switched to mobil1 now puff of smoke when starting

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I picked up a 2008 v6 sport about a month ago.
It has 40,000 miles and seems to be in great shape.
I changed the oil a few days ago and used mobil 1 extended performance along with a mobil1 filter.
Ever since the oil change I am getting a noticeable puff of smoke when I start it up every once in a while.

I dont remember seeing that before the switch, wondering if I should go back to regular oil or maybe 50/50 mix.

Should I be concerned and change to a different type of oil ?

any ideas why that would be happening ?
 
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hahaha I wish I was imagining it but that is not the case.
It looks like smoke an not from condensation.
 
I have seen vehicles that switched to synthetic later in life having problems, however with your low mileage I would say more then likely the previous owner had not changed the oil in a very long time or your 4runner was just sitting alot. Low mileage doesnt always mean better condition, I had a vehicle come in a few years ago that had 35,000 miles on it and we changed the oil and just did a normal service it was smoking on start up and about a week later it blew up. Come to find out the owner had not done an oil change in over 20,000 miles.
Also what color is the smoke?
 
I don't know what your issue is but I do believe mobile 1 is not as good as they used to be. I won't go into details but I'm not a mobile 1 user anymore.

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You sound like my wife.... "I'm mad at you but I'm not telling you why..." :confused:
Lots of brand loyalty but product quality lowered. Happens all the time with products. With mobil1 the main thing they did differently than in the past is use more group III oils and less group IV. It made their product more profitable so you can't blame them. I think there are much better synthetics out there.
 
You sound like my wife.... "I'm mad at you but I'm not telling you why..." :confused:

[threadjack]
Silver is correct, Mobil 1 essentially downgraded the formula to a point that (most/all of) their oil is now Group III, which is not a true synthetic. The wiki says it well: "API Group III base oils are sometimes considered Fully synthetic, but they are still classified as highest-top-level mineral-base stocks." Without getting into a detailed discussion of oil characteristics and comparisons, in general if you really want to run synthetic oil you need to make sure it is Group IV-V.

Much more detail available if you are interested. See the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

http://machinerylubrication.com/Read/29113/base-oil-groups

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2753824

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2102128


Happy reading :bump2: [/threadjack]

All of that aside: I do not think that switching to Mobil 1 is the cause of the OP's problems. Especially on an '08 (no known HG issues) with only 40k mi.

OP: Have you monitored oil level for loss? That would be a good first step in diagnosis. Also, you could pull your plugs to check them for condition. I would expect if one cylinder is burning enough oil for you to see puffs of smoke that there would be a plug that showed it.

Reading plugs:

http://www.onallcylinders.com/2012/12/20/reading-101-how-to-read-your-spark-plugs/

https://www.ngksparkplugs.com/about-ngk/faqs/spark-plug-faqs/how-do-i-read-a-spark-plug
 
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Lots of brand loyalty but product quality lowered. Happens all the time with products. With mobil1 the main thing they did differently than in the past is use more group III oils and less group IV. It made their product more profitable so you can't blame them. I think there are much better synthetics out there.

I think Mobil 1 sucks too but his problem definitely doesn't stem from him using an oil that doesn't utilize a group 69 polydildo base stock with high moly ZDDP and BDSM content. I could use that oil in any of my cars right now and I wouldn't blame a failure on the oil. It's as irrelevant as that argument that Pennzoil sludges your engine because they used paraffin in the 50's and it sludged the engine in your great grandfather's Duesenberg after he got back from Korea.

He has an underlying issue if there is an actual problem, but I think it's just condensation that he's confusing with a head gasket issue. If it's an oil issue then the smoke would be blue.
 
I think Mobil 1 sucks too but his problem definitely doesn't stem from him using an oil that doesn't utilize a group 69 polydildo base stock with high moly ZDDP and BDSM content. I could use that oil in any of my cars right now and I wouldn't blame a failure on the oil. It's as irrelevant as that argument that Pennzoil sludges your engine because they used paraffin in the 50's and it sludged the engine in your great grandfather's Duesenberg after he got back from Korea.

He has an underlying issue if there is an actual problem, but I think it's just condensation that he's confusing with a head gasket issue. If it's an oil issue then the smoke would be blue.
Yea it really wasn't relavent and I stated I didn't know what the issue is. Just wanted to say mobil1 isn't what it used to be. Carry on.
 
I picked up a 2008 v6 sport about a month ago.
It has 40,000 miles and seems to be in great shape.
I changed the oil a few days ago and used mobil 1 extended performance along with a mobil1 filter.
Ever since the oil change I am getting a noticeable puff of smoke when I start it up every once in a while.

I dont remember seeing that before the switch, wondering if I should go back to regular oil or maybe 50/50 mix.

Should I be concerned and change to a different type of oil ?

any ideas why that would be happening ?

Don't freak out man? I sense more than a bit of undo paronia offered.
As far as sludge from "sitting" or lack of oil change.

Was there any sludge in the bottom of the pan when you drained the previous oil? I doubt it.
Does your fresh oil look contaminated not sludge its detergent action would have on any sludge buildup? Again, I doubt it. If it does change the oil and filter again.
General speaking a puff of blue oily smoke would indicate worn valve guiides. Something else I doubt.
It is possible that the engine sat without being turned over for a long period of time and the the cylinder chamber dried out of all lubricant. This could result in the piston rings slightly etching themselves into the cylinder walls thereby creating a microscopic "valley" for a slight be of oil to rest in. Which could result on a bit of a puff on startup after sitting a bit. But this would likely have no long term I'll effect unless it was severe.

A internal combustion engine is basically a big self-propelled air pump. Thus, it squeezes (compression ratio) the air which results in the moisture condensation once an engine is warm this moisture re-vaporizes while passing through the exhaust system. Are you experiencing this condition in cold startup situations?
You haven't said where you live but keep in mind the level water vapor visible while be directly related to atmospheric conditions particularly temperature and humidity.
In my experience new owners of equipment and machinery tend to look for and imagine problems.
Maybe it's left-over or lingering human survival instinct from the predator days. Early humans used to needed to be cautious on not being eaten by a tiger or such. We have to be equally concerned about surviving the freeway. The condition of a vehicles thus become a survival concern and we respond to any hint of an mechanical issue as a rabbit would respond to the sound of a pine cone falling behind them.
 
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[threadjack]
Silver is correct, Mobil 1 essentially downgraded the formula to a point that (most/all of) their oil is now Group III, which is not a true synthetic. The wiki says it well: "API Group III base oils are sometimes considered Fully synthetic, but they are still classified as highest-top-level mineral-base stocks." Without getting into a detailed discussion of oil characteristics and comparisons, in general if you really want to run synthetic oil you need to make sure it is Group IV-V.

Much more detail available if you are interested. See the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

Understanding the Differences in Base Oil Groups

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2753824

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2102128


Happy reading :bump2: [/threadjack]

All of that aside: I do not think that switching to Mobil 1 is the cause of the OP's problems. Especially on an '08 (no known HG issues) with only 40k mi.

OP: Have you monitored oil level for loss? That would be a good first step in diagnosis. Also, you could pull your plugs to check them for condition. I would expect if one cylinder is burning enough oil for you to see puffs of smoke that there would be a plug that showed it.

Reading plugs:

Reading 101: How to Read Your Spark Plugs - OnAllCylinders

https://www.ngksparkplugs.com/about-ngk/faqs/spark-plug-faqs/how-do-i-read-a-spark-plug

Actually M1 0w-40 recently changed the formula to 0-20% PAO and 40-70% GTL. And yes, GTL is group III, but it generally preforms as well or better than PAO (group IV).

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OP, if it's white and goes away after the car warms up, it's nothing to worry about.
 
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"group 69 polydildo base stock"

I found everything I need to know about synthetic oil in this statement.
Says it all.
 
"group 69 polydildo base stock"

I found everything I need to know about synthetic oil in this statement.
Says it all.

Glad you've been enlightened. These oil people are as weird as the detailer crowd that wipe their vehicles down with quick detailer spray daily and make sure to use a 15x20 german-made lint-free static-free interior microfiber towel while apply 303 Aerospace protectant to their dash every month or after 60 hours of consistent UV exposure. All weirdos.
 
Thanks for all the replies and oil info : )


The smoke/vapor/whatever appears to be white and not blue.
It only happens every once in a while and I havent yet noticed a pattern in when it does it versus when it doesnt.
Hopefully its just a combination of a new owner being ultra aware of any issue and condensation as suggested.

It suppose to be nice here this week so Ill probably take a look at the plugs anyway.
 
Thanks for all the replies and oil info : )


The smoke/vapor/whatever appears to be white and not blue.
It only happens every once in a while and I havent yet noticed a pattern in when it does it versus when it doesnt.
Hopefully its just a combination of a new owner being ultra aware of any issue and condensation as suggested.

It suppose to be nice here this week so Ill probably take a look at the plugs anyway.

It's great to hear the smoke is not blue, white is for sure due to condensation, if it was from oil there would a noticeable blue tint to the smoke.
 

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