Switched to Synthetic Oil...Now Better MPG's!

Sherwood4Runner

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So I just switched my 240k 4runner over to Synthetic engine oil last week and I am half way through a tank of gas since the switch. Normally at the half way tick mark on my truck I have driven about 95 miles. Today when I hit the middle tick mark on my gas gauge I was at 118 miles! My driving routine hasn't changed any (about 65% city, 35% hwy). Has anyone else experience MPG increases when switching to synthetic...I was surprised. Didn't think that lowering the friction in the engine would make this big of a difference.

Anyone else see MPG gains from switching to synthetic?

(Also, no leaks so far from switching to synthetic. I replaced the valve cover gaskets only a few months ago so those are good to go.)
 
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wow thats pretty good but at 240k idk lot of seals can get beat up pretty good usually on old cars people run thicker oil
 
No offense, but unless your taking your mileage and then dividing that by the actual numbers you pump in to fill up the tank, you have no idea if you have increased your mileage or not. And your claim that your getting increased mileage with synthetic is just that...a meaningless claim...a figment of your imagination.
 
No offense, but unless your taking your mileage and then dividing that by the actual numbers you pump in to fill up the tank, you have no idea if you have increased your mileage or not. And your claim that your getting increased mileage with synthetic is just that...a meaningless claim...a figment of your imagination.

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and it should be averaged after several fillups not a 118 mile odo/gauge reading.
 
I have been running Synthetic (mostly Amsoil) since 1977 in every car I have ever owned except for one, my 1995 Ford F250 Diesel of which took about 10 quarts of oil and being diesel dirty up oil so fast with soot that I choose to just change oil every 3000 miles with Rotella.
I "was" going to install a really good Bypass Oil Filter in it so that I could run Synthetic but the truck was stolen before that happened.

Anyway, in most of my cars I have gotten just a slight improvement in MPG using synthetic.
My 1994 Jeep I got about 1MPG better mileage.

In my 1977 Porsche 930 Turbo I got between 1-2MPG better.

My old 1969 Baja Bug with built 2180cc VW race engine I got about 1mpg better, BUT the biggest improvement with synthetic in this car was the fact before Synthetic the car would always run very hot and lose power, after running 20W50 Amsoil racing oil never got hot again no matter how hard I ran it and that was a HUGE improvement.
Several other cars no perceptible change or if it was it was less than 1mpg.

However in my wifes 1999 Lexus ES300 changing from standard 5W30 petroleum oil to 0W30 Amsoil it went from 26mpg up to 31mpg on straight hwy driving, so 4-5mpg improvement on "highway" driving.
But in city driving it is really more like about 1/2 of that, about 2-2.5mpg better, which is odd but it is what it is.

In my new to me 4Runner I have noticed no difference in MPG however.

So I think it is totally dependent on the vehicle.
 

That is a great thread....I read it all about a year ago before switching my 92 4runner and 06 Sienna to 0W30 synthetic (about to use it on the 98 too). The main thing I got was that all oil is too thick at startup, which is when most damage occurs. And that synthetic has the big advantage of not breaking down as quickly.

At walmat the 5qt synthetic isn't too much more, and balances out with doing changes slightly further apart. The 0W30 Mobil is supposed to get better gas mileage, but I haven't noticed enough of a change on either vehicle to matter, especially when balanced out with mountain driving and snow.

On the 92 4runner, 0W30 seems to be a little thin, meaning that I have to top it off at 4-5k before changing it at 7.5k. This is after moving from 10W30, or 5W30 in the winter. But I think I also changed from changing at 5k to the 7.5k the manual recommends.
 
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and it should be averaged after several fillups not a 118 mile odo/gauge reading.

^^ I agree, I kinda jumped the gun in my excitement. Ill keep track of my MPG's over the next couple tanks and see if the 'improvement' sticks around.

No offense, but unless your taking your mileage and then dividing that by the actual numbers you pump in to fill up the tank, you have no idea if you have increased your mileage or not. And your claim that your getting increased mileage with synthetic is just that...a meaningless claim...a figment of your imagination.

Yup that is exactly what I do. Divide trip milage by gallons of gas put in the tank. I have yet to finish off this tank yet, but I know from the past what it is roughly around at this point on my gauge. I will post my MPG on this tank after it is finished up in the next couple days.

How many miles do you get before the light turns on? Are you able to get 320 miles out of a tank?

My light is always on (because of a bad ground somewhere I think) so I don't know. I don't think I have ever gotten 320 on a tank from my day-to-day driving. Normally I get 210-225 when just doing my daily commuting etc.
 
Well the numbers are in for the first tank of gas:

Roughly 40% HWY and 60% City
Gallons Used: 14.999
Miles Traveled: 238.2
MPG: 15.891

That is a little more than 1MPG better than I was getting in the past. I haven't seen MPG's like that since I switch from 6 ply tires to 10 ply. Ill continue to post the next couple tanks of gas to see if the trend continues. If it does that would be great!
 
switched mine to synthetic 2 changes ago, havent noticed any difference till i went to seattle last weekend, bumped to almost 22, kinda think that 90+ degrees was what did it for me, running premium on a otherwise stock supercharged 3.4
 
if synthetic really resulted in higher MPGs then why don't car makers like Toyota just ship the vehicles with SYN straight from the factory? Higher MPGs equal higher sales, I think we can agree on that.
 
if synthetic really resulted in higher MPGs then why don't car makers like Toyota just ship the vehicles with SYN straight from the factory? Higher MPGs equal higher sales, I think we can agree on that.

According to this chart from Toyota virtually ALL of the new Toyotas including 4Runners since 2010 all come from the factory and require Synthetic oil.

Toyota Synthetic Motor Oil

Maybe they learned something after paying out a few BILLION because of SLUDGE.
 
what did they pay out -billions- for sludge? this seems like a dubious statement. I would be more worried about your head gaskets or tranny in the long run. I have run non SYN for a while now. while I dont doubt SYM is an improvement, it will not result in higher mpg or any of the other BS claims out there.
 
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According to this chart from Toyota virtually ALL of the new Toyotas including 4Runners since 2010 all come from the factory and require Synthetic oil.

Toyota Synthetic Motor Oil

Maybe they learned something after paying out a few BILLION because of SLUDGE.

They all also require 0w-20 to meet CAFE requirements. Not because it's the best oil...but because they are forced.
 
while I dont doubt SYM is an improvement, it will not result in higher mpg or any of the other BS claims out there.


Maybe synthetic oil in its self did not give me better gas milage, but instead the cleansing effect the detergent had on my motor allowed it to have less internal friction and therefore work more efficiently.
 
They all also require 0w-20 to meet CAFE requirements. Not because it's the best oil...but because they are forced.

Actually I am thinking they didn't need much "forcing" considering that is one sure way for Synthetic to achieve better MPG is to run 0W20 Vs 5W30.

That is probably why my wifes Lexus got so much better MPG on the highway is because we started using 0W30 vs the 5W30 petroleum oil.

Her car went from 26mpg just like the EPA tag said it was supposed to get to 30.9mpg on a couple long trips we took to Florida with cruise control set to 72mph and 100% hwy miles.
 
what did they pay out -billions- for sludge? this seems like a dubious statement. I would be more worried about your head gaskets or tranny in the long run. I have run non SYN for a while now. while I dont doubt SYM is an improvement, it will not result in higher mpg or any of the other BS claims out there.

I am not familiar with any "BS claims" other than the ones against synthetic such as causing the engine to leak or synthetic gear oil causing differential failure which are both bogus.

There have been far too many accounts of synthetic oil giving slight improvements in mpg for it to be BS, I have seen that for myself in several vehicles although unfortunately not my 4runner sadly.
So I think it depends on the type of engine and vehicle.
also if you go down to 0W30 from 5W30 then the engine probably has less restriction which I am sure is why my wifes Lexus did so well.

But I have had a few cars give an extra 1-2mpg on average, my 1995 Jeep YJ did, my old 1966 VW Crewcab got 2mpg better plus ran cooler since it was oil cooled, so did my old Baja Bug with a 2180cc VW engine which I fought with for over a year trying everything I could think of to keep it running cool to no avail until I ran Synthetic for my first time in 1977.
I put in a deep sump, a large oil cooler on the roof under a scoop all of which added much more oil and more cooling to it but it still would get too hot, it helped but did not cure it at all.
tried every oil then tried Amsoil 20/50 racing oil and BAM never over heated again never lost power.
Obviously synthetic worked wonders "in THAT vehicle".

Now I use it in my 4Runner mainly because I know it is superior oil with better lubricating properties, does not give me any improvement that I can tell in MPG BUT I know it is a better oil and it will clean my engine and keep it clean and will not sludge up which is very important.
Doesn't cost me a penny more in the long run either so its a win win situation to me.

As for the "what did they pay out -billions- for sludge?"

Toyota had 3.5 Million engines that they agreed to pay for engine replacement for 8 full years under warranty, plus there are up to around 7.5 Million other Toyotas that could also have the sludge problem of which our 4Runners are one of those vehicles.
The problem was like in my wifes Lexus the way the top end was built to super heat the gas and burn off emissions plus burn the fuel more efficiently.
With petroleum based oil REGARDLESS if you religiously change it every 3000 miles or not is moot, because when you turn off the car and the oil flows down a thin layer of oil remains up top where it literally sits there and cooks that very thin layer.
Petroleum oil has a lower flash point than synthetic plus is made up of various size long chain carbon molecules.
The smaller carbon molecules would evaporate and boil off in the form of sludge.

So basically every time you changed your oil you simply supplied it with more small molecules to boil off because it can happen within a few hundred miles.

Synthetic oil does not suffer that problem, higher flash points and all are short chain carbon and are all the same size molecules literally designer molecules made specifically the right size.

The Auto Report: Toyota to Pay Billions to Owners for Sludge Damage
 
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Well the BS I am talking about is you saying that Toyota payed out $ Billions in some lawsuit over sludge BUT apparently that is true! Learn something new everyday.

I still dont believe that standard oil causes sludge in our 4Runners. Not changing standard oil might lead to sludge, pinging or burned oil seals, but the implication that using standard causes sludge... well I disagree.

Toyotas and Lexus are well known for lasting 200,000 miles because they are well engineered vehicles. It has nothing to do with SYN vs oil. And I believe that when the engines do experience failures after 200,000 it is more often related to top end problems like a head gasket where oil type was not a major contributing factor and there are plenty of 300,000 mi trucks that still use standard.

Edit: I looked into the link and I am pretty sure the sludge issue affected a relatively small amount of vehicles. Different articles mention the Camry which still has the highest consumer reports rating for used cars despite being part of this lawsuit.
 
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