Thump / clunk drive shaft issue

Driveshaft Thump Fixed

I greased my driveshaft and it seems to have fixed the thump.

I used Amsoil Polymeric Synthetic Off Road Grease. It's a calcium-sulfonate complex grease which are compatible with most other greases (likely what's in there is lithium or lithium complex) so it shouldn't turn whatever is in there into play dough. It's a synthetic grease and has 5% molybdenum disulfide content (which is high) and temp range of -23c to 177c (-10 to 350f). Having moly as well as regular multi-purpose grease on hand requires two grease guns, but it's a small investment to fix this problem.

Moly grease is specified by Toyota for the slip joint, although a lot of people just use whatever they have on hand - normally some lithium complex like Mobil 1. Toyota technicians are known to admit to using whatever multi-purpose is in the grease gun in the shop - which normally isn't a moly grease since it's normally not used on roller bearings.

I suspect that some of the cases of driveshaft thump are due to incorrect type of grease. Some trucks wont have any troubles with a plain red grease., but moly is intended for sliding surfaces like the slip joint and provides very good lubrication.

I suspect that some cases of driveshaft thump are due to inadequate greasing. There's a misconception that over greasing this joint can cause damage to transfer case and/or differential bearings. There isn't a single case anywhere that anyone can cite where greasing a driveshaft put excess pressure on the drive line causing failure.

What is certain is that the thump that I hear inside the truck and causes the whole vehicle to bounce slightly (because the drive shaft is binding and preventing the rear suspension from compressing) is putting extreme pressure on the entire drive line in a manner not intended by it's design. This surely could cause damage, although despite all the cases of thump, I haven't really read anything about engine mounts, T-case or diff bearings failing.

It's true that the driveshaft will extend as you grease it, and will keep extending until there's no room left and the excess grease escapes through the joint - which is exactly what the FSM tells you to do. Every vehicle I've ever owned with a slip joint has been the same: grease until the old, dried out and contaminated grease is squeezed out of the joint.

I'm the second owner and I doubt the previous owner did any greasing at all. Who knows how much was added over the years, or if the factory fill was very much.

It took about 80 shots of grease from the gun until some began to squeeze out of the joint. I cleaned off the joint with some WD-40 first, and as I added grease, bubbles were visible around the seal as air was pushed out. I put about 30 more shots into it until the old, dirty grease was pushed out and the new grease was visible. With each shot of grease, the shaft extended slightly and as the pressure escaped, it contracted slightly. Once the clean stuff started to flow, it got easier to put more in. The old grease was very thick and dirty - likely why the slip joint was binding.

5 or 10 shots of grease likely isn't going to do much if that's all you put in every 10k miles. You want to see clean stuff escaping - think if it like an oil change.

My driveshaft looked like this, except much more grease escaping:
driveshaft-for-mud-jpg.441054


AMSOIL Synthetic Polymeric Off-Road Grease, NLGI #2
 
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did mine today with whatever lithium grease my buddy had in his grease gun. i only got the clunk once every few days, but i hope this fixes it.
 
did mine today with whatever lithium grease my buddy had in his grease gun. i only got the clunk once every few days, but i hope this fixes it.
in the week since i did mine, it has noticeably gotten better. i've felt it twice since and each time it is less clunk/thunky. hopefully it gets better as time goes on. would it be smart to grease it again in a few weeks or is there such thing as too much?
 
I greased my driveshaft and it seems to have fixed the thump.

I used Amsoil Polymeric Synthetic Off Road Grease. It's a calcium-sulfonate complex grease which are compatible with most other greases (likely what's in there is lithium or lithium complex) so it shouldn't turn whatever is in there into play dough. It's a synthetic grease and has 5% molybdenum disulfide content (which is high) and temp range of -23c to 177c (-10 to 350f). Having moly as well as regular multi-purpose grease on hand requires two grease guns, but it's a small investment to fix this problem.

Moly grease is specified by Toyota for the slip joint, although a lot of people just use whatever they have on hand - normally some lithium complex like Mobil 1. Toyota technicians are known to admit to using whatever multi-purpose is in the grease gun in the shop - which normally isn't a moly grease since it's normally not used on roller bearings.

I suspect that some of the cases of driveshaft thump are due to incorrect type of grease. Some trucks wont have any troubles with a plain red grease., but moly is intended for sliding surfaces like the slip joint and provides very good lubrication.

I suspect that some cases of driveshaft thump are due to inadequate greasing. There's a misconception that over greasing this joint can cause damage to transfer case and/or differential bearings. There isn't a single case anywhere that anyone can cite where greasing a driveshaft put excess pressure on the drive line causing failure.

What is certain is that the thump that I hear inside the truck and causes the whole vehicle to bounce slightly (because the drive shaft is binding and preventing the rear suspension from compressing) is putting extreme pressure on the entire drive line in a manner not intended by it's design. This surely could cause damage, although despite all the cases of thump, I haven't really read anything about engine mounts, T-case or diff bearings failing.

It's true that the driveshaft will extend as you grease it, and will keep extending until there's no room left and the excess grease escapes through the joint - which is exactly what the FSM tells you to do. Every vehicle I've ever owned with a slip joint has been the same: grease until the old, dried out and contaminated grease is squeezed out of the joint.

I'm the second owner and I doubt the previous owner did any greasing at all. Who knows how much was added over the years, or if the factory fill was very much.

It took about 80 shots of grease from the gun until some began to squeeze out of the joint. I cleaned off the joint with some WD-40 first, and as I added grease, bubbles were visible around the seal as air was pushed out. I put about 30 more shots into it until the old, dirty grease was pushed out and the new grease was visible. With each shot of grease, the shaft extended slightly and as the pressure escaped, it contracted slightly. Once the clean stuff started to flow, it got easier to put more in. The old grease was very thick and dirty - likely why the slip joint was binding.

5 or 10 shots of grease likely isn't going to do much if that's all you put in every 10k miles. You want to see clean stuff escaping - think if it like an oil change.

My driveshaft looked like this, except much more grease escaping:
driveshaft-for-mud-jpg.441054


AMSOIL Synthetic Polymeric Off-Road Grease, NLGI #2
is the Amsoil grease acceptable to use on all six joints/zerks?
 
bumping this as I had all my zerk fittings greased at the shop today when they had it up on the rack and the issue is completely gone. It was really noticeable on pretty much every stop/start. I'll see how long this lasts.
 
Thump/Clunk still there after installing new drive shaft

Hello Forum,

I hope that you and your families are safe and healthy during these difficult times.

I bought a used 2008 V8 4Runner 2 years ago and experienced the thumping/clunking issue around 1 month after purchase. The thumping would occur when coming to a stop, when accelerating from stop and when accelerating moderately or hard from ~20 mph.

My mechanic would grease the driveshaft during every oil change which would address the issue for only ~100 miles. After reading many posts in this forum, I was confident that replacing the drive shaft would resolve the issue. My mechanic is very knowledgeable about Toyotas but even he was not certain that replacing the drive shaft would solve the problem until I shared with him what I read in this forum.

One week after installing the new Toyota drive rear shaft, (not the Lexus part), I was happy to report that the thumping had gone away, or at least I thought so. While driving to work one morning, I accelerated moderately hard from ~20 mph and felt the thump/clunk again. I went reported the issue to my mechanic and went back to have him tighten the U joint bolts. I also learned that he replaced only the rear drive shaft. I asked if he should have replaced the front drive shaft as well and he responded by saying that he did not think that the front drive shaft had anything to do with the thump/clunk issue. Going by process of elimination, the rear shaft is new, U joints are new, Diff fluid was replaced but the front shaft is old. I'm not a mechanic, but my gut tells me that the front shaft is the culprit.

It has been more than 2 months since I replaced the rear drive shaft but given my state implemented stay at home orders in mid-March, I have driven my car ~300 miles with the new drive shaft. There is no issue when coming to a stop or accelerating from a stop but the issue did present itself again 3 days ago when I accelerated moderately hard from ~20mph.

My mechanic believes that there is some other issue with my transmission, perhaps with the differential. He has found a significant amount of rust (also know issue with this generation 4Runner) which we have covered with 3M rubber coating twice since I bought the vehicle.

I wanted to reach out to this forum and ask if anyone might know what is causing the thump/clunk when accelerating from ~20 mph. Is this a front drive shaft issue, differential or something else in the transmission?

I use my 4Runner as my daily driver and to trailer my race car to the track. I have installed an auxiliary transmission cooler, replaced the timing belt and done a full tune up since purchase. The truck runs beautifully, except for this one annoying issue. I want to address this issue given that I tow a heavy load (race car plus equipment and tools = ~6,000 pounds) 7-10 times per year, sometimes several hundred miles and over significant grades.

Any advice/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
 
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is the Amsoil grease acceptable to use on all six joints/zerks?

Sorry I'm replying to this so long after the question but I think it's good info for the forum.

I use the Amsoil Polymeric on my yoke / prop shaft. Probably any good moly grease would work. Toyota specs moly grease here.

I don't use it on the the U-joints. You probably could without any trouble, but some people will tell you that moly is not ideal for roller or needle bearings like inside u-joints. However, some applications (Fords I believe) spec moly for front roller bearings. Your mileage may vary.

But I use a good synthetic lithium on the u-joints. The means having 2 grease guns.
 
2008 4runner Limited - 2UZ - HAD THUMP - Hydralic shock -
Heated the slip joint with an electric heat gun. Thump was eliminated until the grease cooled.
This symptom is eliminated easily by removing the grease zerk, driving for a few miles - replacing the grease zerk.
 
Be careful with lube in slip joint zerk. It can get overfilled and cleaning it out after impacted with grease would be work.
One or two pumps of grease is all that the slip zerk requires.
If it some how got overfilled, try removing zerk fitting. Then drive over a curb or something to fully compress rear axle. This should push excess grease out the zerk hole. Then reinstall zerk and test drive.
 
try removing zerk fitting. Then drive over a curb or something to fully compress rear axle. This should push excess grease out the zerk hole. Then reinstall zerk and test drive.

When I had my 4WD one, this is basically what I did to try and ensure the grease got where it was needed. (Deliberate overfill and release) The force with which the excess grease came out of the zerk port shows just how much pressure an overfill could create.

The only benefit of my 2WD is no zerks, no slip yokes, and hence no clunks. :D
 

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