Swap V6 clutch pedal assy for 4cyl?

[anniesball72]

Has anyone swapped the V6 clutch pedal assembly that required the bushings to be replaced all the time with the 4Cyl type?

 

[garrett1478]

i didn't realize they are different. do you have any pictures?

 

[anniesball72]

Pedal assy images

Link to 6cyl pedal assembly:
https://postimg.org/image/eah9p8rsx/

Link to 4cyl pedal assembly:
https://postimg.org/image/5qxvrhjgh/

They use two different types of return spring. The 6cyl assembly bushing always need to be replaced.

 

[Chuckles89]

I took out the fancy spring on mine and replaced it with the Tacoma style linear spring. The holes to hook it are already there on the regular V6 one.

 

[anniesball72]

Pedal

I like that! Thanks!

 

[foo]

Has anyone swapped the V6 clutch pedal assembly that required the bushings to be replaced all the time with the 4Cyl type?

I wish I had never seen this thread, because it led me astray when I was working on a squeaky sticking clutch pedal repair last week.

As far as I can tell, at least for the 97 4Runner, the 4-cylinder clutch pedal assembly is exactly the same as the 6-cylinder clutch pedal assembly:

This means the 4-cylinder clutch pedal assembly has the same problems with the squeaky P bushing and damaged Q bushings.

i didn't realize they are different. do you have any pictures?

Link to 6cyl pedal assembly:
https://postimg.org/image/eah9p8rsx/

Link to 4cyl pedal assembly:
https://postimg.org/image/5qxvrhjgh/

They use two different types of return spring. The 6cyl assembly bushing always need to be replaced.

Unfortunately, those diagrams are apparently NOT accurate for the 4-cylinder 97 4Runner, which uses the same QPQ bushing double-coil torsion spring setup as in the 6-cylinder diagram above:

I took out the fancy spring on mine and replaced it with the Tacoma style linear spring. The holes to hook it are already there on the regular V6 one.

In the 4-cylinder 97 4Runner, I also found both the upper and lower tabs to already be there, unused and waiting for a *clutch* spring replacement.

IMHO, you should not use a hardware store #70 spring if you care about perfection because it will contact the clutch bracket when the pedal is depressed:

Nor should you use a large-coil diameter Toyota brake pedal return spring, because it will contact in one and sometimes two places depending on the length of the long arm and the width of the coils:

We covered this in detail in the recent thread on that topic, so please refer to that thread for complete details sufficient to do the job to perfection.

 

[Scramble]

very interesting, my 99 4cyl spring is squeaking, It's on the to-do list.....

 

[foo]

very interesting, my 99 4cyl spring is squeaking, It's on the to-do list.....

I think, based on the very little that I know, that within a single year or two, EVERYONE has their P-bushing destroyed.

Then you have metal on metal, but, everything works fine otherwise, for a really long time (many more years, maybe even 10 or so); but eventually, the geometry changes such that the angles are such that the clutch pedal begins to stick.

The main problem is that you can't easily see the missing P bushing (not the least of reasons being that it's no longer there most of the time). So what you have to do is get your cellphone camera up there, and snap maybe 20 pictures, until you get a good one of the metal-to-pedal interface.

Like this one I took last week:

That damage was probably 10 years in the making. Maybe fifteen years as the 4Runner has been in the family since it was born and the owner complained to the dealer early on, under warranty, about the squeak.