turning them in my hands — they felt identical. Nor did I see any obvious wear after 20 years and 400k miles. Dirty yes — obviously damaged or worn out — no.

But alas, the numbers don't lie — the fan clutch was bad.

So day two consisted of reducing the probability of the infamous pink milkshake. I've gone back & forth in my mind about adding an external cooler for the tranny. I even have one that's been waiting on me to use it. Been sitting in the box for about a year now.

I decided I'll use it but first wanted to replace the radiator. I don't see the point in adding a new external cooler to an old radiator.

So I pulled the old radiator out and it actually looks decent. It certainly ran well once I had a new fan clutch. Looking in from the top, the insides are shiny and clean. Outside was a tad grungy though.

I was too lazy to remove the grill so I grabbed a long wobble socket extension and had no issue getting to the bolts.





Here is a comparison of the old "unknown brand" with the new Spectra brand #CU1998 that I picked up from Pepboys for about $103 out the door.



Before installing the Spectra radiator.



Before installing the radiator, I pulled the thermostat. This is where those cheapy HF stubby ratchets come in handy.



I should add that I'm a dumbass and was so consumed by the original thermostat and it's orientation that I failed to notice that there is a wire bracket that mounts to the bolt. I think when I pulled the tstat off, the bracket sorta flopped back onto the bolt. So when I reinstalled, the bracket was in the way but I didn't notice it...like a dumbass.



So of course everything was just about finished and I was pouring in the coolant when I heard what sounded like Niagra Falls under my truck. Luckily I still had the bucket underneath from when I pulled off the tstat.

Lesson learned.

I pulled it all off again because one of the nuts was starting to round a little from the crappy angles and I didn't need that problem again. So I removed everything including the fan so I could get a decent angle on that nut before I rounded it off.



Once I got it all reinstalled, I filled her up with Prestone green antifreeze. Sure I'd like to run Toyota red, but I decided to stay green for several reasons. The previous owner had green in there already and Toyota didn't ship it with red when it was new. Plus I didn't want any chance of mixing old fluid colors. Lastly, it made it 400,000 miles on green — so I figured I was good to go.

Finally got her all put back together. There is one critical step you don't want to forget about here. That is to replace the transmission fluid lost from when the cooler lines were disconnected. I lost about 20 ounces of fluid Andreas's with me crimping the rubber lines to halt the flow.



So once I burped the system and made sure nothing was leaking, I took it out for a spin. Coolant temp parked itself at 190 while driving with the A/C on max.

As before, I waited until the truck was fully warmed up and then sat idling with the a/c on max and marked the time & temps.

Started at 5:40pm with an outside air temp of only 93 degrees. (Not the 99-100* from before, but it will have to do for now.)

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After ten minutes the coolant temp went down to 188*. It had actually gone down to 188* with in 1 minute of idling and it never moved again.



The most interesting thing was that the original thermostat was placed at 1 o'clock by the factory, and I verified that it let the truck idle in 99* air temps with the A/C on — at 186*. When I replaced the thermostat with an OEM Toyota one, it actually went up by two degrees to 188*

Splitting hairs I know, but interesting none the less. One possible explanation for the increase by two degrees is that in the fan clutch test, I used straight distilled water and in the final test, I used 70/30 antifreeze mix.

Regardless though, it's all working as it should.

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That's weird... My first timing belt change was done at the dealership, before I owned the truck; I don't know if the factory tstat was changed. I recently changed out my tstat and my jiggle pin was at about 1-130 just like yours. I don't have a Scangauge so I don't know what the temps were.

I also recently changed my thermostat, but like Shooter, I don't know if the factory thermostat was changed when the previous owners paid to get the timing belt and water pump replaced. However, mine was at around the 3 o'clock position when I removed it. I was monitoring my coolant temps before and after the thermostat change and I can attest there is no difference in my coolant temps due to the different jiggle valve positions, 3 o'clock vs 6 o'clock.

The jiggle valve doesn't look like much of an engineering marvel and I'm wondering how the position of it could alter the coolant temps anyway. It would be cool if somebody has a technical explanation how the jiggle valve does it's thing.

Dammit Jim, I left my tin foil hat at the cleaners! This is something close to my heart! I've only done one of these when I did the timing belt on my wife's Tacoma. I didn't pay attention to where it was when it came out, but I put it back at 12:00 because that is conventional wisdom. It did overheat once, when the radiator cracked, but it doesn't run hot now. So of course I am not convinced either way. Boy do I need that hat!

:ranger:

I was able to see the date stamp on the original thermostat. Since my truck is a 1997, it was actually made in September of 1996. The date stamp on the thermostat was appropriately stamped "96 9" and the new one is "16 2".

You gotta love OEM stuff that is still working after 20 years and 400,000 miles.

Oh and free tinfoil hats for everyone!

 
Did you install the external trans cooler? If so, did you bypass the stock cooler in the radiator or did you run it in-series with the radiator cooler?
 
My 4runner runs cooler with the AC on. Four to ten degrees cooler (186-190) than in the winter (191-195).

My original t stat was put in the factory at the 4 o'clock position.

If you would have taken the tension off the drive belts before removing the fan clutch it would have been much easier to remove that last nut.
 
Now that summer is upon us, I'm preparing to overhaul the cooling system.

Since getting a Scangauge a few weeks ago, I've noticed that my cooling system is bordering on failure. I would never have know this however, if it weren't for the ScanGauge.

So thanks ScanGauge!

Since the factory in-dash temp gauge doesn't even move until the coolant is at least in the 230* range (maybe higher), it's literally impossible to even notice that your system could be failing until you have a more serious problem.

Interesting on the factory gauge. I've been worried that my engine is getting too hot. When wheeling it hard the hood get's hot enough to the touch that you can't keep your hand on it but my gauge doesn't move at all. I figured maybe that was normal, but now I'm thinking my cooling system needs some lovin. Do you know what temp is considered "overheating" on our 3.4 motors?
 
interesting on the factory gauge. I've been worried that my engine is getting too hot. When wheeling it hard the hood get's hot enough to the touch that you can't keep your hand on it but my gauge doesn't move at all. I figured maybe that was normal, but now i'm thinking my cooling system needs some lovin. Do you know what temp is considered "overheating" on our 3.4 motors?

220*f+ is the hairy danger zone on non-pressure cooling systems.
 
Subbing to this! Informative and also hilarious.

Just curious: If 220 is the level that overheating starts, what is the ideal operating temperature? Mine runs right in the middle, of the guage on the dash, but stays in the 197-203 range while driving. All this talk about the upper 180s has me wondering what would be ideal?

I suppose the answer to my question also depends on the use. If pulling a load or wheeling, you might want it to run cooler at idle than if just making a TBell run to increase the amount of buffer.

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My 4runner runs cooler with the AC on. Four to ten degrees cooler (186-190) than in the winter (191-195).

My original t stat was put in the factory at the 4 o'clock position.

If you would have taken the tension off the drive belts before removing the fan clutch it would have been much easier to remove that last nut.

I hadn't thought of that and I'm not sure if that's the procedure I did mine in. I think that is good advice.
 
I was able to see the date stamp on the original thermostat. Since my truck is a 1997, it was actually made in September of 1996. The date stamp on the thermostat was appropriately stamped "96 9" and the new one is "16 2".

You gotta love OEM stuff that is still working after 20 years and 400,000 miles.

Oh and free tinfoil hats for everyone!

I just checked and the thermostat I replaced was the original, marked "97 6".
 
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My 4runner runs cooler with the AC on. Four to ten degrees cooler (186-190) than in the winter (191-195).

My original t stat was put in the factory at the 4 o'clock position.

If you would have taken the tension off the drive belts before removing the fan clutch it would have been much easier to remove that last nut.

Yeah I think you are right. Just need a little extra room to get a good angle on the nut. Or maybe a shorter deep socket.

Interesting on the factory gauge. I've been worried that my engine is getting too hot. When wheeling it hard the hood get's hot enough to the touch that you can't keep your hand on it but my gauge doesn't move at all. I figured maybe that was normal, but now I'm thinking my cooling system needs some lovin. Do you know what temp is considered "overheating" on our 3.4 motors?
I don't quite know what temp is too hot in terms of doing damage. I do know that anything above 210 will have my full attention as to why, and anything above 225 would be very concerning to me. But that is not based on anything other than my experience. Perhaps others may know more about the specifics of our engines.


Subbing to this! Informative and also hilarious.

Just curious: If 220 is the level that overheating starts, what is the ideal operating temperature? Mine runs right in the middle, of the guage on the dash, but stays in the 197-203 range while driving. All this talk about the upper 180s has me wondering what would be ideal?

I suppose the answer to my question also depends on the use. If pulling a load or wheeling, you might want it to run cooler at idle than if just making a TBell run to increase the amount of buffer.

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I think the factory wanted these trucks to ride easy at about 190*~. Obviously they are capable of handling higher temps per certain conditions. I think the thing to look for is unusualy high temps when it should not be stressing the cooling system, e.g., 218 degree while just idling. That's not right, and the ScanGauge pointed it out to me. Now if I was pulling a mountain grade while hauling a trailer — 218* wouldn't concern me much at all.

I hadn't thought of that and I'm not sure if that's the procedure I did mine in. I think that is good advice.

Yeah I'm sure it would have made it easier to hit that nut at a better angle.
 
I think the factory wanted these trucks to ride easy at about 190*~. Obviously they are capable of handling higher temps per certain conditions. I think the thing to look for is unusualy high temps when it should not be stressing the cooling system, e.g., 218 degree while just idling. That's not right, and the ScanGauge pointed it out to me. Now if I was pulling a mountain grade while hauling a trailer — 218* wouldn't concern me much at all.

That makes perfect sense. I don't think I'm going to worry about it right now. I use dash command on my phone, which is pretty similar to a scanguage, so if I ever run in rough conditions, I'll make sure to keep an eye on it. I suppose it could also have a non-toyota tstat in it. Couple years ago, the tstat in a camry I had went bad, so I replaced it with the cheapest one from oreilly. The new one was shaped a little different, and caused it to run slightly warmer. So there's another reason to stick with Toyota parts.

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Now that my cooling system is working as it should, I've encountered a new phenomenon.

On the way to the store today, my nuts started to freeze...

My A/C was hitting 39*

I know that A/C exit temps depend largely on ambient air temps and humidity levels. I'm curious though what temps other regularly see?



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About 41F with 70% humidity and 90 degrees outside today. If you like the cold AC go kiss that new fan clutch and radiator.

My two 90s Acuras (Legend and Vigor) had the coldest ACs. Both were R12. The Vigor had a kerosene chemical substitute in the system that made it so cold that it blew ice. I miss R12.
 
About 41F with 70% humidity and 90 degrees outside today. If you like the cold AC go kiss that new fan clutch and radiator.

My two 90s Acuras (Legend and Vigor) had the coldest ACs. Both were R12. The Vigor had a kerosene chemical substitute in the system that made it so cold that it blew ice. I miss R12.

I had a Buick in high school with r12 and I recall one day while waiting at a stoplight, I noticed that I could see my breath in the air. It was very faint, but it was there. Middle of California summer too, though I don't recall how hot it was.
 
When a stupid-ass chainlink fence screws-up what would have been a pretty sweet shot of your truck.

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