Takata bankrupt now what

[Jetboy]

Honda's recalls also started in 2008. They, and other manufacturers, also get/got priority because their cars had defective driver's airbags, where Toyota's recalls are limited to passenger side only (meaning the Toyotas can be operated safely, albeit without a front passenger, while recalled Hondas can't be driven safely).

Honda wasn't telling customers to wait 10 years because of parts availability while they were SELLING NEW MODELS WITH FIXED AIRBAGS that could be installed to fix existing customer vehicles.

 

[Fantasyridge]

Dealers are able to look up if your 2016 4Runner is affected or not by VIN. Its looked up through an internal site that is not available to the public. If anyone would like, I can look up their VIN.

Remedy for 2010 4Runners is available for Zone A. Owners should be receiving notification letters soon.

Pm sent. Mfg date 10/16

 

[wfo9]

Honda wasn't telling customers to wait 10 years because of parts availability while they were SELLING NEW MODELS WITH FIXED AIRBAGS that could be installed to fix existing customer vehicles.

This is key, It is the exact same truck being sold today (with very minor cosmetic changes.. a few plastic panels). Yet, more than a year has gone by with 50k existing customers in the red zone unable (according to Toyota) to use their passenger seats. And with this new development.. it could be a lot longer and the number of existing customers impacted will go up quickly.

I know it seems silly to those that this does not affect, yet. But try to put yourself in those 50k owners shoes. I would think most humans with the ability to think without bias would understand our frustration. For those that don't... you can argue until you are blue in the face.. but I will continue to ignore your opinion until you can prove you have a truck that is under active recall and are still 100% happy with Toyotas response. And just to put this in perspective. I would not care if Toyota charged me 1k to install a new airbag in a timely manner.. I would be happy to pay to get a response. Its not the money.. its the frustration of having a vehicle with questionable safety equipment with no way for me to fix it....

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Honda wasn't telling customers to wait 10 years because of parts availability while they were SELLING NEW MODELS WITH FIXED AIRBAGS that could be installed to fix existing customer vehicles.

Are they actually fixed airbags? From what I understand NONE of these airbags are really "fixed" they are going to need to be replaced down the line again. Honda is going to have to recall all the ones they did to redo them in a number of years, my understanding is that everyone is going to have to do that down the line with these units. Maybe that line has changed, since it's been some months some I talked with some Honda techs and someone else in the know.

 

[Fantasyridge]

Dealers are able to look up if your 2016 4Runner is affected or not by VIN. Its looked up through an internal site that is not available to the public. If anyone would like, I can look up their VIN.

Remedy for 2010 4Runners is available for Zone A. Owners should be receiving notification letters soon.

If I'm understanding walterego's message correctly, my 2016 manufactured in 10/2016 has the new bags if this helps anyone. Interestingly my dealer really pushed to sell me a truck that had been there longer, offered a better deal, but never mentioned anything about future defective bags

 

[wfo9]

Are they actually fixed airbags? From what I understand NONE of these airbags are really "fixed" they are going to need to be replaced down the line again. Honda is going to have to recall all the ones they did to redo them in a number of years, my understanding is that everyone is going to have to do that down the line with these units. Maybe that line has changed, since it's been some months some I talked with some Honda techs and someone else in the know.

From some quick research...
Honda did replace some under an interim condition.. They were basically still PSAN but with a desiccant. They called it an interim remedy and customers were explained this... The NTSB was not convinced they were safe and gave Takata until 2019 to prove the design would be stable in high humidity areas.... I'm not sure what became of that and if they are still in question of being replaced again. If it was still up in the air, it gets even more odd with Takata going out of business.

It seems Takata started using PSAN in 2001 as a money savings effort since it was dirt cheap compared to the alternative chemicals. There were no requirements up to that point about chemicals or stability of the inflator after exposure to heat and humidity.. I'm not sure if they switched back to the older chemicals now or not.

The crazy thing is that Takata sort of incriminated themselves with their patent applications for PSAN inflators where they noted how unstable it was under exposure to humidity... They basically laid out what could happen, and sure enough....that is exactly what has taken place. I guess they thought their casing could seal out moisture, but it obviously did not...

 

[BlackWorksInc]

From some quick research...
Honda did replace some under an interim condition.. They were basically still PSAN but with a desiccant. They called it an interim remedy and customers were explained this... The NTSB was not convinced they were safe and gave Takata until 2019 to prove the design would be stable in high humidity areas.... I'm not sure what became of that and if they are still in question of being replaced again. If it was still up in the air, it gets even more odd with Takata going out of business.

It seems Takata started using PSAN in 2001 as a money savings effort since it was dirt cheap compared to the alternative chemicals. There were no requirements up to that point about chemicals or stability of the inflator after exposure to heat and humidity.. I'm not sure if they switched back to the older chemicals now or not.

The crazy thing is that Takata sort of incriminated themselves with their patent applications for PSAN inflators where they noted how unstable it was under exposure to humidity... They basically laid out what could happen, and sure enough....that is exactly what has taken place. I guess they thought their casing could seal out moisture, but it obviously did not...

Yeah, like I said. It's a been a while since I heard anything. But as far as I recall it seemed like there was a strong prediction that all these replacement units will need replaced in the future again. Perhaps it was due to this 2019 thing you mentioned. The amount of vague and not entirely concrete information regarding this entire thing is a bit frustrating to say the least.

 

[wfo9]

Yeah, like I said. It's a been a while since I heard anything. But as far as I recall it seemed like there was a strong prediction that all these replacement units will need replaced in the future again. Perhaps it was due to this 2019 thing you mentioned. The amount of vague and not entirely concrete information regarding this entire thing is a bit frustrating to say the least.

No doubt, the information is very vague at best. It goes back to most news these days.. sensationalism gets all the attention, but nobody cares about the details that really matter.

BTW. got to love these Toyota Q&As...Even the answers conflict with each other if you really think about it. So much confusion and subtly conflicting information.

Q: Until the remedy is performed on my vehicle, are there any steps I can take to minimize the
occurrence of this condition?
A: No, There are no steps you can take to minimize the occurrence of this condition. However, the condition
does not cause the airbag to activate when it should not. Also, the front passenger airbag is designed to
inflate only in certain moderate to severe crashes. To further minimize risk, Toyota recommends that you
locate passengers into the rear seating positions.

Q: What should you do?
A: Please contact any authorized Toyota dealer to schedule an appointment to have your front passenger
airbag inflator replaced free of charge. When taking your vehicle to the dealership for your service
appointment, it is recommended that only the driver occupy the vehicle. If you are uncomfortable driving
the vehicle to the dealership, please contact your local authorized Toyota dealer who will arrange for vehicle
pick up. Until the remedy is performed, the front passenger seat should NOT be occupied.
If you do not follow the instructions in the owner letter, you should not drive your vehicle

The double take here LOL.

Q:The remedy has launched for some vehicles, but not yet for my vehicle. How is the remedy availability
being prioritized?
A: These Safety Recalls have been structured with multiple phases across three geographic zones. Time,
temperature, and humidity have been found by NHTSA, and multiple independent investigations, to contribute
to significant Takata airbag inflator propellant degradation that can lead to an unreasonable risk of inflator
rupture. As such, NHTSA has established a launch deadline for each model based on the vehicle age and
geographic location which prioritizes the highest risk vehicles first. Toyota has developed a launch schedule
based on the both NHTSA’s deadlines and the availability of remedy parts. For all models, Toyota intends to
meet NHTSA’s deadline or launch earlier than the deadline, depending on the availability of remedy parts for
each model.

 

[Limited2014]

Could someone post a link to a document that clarifies whether 2017 4runners have a new passenger airbag design than 2016 and previous years? I have read all of the links and searched the internet and it seems like people say 2017s are not affected but I have seen no hard data, more like they are too new to be mentioned in any of the documents. Thanks and sorry if I missed something.

 

[cbreze]

I read somewhere that several people had been injured by a faulty airbag and some badly enough to need reconstructive surgery, But I haven't found anything yet, and I'm sure it's out there somewhere about how many accidents have happened that deployed the airbag and it functioned normally. What are the odds of that happening as opposed to the odds of the grenade effect happening? Also read it may be 2019 before I get mine replaced. I'm in Oregon with a 2012 SR5. My Tacoma had a switch to disable it as I recall , or was that my Miata? Maybe both.

 

[Ray Dunakin]

" so much scare, fear and misinformation"

Are you saying you don't care about the health, safety and life of your front seat passengers?

You sound like an insurance salesman.

 

[WRM1]

I'd like to know too (mine's a 2010 that's lived it's whole life in Texas). I have not heard anything about bringing it in for replacement.

I got my notice to bring in my 2010 TE into the dealer in the mail a couple of days ago.

 

[johnbt]

"You sound like an insurance salesman."

Just because you don't trust insurance salesmen doesn't mean you don't need insurance. I'm retired and was not ever an insurance salesman.

According to my VIN, the 8/2016 TEP that I bought the end of 11/2016 is scheduled to be recalled in 2019.

There was no notification sticker on the windshield (I guess they missed the 7/2016 memo from Toyota) and no mention of the future recall by anyone at the dealer.

John

 

[Salvo Jimmy]

Dealers are able to look up if your 2016 4Runner is affected or not by VIN. Its looked up through an internal site that is not available to the public. If anyone would like, I can look up their VIN.

Remedy for 2010 4Runners is available for Zone A. Owners should be receiving notification letters soon.

VIN sent by PM

 

[Mikkey9289]

No. The vehicles have exploding airbags. It is not extreme to ask for a rental. Toyota is actively giving folks rentals because people have died as a result of their products. But, you are partially right; there are no guarantees the next vehicle's airbag won't go off like a hand grenade in your face in a fender bender.

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Just a friendly piece of info on the safety concerns with the recalled airbags. The primary issue is long term exposure to heat and moisture causes the wafer that explodes to become too potent and make too big of an explosion. While I definitely agree that it is best to stay cautious, the newer your vehicle is the less risk you have. The cooler and dryer your climate is the less risk you have. I have a picture from a Lexus bulletin which breaks down if you are at high risk based in your zone and age of vehicle.

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[TheSentinel]

Just a friendly piece of info on the safety concerns with the recalled airbags. The primary issue is long term exposure to heat and moisture causes the wafer that explodes to become too potent and make too big of an explosion. While I definitely agree that it is best to stay cautious, the newer your vehicle is the less risk you have. The cooler and dryer your climate is the less risk you have. I have a picture from a Lexus bulletin which breaks down if you are at high risk based in your zone and age of vehicle.

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Yep, thanks. Saw this previously. I'm in the red area and drive a 2010.

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[Mikkey9289]

Yep, thanks. Saw this previously. I'm in the red area and drive a 2010.

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That's no fun. I'm in the red zone as well but I'm still loving my 3rd gen which isn't part of this issue. Best of luck getting this fixed. I'm sure Toyota will do everything they can to make it right. Stay safe out there.


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[Tisoy281]

"You sound like an insurance salesman."

Just because you don't trust insurance salesmen doesn't mean you don't need insurance. I'm retired and was not ever an insurance salesman.

According to my VIN, the 8/2016 TEP that I bought the end of 11/2016 is scheduled to be recalled in 2019.

There was no notification sticker on the windshield (I guess they missed the 7/2016 memo from Toyota) and no mention of the future recall by anyone at the dealer.

John

They knew well before 7/2016. My dealership told me, after recalling my 2011 last June, that ALL 4runner's up to 2016's were going to be eventually recalled. They also said they were having new buyers sign waivers WHILE doing their final paperwork in finance... LOL. I was really pissed that I was never afforded the opportunity to know my truck was going to be recalled. But here I am, a year later, still not being able to use my 4runner to the best of it's capabilities for family purposes.

 

[johnbt]

"They knew well before 7/2016."

All true. I honestly wouldn't care if it was the driver-side bag. When I started driving cars didn't have lap belts, much less shoulder belts and air bags. Dashes were hard metal full of sharp knobs that would poke your eyes out in a wreck.

But it's the passenger side and my guests deserve the best safety available - the level of safety I paid for.


"the newer your vehicle is the less risk you have."

But there is still increased risk. Less risk does not equal no risk.

"The cooler and dryer your climate is the less risk you have."

But there is still increased risk. Less risk does not equal no risk.

 

[johnbt]

This is going to be a long thread while Toyota plods along fixing vehicles year after year.

Speaking of '59 Chevys with no lap belts, no airbags and no dash padding, they didn't have crumple zones either. A '59 Bel Air crash test...