Salvo Jimmy
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For reference walterego determined my 2016 SR5 4WD, purchased in Oct 2015 will be recalled. No surprise there.
Takata bankrupt now what
- Thread starter lakerman
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"They knew well before 7/2016."
All true. I honestly wouldn't care if it was the driver-side bag. When I started driving cars didn't have lap belts, much less shoulder belts and air bags. Dashes were hard metal full of sharp knobs that would poke your eyes out in a wreck.
But it's the passenger side and my guests deserve the best safety available - the level of safety I paid for.
"the newer your vehicle is the less risk you have."
But there is still increased risk. Less risk does not equal no risk.
"The cooler and dryer your climate is the less risk you have."
But there is still increased risk. Less risk does not equal no risk.
I suggest you sell the 4Runner and buy a Jeep, and then file a $10 billion lawsuit against Toyota. *****ing about it here is not going to do anything but make you mad, and Toyota isn't going to change their business planning to accommodate you. I have a 2010 TE, and just don't worry about crap I can't control. Is my risk higher? Perhaps, but life is full of risks, and this one is tiny compared to everything else.
wfo9
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True, but it does not make it right... Toyota screwed you and continues to screw you to this day. Just being ignorant about the issue and not knowing the actual risk/facts is pretty stupid too. You are in control after all. you don't have to allow passengers...
Since you have a 2010, the remedy is supposedly available now. I have not heard of anyone actually getting it installed, but If I was you I would be calling my dealer right now and getting in line ASAP. Dealers seem confused right now, but at least you can start trying.
The thing that is most irritating about all this is the lack of communication and the fact that the information is so unclear and vague for people already recalled. It can literally be interpreted 100s of different ways.
These two statements are key, but can mean so many different things.
The key here is 6-9 years. What does that really mean in terms of risk. Is the 6-9 years part of the NHTSA’s deadline , or does it mean at year 9 the risk is near 100%. They need to at least clarify the risk vs doing a bunch of double talk and leaving owners past the 6 year window in the dark.
The second quote talks about a launch deadline. I'm unclear if they missed the deadline for 5th gens in zone A or if the deadline is at year 9... They give themselves many outs in that statement. Clearly lawyers were involved.
johnbt
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I'm happy for you. Thrilled in fact. :blabla:
Why are you so worried about me? You can't control me.
Am I upsetting your fanboy fantasy?Maybe I'll go trade my '16 in on a '17. I won't sell a defective vehicle to an individual, so trading it is the only option. But hey, it's only money. :flamethrwoer2:
STX4Runner
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This is going to be a long thread while Toyota plods along fixing vehicles year after year.
Speaking of '59 Chevys with no lap belts, no airbags and no dash padding, they didn't have crumple zones either. A '59 Bel Air crash test...
Don't bring that up or all internet morons will come out of the woodwork claiming the Bel Air didn't have an engine and the frame was rusted so it wasn't fair fight. Give me a break. People get totally invested in their beliefs and can't admit they're wrong about stuff...like the idea that classic cars are impenetrable tanks.
I received my notice last week while I was out of town, and called the dealer Monday. They are ordering the parts, and will let me know within a dew days when I can take the car in for repair.
I don't think Toyota has screwed me at all. It's taken several years for them to even have an idea of which cars are affected, and to determine how to source the necessary parts. I've seen numbers that indicate that over 60 million airbag inflators are involved in the recall, and that Takata produced around a quarter of the world's supply. Here's a link with a graphic https://blogs.thomsonreuters.com/answerson/takatas-air-bag-market-share/
The 4Runner recall is a small part of Toyota's overall effort compared to the Corollas and Camry's out there, and the need for the older cars to be repaired first.
This link Massive Takata Airbag Recall: Everything You Need to Know | News |*Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog has some of the best information I've seen, and reading through it shows just how complex the issue is, and how difficult it has been for the car makers to determine which cars are affected. I get the impression that Takata may have not been as cooperative or as honest as they should have been with testing results, which is one reason they are disappearing.
More good information here Takata Airbag Recall - Everything You Need to Know
johnbt
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I've read that blog. Believe it if you want.
"UPDATE 11/9/2015, 10:35 a.m.: Nissan has now joined Toyota, Mazda, and Honda in announcing that it will no longer use Takata-supplied airbag inflators."
That date is 11/9/2015. It says, "no longer use"
My 4Runner was made in 8/2016 and is scheduled to be recalled sometime in 2019 because of the passenger-side Takata airbag Toyota used.
John
"UPDATE 11/9/2015, 10:35 a.m.: Nissan has now joined Toyota, Mazda, and Honda in announcing that it will no longer use Takata-supplied airbag inflators."
That date is 11/9/2015. It says, "no longer use"
My 4Runner was made in 8/2016 and is scheduled to be recalled sometime in 2019 because of the passenger-side Takata airbag Toyota used.
John
orangeblue
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Back in 2015, Takata reported to the NHTSA that they'd performed over 30,000 tests on recalled airbags, and that they'd had a failure rate of 0.8%; in the field between 2001 and 2015, there were 88 ruptures within over 1.2 million deployments. More importantly, the PSPI-6 inflator, the same one that's used in the 2010-11 4Runner, had not been involved in any of the ruptures as of January 2017. The NHTSA looks at the issue mathematically: if you disable the airbag, you get a guaranteed zero safety benefit; if you have a recalled airbag, odds are much higher that it'll provide a safety benefit than malfunction (and be detrimental to safety). Percentage-wise, they're correct, but most people don't think that way.
As far as why the timeline on 5th gens is so protracted, it's because they're way down the NHTSA's priority list. The 2010 4Runner (Zone A) doesn't appear until Priority Group 5, which means there are a LOT of vehicles that got priority, including ones in Group 5 that have recalled driver's airbags.
For reference:
MY2010 (Zone A) - Group 5 (Remedy launched June 2017)
MY2011 (Zone A) - Group 6 (Remedy estimated September 2017)
MY2012 (Zone A) - Group 7 (Remedy estimated December 2017)
MY2013 (Zone A) - Group 9 (Scheduled for recall January 2018)
MY2010 (Zone B) - Group 9 (Scheduled for recall January 2018)
MY14-16 (Zone A) - Group 10 (Scheduled for recall January 2018)
MY11-16 (Zone B) - Group 10 (Scheduled for recall January 2018)
MY10-16 (Zone C) - Group 10 (Scheduled for recall January 2018)
It's also worth noting that even when you get your remedy notice, you'll have to beat all of the Corolla drivers to your dealership to get a replacement, since they use the same inflator. Currently, there are about 68,200 2010-2012 4Runners that have been recalled, with 20,500 included with the June remedy launch. There are about 459,900 2010-11 Corollas included in the June remedy launch.
ADK Explorer
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RockyMountainT4R
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According to Walterego's research (see post 137, thanks again Walter), concerning the VIN for my 2016 with build date of 11/2016: per Toyota Takata Future Phase Applicability Lookup "...this vehicle WILL NOT be included in a future phase of the Takata Front Passenger Airbag Inflator Safety Recalls. There is NO NEED to apply the advisory label to the window or use the disclosure form."
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I got the same thing (2014 4Runner) but i havent gotten the recall notice so its not applicable to me. this lawsuit is only for people who had their airbags replaced and or are going to the dealer to get them replaced. according to the website.
Salvo Jimmy
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I just received that settlement notice today and my first blush is opt out for my 2016 SR5 because unless you have significant out of pocket expenses, which I don't, the best you get is up to $250 if, repeat if, there is any residual left over after all claims, lawyers, administrators, etc are paid. My take is hardly likely. And it looks like the max you can get is $500 to include both out of pocket and residual claims.
Also as I read some of the details you are not giving up personal injury claims, but it looks like the wording might indicate that does not apply to the vehicle in question.
Also to be eligible to claim you have to check a box that you have taken the vehicle to a dealer for bag replacement. With no parts available for my 2016 SR5 until maybe 2019 why would I bother with taking it to a dealer.
Now my wife's 2008 Lexus goes in to the dealer on 9/11/17 for bag replacement. Once it's in the shop I can check the box and I might submit a claim for residual, (no out of pocket there and I get a loaner, ) figuring I have nothing to loose there as claim would meet the 9/25/17 deadline and the bag wil be replaced and any injury risk is gone.
But then I'm only a member of the "sea lawyer" bar. Still thinking on it.
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ADK Explorer
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I haven't gone to the website yet but it is as I figured. The claimants get chump change and the lawyers get the real payday. I spoke with my dealer today and they still have no clue. I would not give up my right to sue in the future anyway. I will be opting out of this action.
BlueRunner15
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The settlement is only for those vehicles that actually been recalled. If you have a vehicle that will be recalled in the future, like my 15 SR5P; then you are unable to register for the settlement.
Salvo Jimmy
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Not true. My 2016 SR5 has not been recalled and using the settlement VIN look up it shows my SR5 is included in the settlement.
BlueRunner15
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My vehicle isn't listed because it's from California.
Quote from settlement site: Vehicles Registered in California: Please note that VINs for vehicles registered in the state of California are not yet included in this VIN Lookup tool. We anticipate that VINs for vehicles registered in the state of California will be available in this VIN Lookup tool within the next several weeks. If your vehicle is registered in the state of California, please check back for updates.
But I was referencing more to the fact that you can't register your vehicle for the settlement unless it has been actually recalled and been to a dealer for a fixed. Last question they ask is has it been to a dealer and if it hasn't it won't allow you to register. And since it's going to be another 4-5 year before my 2015 is actually recalled I am past the deadline to register for this recall. At least for my 2015.
Salvo Jimmy
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10-4 on CA.
Re going to dealer and checking that box is not exactly clear. Seems you could go to dealer, get told no recall for you yet and thus no parts. So you have been to the dealer. Additionally if I can't get my 2016 in the settlement then why did I get the notice with the deadline in Sapt '17 when my 2016 is estimated for recall in 2019.
But who knows you may be right. At any rate seeing as how I don't expect any out of pocket expenses and thus the max I could hope for is $250 if any residual left, I'm likely to opt my 2016 out.
Boiseflyfisher
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Just received that notice today for my '17 4R ORP I bought new from FL dealer in April, less than 4 months ago. Checked my VIN on website...lucky me I'm a winner!
I'm sure they didn't suspect or have any knowledge it might contain a defective part a few months ago seeing as this whole Takata thing is pretty new, right!
I'm sure they didn't suspect or have any knowledge it might contain a defective part a few months ago seeing as this whole Takata thing is pretty new, right!
