Talk Me INTO it or NOT into it. 285 from 265

[SI2IS2T4R]

It's been awhile since I've been on here. I was broke for a long ass time. Lately, I've accelerated my build process. Here's my question, a poll of sorts:

I'm about to put on new tires and I'm a bit scared of 285's. I don't care about fender lining trimmings, but I do NOT want to do any body chopping.

So, either talk me into 285s or not into them! I think I'll at least get 275s. I'm currently on stock 265 70 16.

Set-up:

2007 Toyota 4Runner SR5 4x4 V6.
-Bilstein 5100s
-OME 884/895E
-JBA UCAs

Lift is currently more than 3"

Swapping out SR5 rims. 16" Toyota OEM.

Putting in SCS RAY10 17x8.5 which have a 4.30" backspacing and -10MM offset.

 

[Bumbo]

What are you using the truck for?

If you wheel, my recommendation would be to look at a 255... it's become my preferred size over the years.

People call them skinny buy I don't feel like they are... they work well and weigh less with the thought being smaller contact patch = more PSI on the available contact patch = more grip.

These trucks already feel like slugs and the bigger fatter tires in larger diameters only make it worse… and without gearing it’s starts to get a bit annoying.

 

[Az4runnin]

How about a 275?

 

[Morphyne]

I literally just did this. My garage still smells like new tires. 285s get you a look that other tire sizes dont. The SCS rims should help. I went with Icon Rebounds that have a 0 offset. Only thing I had to do was some mud flap and fender trimming and fender liner pushing. I will say aftermarket UCAs are necessary with bigger tires. I can say though, it rides so big and confident. If you go with a 285 tire your perspective will change. I think you should be good on the body mount. Pics for your consideration.

This is 265s on the same lift as the 285s.

 

[grave]

but are those 70s? 75? 80? compared to the old.

 

[SI2IS2T4R]

but are those 70s? 75? 80? compared to the old.

The current is 70. The new 285s would be 70s.


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[SI2IS2T4R]

I literally just did this. My garage still smells like new tires. 285s get you a look that other tire sizes dont. The SCS rims should help. I went with Icon Rebounds that have a 0 offset. Only thing I had to do was some mud flap and fender trimming and fender liner pushing. I will say aftermarket UCAs are necessary with bigger tires. I can say though, it rides so big and confident. If you go with a 285 tire your perspective will change. I think you should be good on the body mount. Pics for your consideration.

This is 265s on the same lift as the 285s.

Love the look! That’s a sexy GX. Looks great.


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[SI2IS2T4R]

What are you using the truck for?

If you wheel, my recommendation would be to look at a 255... it's become my preferred size over the years.

People call them skinny buy I don't feel like they are... they work well and weigh less with the thought being smaller contact patch = more PSI on the available contact patch = more grip.

These trucks already feel like slugs and the bigger fatter tires in larger diameters only make it worse… and without gearing it’s starts to get a bit annoying.

Very good points. To answer your question. I’d call myself a “weekend warrior”. Probably head off road 10 times a summer. In the fall or winter months, maybe I’ll go every two to three weeks. Probably won’t but would love to. I really stick to forest service roads and moderately challenging trails. This will not see heavy off roading.


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[SI2IS2T4R]

Oh. The tires will be BFG TA KO2s. Btw. Thanks everyone for the feedback!!


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[robaroni]

I have BFG KO2's on stock 17" rims with 1.5 inch spacers. Did the body chop and still rub on occasion. Significant fender trimming is required. I suspect if I got rid of the spacers I'd have less troubles as well.

 

[hkollie1]

Good Call on the BFG's....best tire ever.

OK - Here goes...if you don't get the 285's you won't notice a performance difference....and you won't have to trim, cut modify, and your drive train will turn the tires slightly better...and the tires will look slighlty better, big enough to be obviously "trail tough" and not "alittle too big" for the wheel well. Just right.

In then end its how you feel, not the facts. Decide to be 100% confident with slightly smaller or just go bigger and feel better...enjoy. Both work obv.

 

[kingofthehill]

What are you using the truck for?

If you wheel, my recommendation would be to look at a 255... it's become my preferred size over the years.

People call them skinny buy I don't feel like they are... they work well and weigh less with the thought being smaller contact patch = more PSI on the available contact patch = more grip.

These trucks already feel like slugs and the bigger fatter tires in larger diameters only make it worse… and without gearing it’s starts to get a bit annoying.

+1

I am thinking of doing this for my next tire. I like that it keeps the weight down and you can get them in a 32" 255/75R17.

 

[07V8]

I ran KO 265/70s for 100k miles, have 60k miles on my KO2 275/70s and plan on going with 285s next spring. You guessed it....KO2s. Can’t decide if I want to go with 285/70 or 285/75.

These are 275s on my truck.

 

[Bumbo]

Very good points. To answer your question. I’d call myself a “weekend warrior”. Probably head off road 10 times a summer. In the fall or winter months, maybe I’ll go every two to three weeks. Probably won’t but would love to. I really stick to forest service roads and moderately challenging trails. This will not see heavy off roading.


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I think the KO2 is a good tire, but after going to an MT I won’t go back for off-road. The only advise I can give about the KO2 is stay away from an E load range unless you really are hardcore into rocks.

 

[07V8]

I think the KO2 is a good tire, but after going to an MT I won’t go back for off-road. The only advise I can give about the KO2 is stay away from an E load range unless you really are hardcore into rocks.

Why? My E load KO2s ride great.

 

[Bumbo]

+1

I am thinking of doing this for my next tire. I like that it keeps the weight down and you can get them in a 32" 255/75R17.

That is what I am running…
255/75/17
32.1" C Load (6 Ply)

Awesome tire and easy to find size. All of mine came off a Jeep who wanted to upgrade size, and I got them for a really good price so I stocked up. I have 3 spares so I really don’t give two hoots about my tires when thrashing on them off-road. My tire warranty is more tires. With another set of FJ rims and 7 tires it was still cheaper than a set of KO2s at discount tire.

 

[Bumbo]

Why? My E load KO2s ride great.

I had 3 set of rims and tires at one point in time and my least favorite tire was the KO2 on the street… until you start swapping on a regular basis you don’t really see how the E load negatively effects the drive. Poor wet traction, extra rotational weight, the tires are so stiff that everything from chatter, impact are all transferred to the shocks instead of soaked up by the tires. It just rides different but over time I started to notice things that my other tires didn’t do. Throwing my LTX MS2 back on made the truck feel more agile, peppier, smoother, and the ride was much improved.

E Load is a commercial truck load range, it’s pretty overkill for our size and weight rig. One tire can support the weight of the entire 4Runner. Many people have expressed the same. The biggest issue is they don’t make some of the most popular sizes in anything other than an E load, so its not like you always have a choice. My friend uses the same tire on his 2500 HD Diesel to tow a 42 foot toy hauler. When you put the weight into perspective it’s pretty significant.

You guys/gals can do what you want but E load on a 4Runner isn’t for me and I am not the only one who shares the same sentiment.

 

[blackoutt]

I agree with the above E load statements. I would try to avoid them if I could but it turns into an availabiliy with sizing issue. On an 07 V8 the jump from stock sizing to 285/70-17 E load Nitto exo grappler was a significant decrease in fuel economy and noticeable stiffness increase. "rides like a truck" however it was still one of the best things I did to the 4runner in terms of increasing capability over the at/highway tires that were on it. I have since gone to an even more agressive cooper stt pro in 295/70-17 E load as well. This caused some weird interactions with shifting that I'm not a fan of. I guess next is decide if I want to regear or drop back to smaller diameter, maybe some skinnies in non e load would help?

 

[scottblink23]

I went from 265 to the 255 "skinnies". I completely regretted that decision - they look whimpy even with Spidertrax. I now run 285 / 75 / 16

Go with 285 - they look better and while you will take a hit on MPG and acceleration, it's a 4runner, not a Prius or Corvette

 

[Bumbo]

“Looked wimpy” Looks have nothing to do with it, I only care about how it works. I also don’t shop for speakers because they match my room decor, I only care about how they sound.

The only time I have found a fatter tire to be more desirable is for sand driving… they provide more flotation, but its also harder to keep the revs and momentum up.

Plenty of experienced people who live their lives on the trail favor a 255. Really at the end of the day, most people are better off sticking to as close to the size as possible with a 265 (275 or 255).

Application matters. Which is why my first question to the OP was “how do you use the truck”… The OP is an ideal candidate for something like a Cooper Discoverer AT3, but it probably doesn’t look aggressive enough… nevermind that it’s often times the perfect tire for a weekend warrior who uses to truck as a daily driver.