This close to buying a 3rd Gen Anthracite 4x4 Limited - 104K miles

CWebb

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I came across what looked like to be a SUPER clean Anthracite 4runner (98) Limited 4x4. Even in person it wowed with only 104K miles. Got to talking to the owner and learned that he replaced the front bumper and headlights. Didn't appear the airbags went off and it has the original fenders and hood with no damage. Unfortunately, he mentioned getting it at Auction in AR and this state is notorious for being able to wash salvage titles, (title was showing as clean) but my instincts were right and it was in fact a total loss in 2011 which is another reason why the miles were so low. Here are some pictures though, for enjoyment. I was actually still going to try and buy it but the guy wanted way too much even after I showed him the carfax with total loss history. Again, since it was totalled in 2011, it doesn't take much damage to total out a car which is obvious in this case with the original fenders and hood still being in place for a front end collision. No radiator damage even, but there was shaking at 60 mph and although it could be a wheel alignment, it could also be a result of the collision. Under 60 it drover perfect though, would be a great winter car if I could have worked him down more - but he is trying to pull a fast one over someone.










 
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asking 8700, wouldn't go any lower than that. It's what is listed in the Craigslist add and even after I ran the carfax and showed him it was involved in a total loss and the title was essentially washed, he still wasn't willing to come down any more than that. He knew, because he had already admitted to buying it at an auction from AR so he was playing dumb when he said it was not salvage.

Again, easy to total old cars but my main concern was that he said alignment was just done and still hard shaking/vibrating that started at 60MPH + that may never be able to fix.
 
It looks great, but I would have walked too.

Aside from the concerns you already listed, you're going to have to deal with that salvage history when it comes time to sell it. That's all well and good if you get the lost value factored in on the front end, but at his asking price you were going to be in a tough spot if you were in a pinch and needed to unload it. :sad:
 
It looks great, but I would have walked too.

Aside from the concerns you already listed, you're going to have to deal with that salvage history when it comes time to sell it. That's all well and good if you get the lost value factored in on the front end, but at his asking price you were going to be in a tough spot if you were in a pinch and needed to unload it. :sad:

Well said.
 
That's my favorite color for the 4Runner by far. I've only seen one, and I want it every time I see it around town.

Too bad this one is sketchy...
 
Hah, this is pretty funny because I remember seeing the ad for this truck a couple weeks ago. As soon as I saw the aftermarket grill, I knew something was fishy about it. Your post just confirmed my suspicions!

Are you only looking for 4runners in the 100Kish range? I wouldn't hesitate to buy one with 200K, as long as it has been serviced.
 
wow... that's a clean runner...It's a shame about the carfax. Did the carfax backup the mileage claim? That's not very many miles for a car that was driven for 14 years before being totaled. Although it certainly is clean enough.
I love that color combo it's sharp. I don't know if I have ever actually seen one that color in person.

If I checked it out thoroughly and found it to be sound, the washed title wouldn't bother me too much. It's really just a technicality. Besides, If you plan to keep it forever, what difference would it make? I'm sure there have been other cars banged up much worse and not totaled. It really all boils down to the actual condition of the vehicle.

That is a big bag of money though...I got my 99 SR5 for 4k cash it had almost 150k on the clock but was in immaculate shape...

BTW...you can't trust those timing belt stickers...unscrupulous dealers know that most unknowing types will ask about the timing belt. so they will fake the sticker showing the belts been done. I would need to see an actual receipt for the work, or inspect the belt myself.

I personally wouldn't pay that much for that truck. Having said that, I'm sure somebody will...

Man, It does look astoundingly clean...
 
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That wrong-color molding between the flares and fenders they used to fix the front end, really detracts from the overall look.
 
$8700 for a salvage title 4Runner.

Is it even the same engine, did you check the vin #s around the car?

It clearly was put back together on the cheap because it doesn't look original.

I'd think it to be with like $3500 given the bad title. It is a salvage after all.
 
$8700 for a salvage title 4Runner.

I'd think it to be with like $3500 given the bad title. It is a salvage after all.

State of Georgia it'd be worth even less than $3500, you couldn't get it titled even without ponying up extra cash to a certified inspector/repair shop. Then there's still no guarantee that they would pass it as 'Rebuilt.' Good that you walked away, screw the headache. Only a nutter would drop $8700 on this thing. For that kind of cash you can bump up to 99-02 territory with some very nice features so why not go that route? I had a 98 and loved it but would not trade for my 00. Save yourself the headache that McFinnigan had with his Odometer Fraud 2.0 thread.
 
State of Georgia it'd be worth even less than $3500, you couldn't get it titled even without ponying up extra cash to a certified inspector/repair shop. Then there's still no guarantee that they would pass it as 'Rebuilt.' Good that you walked away, screw the headache.

This one has had the title "cleaned" so I doubt you'd run into any issues getting it tagged. Technically it doesn't have a salvage title anymore. It only shows up on the Carfax and it's not likely they'd dig that deep into it.

Not that I'm suggesting he buy it though.....
 
This one has had the title "cleaned" so I doubt you'd run into any issues getting it tagged. Technically it doesn't have a salvage title anymore. It only shows up on the Carfax and it's not likely they'd dig that deep into it.

Not that I'm suggesting he buy it though.....

Well pointed out!
 
Hah, this is pretty funny because I remember seeing the ad for this truck a couple weeks ago. As soon as I saw the aftermarket grill, I knew something was fishy about it. Your post just confirmed my suspicions!

Are you only looking for 4runners in the 100Kish range? I wouldn't hesitate to buy one with 200K, as long as it has been serviced.

Yeah, that is what I thought too but wanted to see in person since I just LOVE Anthracite - Supra owner here and wish I could get an Anthracite supra, too. One day. Black for now.

I looked at stuff up to 200K. There was a 2002 sport Thunder cloud in Overland Park with 167K and I put a deposit on it sight unseen as it was a one owner and was headed to go get it and they called saying they sold it to someone else. I was SO mad, I would've paid more, too. It was listed for $7100. Then another 02 Sport Thunder Cloud popped up in Lenexa and I called on it, had 178K and it was sold within minutes. I even have alerts set up. Anyways, you can check out my crazy story on trying to buy a 4runner for the past few months here. Ended up getting a 15" Trail Premium. Supposed to come in today.

wow... that's a clean runner...It's a shame about the carfax. Did the carfax backup the mileage claim? That's not very many miles for a car that was driven for 14 years before being totaled. Although it certainly is clean enough.
I love that color combo it's sharp. I don't know if I have ever actually seen one that color in person.

If I checked it out thoroughly and found it to be sound, the washed title wouldn't bother me too much. It's really just a technicality. Besides, If you plan to keep it forever, what difference would it make? I'm sure there have been other cars banged up much worse and not totaled. It really all boils down to the actual condition of the vehicle.

That is a big bag of money though...I got my 99 SR5 for 4k cash it had almost 150k on the clock but was in immaculate shape...

BTW...you can't trust those timing belt stickers...unscrupulous dealers know that most unknowing types will ask about the timing belt. so they will fake the sticker showing the belts been done. I would need to see an actual receipt for the work, or inspect the belt myself.

I personally wouldn't pay that much for that truck. Having said that, I'm sure somebody will...

Man, It does look astoundingly clean...

It was super clean, you could tell it was a low mileage. The Carfax did support the miles, too. It basically sat for a while after it was totalled at 80K range. I was still willing to buy it since I explained earlier that it was totalled in 2011 so it wouldn't take as much damage to total it. Insurance just reviews the estimate of repairs vs the cost of the vehicle and usually around the 70% mark total it out. So it's VERY likely this did not have frame damage and from my review it didn't. The fenders and hood were the original VIN and they were not damaged so it's clear that the front impact was to the bumper and headlights. My main concern was the vibration over 60MPH since even a knock can mess up alignment and never repair 100%. But, he was unwilling to budge on the price so that was a no go. Sadly, he will dupe someone because the title is clean in Missouri as long as they don't check carfax.


$8700 for a salvage title 4Runner.

Is it even the same engine, did you check the vin #s around the car?

It clearly was put back together on the cheap because it doesn't look original.

I'd think it to be with like $3500 given the bad title. It is a salvage after all.

yes, same engine but could potentially be a new radiator. VIN was all around even the front fenders and hood, which leads me to again believe that the front impact wasn't extreme, it was totalled because of the value vs repair in 2011. It's an 11 year old car at this point so it won't take extreme damage. But, not knowing where it was repaired and what exactly was wrong with it is scary. Tried to get him to come down to 4K and he wouldn't take less than 8K. So yeah, no go right there.


This one has had the title "cleaned" so I doubt you'd run into any issues getting it tagged. Technically it doesn't have a salvage title anymore. It only shows up on the Carfax and it's not likely they'd dig that deep into it.

Not that I'm suggesting he buy it though.....

Yes, because the title is clean it will not be an issue registering it/tagging it. Arkansas is notorious for washed titles. I actually ran into the same thing on an 04 I tried to buy last month in Missouri. Gotta be careful. It sucks, all states are different laws and there are ways to take a salvage vehicle and retitle it clean in another state.

It's so pretty though... :/

My concern wasn't titling it, or that it was salvage really considering the info I have presented. BUT the fact he wouldn't come down on the price is what I walked away from. I could easily drive this thing for years and not worry about resale if the price was right regardless of the salvage history on Carfax. Now, if it was totalled earlier in it's life then I'm more concerned because that means more severe damage.
 
Why don't you take it to a body shop and get their opinion on the damage.

It is a tough decision but if you want to sell it a bit down the road that bad title (history) will be an issue.
 
Why don't you take it to a body shop and get their opinion on the damage.

It is a tough decision but if you want to s

I would've if he was willing to budge on price, but he wasn't so I didn't bother. He knows he can sell it for that eventually to someone who won't check.
 

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