Simpleman74
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Fear fear!!! Gloom and doom!!!! Sell the damn thing already
Takata bankrupt now what
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wfo9
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Agree with some of the above from Blackworks, but not all points. You went off on a few tangents..... LOL
I'm trying to stick to facts myself and want to get away from drama. There is simply a lot of guessing going on. I hear all types of misinformation coming form both sides. There should not really be sides here...
I'll state some facts....
ZONE A: Includes states with high temperature cycling and humidity.
Time in service until significant propellant degradation may occur is projected at 6-9 years in Zone A.
Degraded propellant can cause inflator rupture during airbag deployment. In
the event of an inflator rupture, metal fragments could pass through the airbag cushion material, striking the
vehicle occupants, and result in serious injury or death.
This is straight from the Toyota documentation. I interpret this statement to mean significant degradation could happen at year 6 and will likely happen by year 9. If it might last 20 years they would have said 6-20.. not 6-9. So year 9 seems very critical and risk would be near 100% by that year.
2010s are at year 7-8... 2011 are at year 6-7, 2012 are at year 5-6.
I assume significant degradation means significant chance of serious injury for the passenger. Is there another way to interpret that statement.. please enlighten me.
Are you guys experts on airbag safety and have arguments that the 6-9 year assessment is bogus?
2010s, and 2011 5th gens have been officially recalled in Zone A since may 2016. Toyota does not recommend allowing a passenger to ride in the front seat once under recall (yes this has been going on for 1.x years) Model year 2017 trucks got a revised airbag that...I'm assuming includes a desiccant and is the same part that will be put into all 5th gens as part of the remedy. These airbags should last many years 20+... even in high temp and humidity areas.
So far nobody has reported having a remedy installed, but Toyota does state that one is available as of late June 2017. We should know shortly if parts are actually available.
2010s are first in line as soon as parts are available, 2011s are currently stated as being eligible to have the remedy installed in September.
Takata, the supplier of these airbags... filed for bankruptcy in June 2017. Nobody knows exactly what this means in terms of airbag supply for 5th gen 4 runners under current and future recalls.
All 5th gens 2010-2016 have the same airbags. A few late 2016 models got the revision. 2017s all got the revision.
Does anybody disagree with these statements?
I'm trying to stick to facts myself and want to get away from drama. There is simply a lot of guessing going on. I hear all types of misinformation coming form both sides. There should not really be sides here...
I'll state some facts....
ZONE A: Includes states with high temperature cycling and humidity.
Time in service until significant propellant degradation may occur is projected at 6-9 years in Zone A.
Degraded propellant can cause inflator rupture during airbag deployment. In
the event of an inflator rupture, metal fragments could pass through the airbag cushion material, striking the
vehicle occupants, and result in serious injury or death.
This is straight from the Toyota documentation. I interpret this statement to mean significant degradation could happen at year 6 and will likely happen by year 9. If it might last 20 years they would have said 6-20.. not 6-9. So year 9 seems very critical and risk would be near 100% by that year.
2010s are at year 7-8... 2011 are at year 6-7, 2012 are at year 5-6.
I assume significant degradation means significant chance of serious injury for the passenger. Is there another way to interpret that statement.. please enlighten me.
Are you guys experts on airbag safety and have arguments that the 6-9 year assessment is bogus?
2010s, and 2011 5th gens have been officially recalled in Zone A since may 2016. Toyota does not recommend allowing a passenger to ride in the front seat once under recall (yes this has been going on for 1.x years) Model year 2017 trucks got a revised airbag that...I'm assuming includes a desiccant and is the same part that will be put into all 5th gens as part of the remedy. These airbags should last many years 20+... even in high temp and humidity areas.
So far nobody has reported having a remedy installed, but Toyota does state that one is available as of late June 2017. We should know shortly if parts are actually available.
2010s are first in line as soon as parts are available, 2011s are currently stated as being eligible to have the remedy installed in September.
Takata, the supplier of these airbags... filed for bankruptcy in June 2017. Nobody knows exactly what this means in terms of airbag supply for 5th gen 4 runners under current and future recalls.
All 5th gens 2010-2016 have the same airbags. A few late 2016 models got the revision. 2017s all got the revision.
Does anybody disagree with these statements?
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BlackWorksInc
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[MENTION=106176]wfo9[/MENTION]
Yeah, sorry... I did mention that Bourbon and Coke was involved right? lol
I think one of the points I was trying to get across is that there's just a lot of fear mongering and bias to follow the hype rather than really sit down and understand the facts. This all smacks me of the whole shebang with the Unintended Acceleration stuff, blowing things way out of proportion and people almost enjoyed being overly dramatic about things without a care for logic and reason.
That being said, I don't disagree with any of your statements. As I mentioned before I wonder what the "life expectancy" of these units is from a design standpoint. 6-9yrs may sound short to some, but honestly I can't seem to find any real definitive answer for how long SRS systems are expected to last, which leaves a huge question mark in this whole thing.
Yeah, sorry... I did mention that Bourbon and Coke was involved right? lol
I think one of the points I was trying to get across is that there's just a lot of fear mongering and bias to follow the hype rather than really sit down and understand the facts. This all smacks me of the whole shebang with the Unintended Acceleration stuff, blowing things way out of proportion and people almost enjoyed being overly dramatic about things without a care for logic and reason.
That being said, I don't disagree with any of your statements. As I mentioned before I wonder what the "life expectancy" of these units is from a design standpoint. 6-9yrs may sound short to some, but honestly I can't seem to find any real definitive answer for how long SRS systems are expected to last, which leaves a huge question mark in this whole thing.
Simpleman74
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007Tacoma
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An interesting side note: After a vehicle leaves a manufacturer and/or dealership "anything" can happen to it. Exposure to moisture, temperatures, dust, dirt, dumb people - all of these are factors in how long anything lasts.
It comes down to the fact that I love my wife far more than my 4Runner, but even she thinks all of this is silly. She will not let me even trade my 4Runner for a new one... :shrug:
...at least I tried.
It comes down to the fact that I love my wife far more than my 4Runner, but even she thinks all of this is silly. She will not let me even trade my 4Runner for a new one... :shrug:
...at least I tried.
^This! Giving the "I need to trade in for a new model so you'll be safe" a shot tonight.
wfo9
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IT's a good question and I don't think we will find a clear answer, but a generally accepted number in the industry that I have heard for emissions and other lifetime parts of a vehicle.. is 25 years.
Another data point is the definition they have used for zone C:
ZONE C: Includes states with lower temperature cycling and humidity. Time in service
until significant propellant degradation may occur is projected at 15-20 years.
Yet, they still feel this is too short and will recall all those trucks. So it seems that 15 years is clearly not acceptable.
We are all guessing when it comes to this stuff, it's just too technical for anyone but experts in the field to know for sure. You mention fear mongering being irritating and I agree... but you are actually adding to it yourself by bringing up this idea that they all have an unknown shelf life.... while this is probably true.. it is nothing that most people should be concerned with. The Takata bags started failing because of corrosion and propellant degradation. The industry has found a solution and cars are safer today then they have ever been in history (minus the defective airbags that use PSAN without a desiccant with long term exposure that are still in operation)
They are probably just throwing a little bag of sand or rice in there and calling it good :tongue1:
Anyway, I just can't get over the fact that people on here can just dismiss the issue hyperbole when the experts state otherwise.
My only concern with all of this is that Toyota replaces the airbags in a timely manner and that owners with at risk vehicles (according to the experts including Toyota...) don't have to make a choice after they are in the red zone and told not to allow passengers. I feel disconnecting the airbag is not a good choice either. It all comes back to Toyota stepping up and doing the right thing or putting profits ahead of existing customers. Right now it is only 50K units at risk. The longer they drag their feet, the harder it will be to overcome the backlog. And now that Takata is out of business, this could have major impact on the supply chain. It's not unreasonable think that we may be looking at years of delay. At that point the situation will become very real to many. Not saying that will happen, but I don't see it being impossible either. Right now it is wait and see.
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Do you have a link to this so-called list?
Simpleman74
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:sleepy:
I notice that in the recall documentation, a bunch of Toyota vehicles (Tundra, Sequoia, Rav4, Corolla, ect.) are listed but the 4runner isn't among those listed.
Is there a newer recall site or form that includes the 4runner?
mikey's2010SR5
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Toyota can buy my truck back for what I paid for it. I would be cool with that if they can't get this airbag thing figured out.
Salvo Jimmy
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It is strange that Toyota has not included the VIN lookup for 2016 T4Rs. They must know which ones did/did not get defective bags.
But since my 2016 was purchased in Oct 2015, I suspect it's 99.999999% certain I have a bad bag, unless it turns out to be version specific.
But since my 2016 was purchased in Oct 2015, I suspect it's 99.999999% certain I have a bad bag, unless it turns out to be version specific.
Dealers are able to look up if your 2016 4Runner is affected or not by VIN. Its looked up through an internal site that is not available to the public. If anyone would like, I can look up their VIN.
Remedy for 2010 4Runners is available for Zone A. Owners should be receiving notification letters soon.
Lester Lugnut
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Perhaps this has been posted - zones identified + much more:
https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf.../prelogin/docs/cp/g0pg1pg0rg1rh0ah1atofaq.pdf
2010 4R - 6/17
2011 4R - 9/17
2012 4R - 12/17
https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf.../prelogin/docs/cp/g0pg1pg0rg1rh0ah1atofaq.pdf
2010 4R - 6/17
2011 4R - 9/17
2012 4R - 12/17
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wfo9
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Maybe we can figure a cut off date after a few people send you a vin and mfg date (which is right there on the door jamb...
It's great that they say Remedy is now available for 2010.. hopefully that means parts are actually available. I've asked a local friend with a 2010 to try to schedule something with the dealer, but so far no response from the dealer. I'm sure it will take some time for the parts to show up at the distribution centers... even if there are some in the pipeline. Hopefully there are enough to get some trucks done and I can get my 2011 done in September. I also wonder how motivated dealers are to do this work when they are very busy with other work... I imagine it is not near as profitable as all the out of warranty work. They may only allow 1 or 2 scheduled per week. And the Toyota dealers near me seem to be jammed with lines out the door constantly. 2010 + 2011 are 50k units. That seems like a lot of work to get done...
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First VIN I received had a production date of 07/2016 and will be recalled in a future phase. I'll keep track as they come if so we can narrow down the cutoff.
It all depends on the dealer.
